Could be a bit of a tactic with Elijah?

Look for a trade and we'll trade you if we get something good, if not let's revisit your situation in a few weeks.

I actually think Charlie is more flakey than Harry.
Charlie has talent to burn and that gets him through most of the time.

Again, I’d prefer to keep them both. Bring in a better game plan which includes better delivery into the forward line and better craft amongst the forwards.

However, I’m ok with trading one of them to a club who will pay overs to fix the hole they perceive. I wouldn’t trade both of them.

I am nervous about the AFL bringing in a drafting rule next year which prevents us getting Walker.
Might need to get HOF’s dad involved…

Agreed. We go straight to court.

They have only just made a change for this year. They haven't even seen how it works yet. It will be much harder to match bids on top players with the accumulation of points from lower picks. They should see how it works and then decide. If they want to make a change in the future make it five years out so that it doesn't affect anyone.

The thing is if it does happen then the northern states will stop their academies and that is where the AFL wants to grow the game. So fingers crossed it stays the same.

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You can have a draft, or you can have club-driven youth pathways. You can’t have both.

If they limit the payoff, clubs will limit the investment. No one is going to invest top end money on the 41st pick in the draft.

Jobs will go. Not just coaching jobs, but administrative jobs. The academies are the only cost-effective way to replenish the talent pool.

It’s a simple fix - with a national reserves competition for development squads aged 16-21yo (i.e. draft year, plus three years). Limit the number of full contracts in the squad & make it a semi-professional contract for the rest.

No priority access unless the player has racked up a certain number of games for the club in that league.

The age limit will force a turnover, otherwise mandate 5-6 get released into the open pool. Create a mid-season window for the 19-21 year olds to be drafted on to primary lists.

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I hate Hardwick, that's all

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my last one was rubbish

Worked for Jack Martin, obviously he missed the start of the 2025 season getting his body right but once playing seniors he's the leading marking forward in the AFL in terms of average per game. his other GI/SI/GA stats are mostly nothing special but his goal accuracy is around the top 20 in AFL. His role at Cats looked more like a wing/cottrrell role to me but certainly providing transition game marks that are important to their ball movement this year, be it D50, b/w the arcs or occasionally drops in a hole in the F50.

Serious question : what are Geelong doing around trades that other clubs are not doing? Are you suggesting any impropriety?

Yeah that one shocked me. Lemmey has been mr consistency in our VFL team — which is a big wrap for a KPF only 21 yo.

Actually in agreement here, first time for everything, LOL! We probably disagree about the causes of why there is such a sense of entitlement in the AFL system and in the world more general today. I'd point firstly to the ever growing cancer of neoliberalism. and that has deep roots as a political project/force going back to the 1950s and even pre-war and interwar periods.

Remember when Matty Allen our ruck man was not sure to re-sign or not? then he came out signed on and said, "Mum reminded me the other day that when I was a kid and a teenager, I would have agreed to play for no money at all." then said words to the effect of 'so I'm not going to try maximise my pay-check when this club has given me so much and I can contribute something back by taking a haircut'.

I'm not pretending that sporting clubs in general and CFC specifically don't foster young players with kid gloves and treat senior players like royalty for very self-interested reasons, but it would be nice if players felt some of that old school loyalty and humility rather than this brash US style "show me the money" caper all the time.

I guess they all bought into the Messiah promise that Voss would deliver us #17.

And when injuries and game style evolution pass us by to some extent made it all come crashing down, maybe the player group became despondent. If Curnow was the leader for the forward group, he wasn't exactly help shape the game plan to their advantage. He was jumping off one leg this season but what was he doing about how we play and how the smalls "get after it"?

I'm impressed with all the young draftees who produced big time in the VFL and transitioned to seniors in half a season. All the mega buck players can flower right off to SOS-land and watch Ross Lion suck the living marrow from their bones as they parade around on mega bucks while their club has no money to maintain all the other mid tier players who get resentful of the massive inequity and Saints (more like Sinners).

I'd take an end of 4th rounder, but I doubt anyone is offering that. You can't have someone like that in a club environment.

I'd suggest that none of us truly know the extent of his wrong doing, mistakes and his sincerity or otherwise, and just his basic life skills in being able to repay the club for the harm he has caused, whatever that might be. Until we know all of those things, and the effect it had on the playing group (which is kind of an intangible at the best of times) how can we make such categoric and condemning judgements on a very young and clearly immature man?

humans and groups of humans love to turn someone into a scape goat and I can't help feeling that there might be some of that going on in the fan base. maybe some of you know factual things that aren't in the public domain and cannot say too much, fair enough if so but I'm not comfortable with us holding judgment when we don't know any of the essential facts and other intangibles around all this. the thing I still don't get was why he was allowed to turn up a suburban club kids clinic with three other players and a coach if he was persona non grata. you don't exactly parade that in front of young kids do you?

But CFC invested a lot of marketing budget in the Lijh and Ollie story so I can understand if there's some major butt hurt if say WADA was involved or something like that. Again I know nothing other than the rumours.

Just for the Record, Elijah is one of very few players at the Club that can Kick. He is a Gun and made a huge difference to our team in 2023.....

What the hell is wrong with this Club? Can't they handle Mental health issues with players? They need to bloody support him and Get him back to his best, not tell him to look elsewhere.... How would his brother feel now?


And the plot gets better & better. Voss's Love story with Papley might finally come true....he is strongly linked to come to the Blues in connection with the Charlie Move!

Papley is past it. His best is behind him. Injuries have cought up with him. He is not going to add anything to our team. He is a Mongrol which is what we do need, but he is not the same player he used to be!

If we're rebuilding thanks to a KPP/quality tall's exodus, how many premiership quality years does Grundy have? I've had the same query myself, but can't see Swans giving him away so soon, especially after letting their fans down after consistent finals appearances for so many years.

Ollie will be fine. His life will be a lot easier when his brother isn't at his workplace creating issues.

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hard to disagree, GreatEx!

grass sure is always greener at princess park, hey?

Imagine us giving up every kids favourite two players for a pick #2 that we get the wrong pick with, which amazingly we did with SOS a few times in a row IIRC, fortunately for us they live at the Aints now.

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Because it's a multi-million dollar business and he's a distraction. How many chances are you going to give him?