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I asked for Zak Butters but Doc got me Jack Buttons (2021 national draft pick #24, AFL games: 0)

Over the past 4 years, Charlie has averaged just under 60 goals per season (58.5). If we've seen his best, I'm more than happy with it.
He had zero pre-season, no warm up games and then had to carry the forward line one-out for the season. Yet he still averaged 11.8 disposals, 6 marks and kicked 32 goals from 18 games. Off a significantly reduced fitness base. Yes Harry is a flake but you don't throw out the bloke who carried our forward line for the season because he struggled to take up Harry's slack.

I think people forget what an athletic freak Charlie is. He's shorter than Patrick Cripps. Yet we expected him this year to beat 2 or 3 key defenders per game who are on average, bigger, heavier and stronger than him.
Get him some support, some midfield talent to deliver the ball and he'll be as good as anyone.
This years Coleman medallist is 32. The bloke who came third is 33. There's no reason we can't get another 5 or 6 years out of Charlie. He's averaged just under 22 games per season the past 4 years so suggesting his body is worn out is unfounded IMO.

I'm interested who we play as a key forward if we ship them both out. Harry Lemmey? The bloke can't get a kick in the VFL.
It's pointless building a strong midfield to watch the ball coming back over their heads faster than it goes in there.
If you want picks, trade the flaky forward. Not the bloke carrying him.
Or ask the captain if he wants to head back to WA.
That's our biggest deficiency. Countering the opposition scoring when we turn it over with an inconsistent, unskilled, unaccountable midfield.

You don't take away a strength to bolster a weakness. You remove the weakness and replace it.

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You would think it wouldn't be good planning by Curnow to want to go to the Swans. You just have to look at their list. They got pumped by Adelaide this year by over 60 on their home deck.

The Swans have been propped up mainly due to their Academy picks. Most of their great players come from the NSW academy - Heeney, Gulden and Blakey.

They have basically an ageing list and traded poorly recently eg. by picking up Taylor Adams. Grundy did well this year, but how much longer has he got?
Grundy debuted in 2012, Mills debuted in 2015, Lloyd 2014, Rampe 2013.

Florent rated below average.
Hayward and Roybottom rated average according to official AFL stats.
Papley is a good player but he's coming to the end of his career as he debuted in 1823, 1517 or whatever as well.


So unless they get a prop up by the AFL with the academy they should not be making the finals next year.

Chad Warner didn't have a great year either...the one who maintained elite standards was Gulden....so really the Swans don't have much on offer unless Gulden was traded, but we don't need more midfielders anyway, we need small forwards & to keep elite forwards.

It doesn't make sense. Keep Curnow in my view.

Agree with Bluevain here.

What made Adelaide so imposing this year in part was their three big marking forwards. That Thilthorpe is great. Would they trade out one of the cogs? No.

You need at least two power big forwards. You don't get rid of Paul McCartney out of the Beatles & replace him with Charlie Watts on the drums. Whose gonna write your songs? Ringo?

Ah, the great TC tradition of rounding ages up or down depending on the point one is trying to make.

H is 27 turning 28 in December
CC is 28 turning 29 in February
EG is 23 turning 24 in July

No 7-year differences to be found here, and we haven't even discussed how KPFs tend to peak later.

I agree with your post in general, but Heeney was their best midfielder by a distance this year. Gulden was brilliant on his return but faded in the last month, which is the kind of post-big injury phasing we've seen with Walsh. I'd also say that a huge part of Sydney's success is the blue collar mids like Rowbottom - best tackler in the league - and Jordan - Cincotta on steroids. But I agree with the key point that Gulden is the treasure. They won't want to give him up but they need to if they want their precious.

I would trade Curnow
Every trade is a risk
Keeping Curnow is a risk
What does Carlton need
We need speed and we need guys who can
Kick the footy with penetration
Campbell and Roberts provide those attributes
Include the Swans pick 9
And their future second rounder
I also really like Buku Khamis would be wrapped to pick him up
Khamis is also a good left foot kick
Khamis Roberts and Campbell all are in their early 20 s and left footers
We can use the pick 9 or the DeKoning pick to get a small forward

So at the start of the season Charlie is 29 and 1 month and Gulden is 23 and 8 months.

The point being do you want five years and maybe 100 games from player A or 10 years and maybe 200 games from player B?

I’d still take Gulden in a heartbeat.

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Fair points. I like how you said "Gulden is the treasure". They will protect that treasure no doubt about it.

One has to be cautious tipping against the Swans based on their record, but I just see an ageing list with 4-5 really great players propping it up. Your point on Rowbottom is fair, but he won't take you to the promised land. There are no high end academy players to come in this year from NSW...it's Gold Coast's turn to be propped up.

Liam Reidy for our Brisbane pick
We need another ruckman
Can’t get a game at Freo
25
Starred in WAFL Grannie last year
25 Victorian boy
Better than Pitto and gives HOK more time to develop either as ruckman or forward

Billy Shears did just fine...

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DocSherrin III - Billy Shears might have done fine...agreed.....yet "I'd like to be under the sea in an Octopus' Garden" isn't exactly the creme de la creme of song writing.

You don't let McCartney go if you want someone to kick the goals...write the songs.

Trade Charlie Curnow for Billy Smedts

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They’d all be great for the VFL side.

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With Paul gone, Billy has been kicking goals. Beatles needed a little help from their friends, and Billy filled the gap

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I’ve read the thread, and come back to your corner G E. Agree with all your posts.

Can’t take Doc serious as a clone of Nostradamus. No way can anyone predict who will be standing this time next year. Just as easy to say our KPs will be the main reason we win the flag.

Upside a plenty.

No need for a rebuild.

New players next year include, Newman, Smith, Charlie, Walsh, Harry, Cottrell, OKeefe for a start.

We lose Harry OFarrell, SOS and TDK.

We will trade in a surprise to bolster our midfield group.

We are in it right up to our necks. Just need a bit of luck with injuries.

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Bondi. A surprise mid you say. Any clues on this. We sure need one that can run.

Tom Morris
@tommorris32
Charlie Curnow had his exit meeting at @CarltonFC
today. He raised the prospect of a trade but it was immediately shut down.

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