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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2025 9:24 pm 
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at first, its confronting to think Silvagni wont be with the club.

but if the offer is true ... 600k for 4 years ... and its not enough ... then thanks for your efforts Jack (as painful as it is)

if we where getting 20+ games a year from him, then id be more than happy to pay more, but if we can only get half a season (or less) out of him every year, then no thanks. we need to stop paying players that cant consistently remain on the park ... it just has to stop.

3/4 of the season is a minimum pass (18 games) ... that stance to be applied to any player that is consistently injured (i.e. williams, mcgovern etc..)

** allowances made for freak injuries i.e. Jagga Smith


Music to my ears.

I would love for SOS to choose Carlton over Pies.
But if it has come to this, his choice, he can go.

I don't think he will, unless he wants to break the Platinum Family Chain.
I reckon he's got more chance winning a flag at Carlton than he does post 2026; the bubble will burst imo.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2025 9:43 pm 
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Kind of ironic if he's leaving us to go to a team with a better chance of winning a flag than us. Given his dad's inability to draft midfielders is why we are where we are

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Any way you look at it, it's SOS's fault.


Its Flag or bust this year for the Pies imo.

I reckon SOS will regret moving.
If his body fails him at the Pies, and they retire 3-4 next 2 years.....oh lala

His son may want an AFL footy career in 17 years time. There will be a lot more competition for spots, even if its a 24 team comp. Carlton offers him his best chance of being taken......if his father doesn't break the chain.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2025 9:58 pm 
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This has got his father’s fingerprints all over it.

The romance of the father-son connection dies when everyone hates the father.

I’m not saying he’s blameless, but if it were me, there’s only so much that I’d be able to take before pulling the pin.

In a joint like ours, where the finger pointing gets out of hand… seems inevitable, really.


Good point.

I can't forget or forgive that Carlton clown screaming at Jack in the race after a horrible loss "you are a disgrace to your family".
And young Jack was required to keep playing on one leg and trying his guts out.

That resonates with me. Jack signed with us since then.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 9:45 am 
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Ashton Moir signs for 2 more years. Well done, it looked for a while there like he was going to throw his opportunity away.

Now he needs to keep up the hard work.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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McRae also confirms he’s met with Jack Silvagni. Said the meeting went well.

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 Post subject: List Management 2025
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Is it weird this is all a)occurring while the season is still going and b)so publicised?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:27 pm 
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if jack does leave and we get a compo pick ,this is 1 selection we MUST get correct ,i want 10/12 yr player with this selection Dont stuffed it Austin and Co ( if u are still employed )


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:46 pm 
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jpulice1969 wrote:
if jack does leave and we get a compo pick ,this is 1 selection we MUST get correct ,i want 10/12 yr player with this selection Dont stuffed it Austin and Co ( if u are still employed )

His compensation pick will likely go towards trying to get enough points for Harry Dean together with the Lions 2nd rounder we currently have and any other points from fringe players we might trade e.g Acres.
I suspect we will get rid of the DeKoning compensation before draft night in case a club puts in an early bid on Dean. We could trade the DeKoning pick for an established player or for a pick in next years draft. I believe that the Gold Coast will struggle to obtain all their academy players this year so they might be willing to pay a good price for our TDK compo.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:19 pm 
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Couldn’t care less if Jsos leaves

Club has stood by him for a number of years. Through poor form and numerous injuries

Considering his output, the club’s offer is fair and he has decided to string the club along

He has also shown disloyalty by speaking to an opposition coach during the season

The club needs to get ruthless and start focussing on players who want to be here

Might be the beginning of a new era where the club finally decides to enter the 21st century


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 5:35 pm 
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Ideally, package the two compo picks (TDK and JSOS) for GC's first two picks that they need to get rid of (currently 8 and 11).

I don't think the bid is going to be that high on Dean that Hawthorn's second, and whatever eventuates for Acres wouldn't be sufficient.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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EXCLUSIVE

Second rival club joins the race for Silvagni

Peter Ryan and Michael Gleeson
July 30, 2025 — 5.34pm

The Western Bulldogs have emerged as a potential suitor for Carlton’s Jack Silvagni as a solution to their defensive woes.

The unrestricted free agent, who has carried the famous Silvagni name in 128 matches with the Blues, has already met with the coach of arch-rival Collingwood, Craig McRae, about a potential move to the Magpies.

The Bulldogs’ interest arose as it emerged Silvagni may not continue his c

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 7:17 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Silvagni may not continue his c


He's not the only one!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 7:25 pm 
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Really concerned about this list management period.

At this point we *need* an upgrade on at least one small forward - best available is probably....Malcolm Rosas. Upgrade on Evans done. But is there anyone better than what we have in Motlop/Durdin/Fantasia? Probably not.

Similar situation with the TDK replacement. Not a huge Ned Reeves fan, and isn't that much of a point of difference to what Pitto offers. Given the alternative is paying overs for 29 year old Rowan Marshall, I'd rather just stick with Reeves (while probably using Lewis Young as the second ruck while Pitto fit)

Tom De Koning (Leaving)
Jack Silvagni (Leaving)
Sam Docherty (Retired)
Francis Evans (Delisted)
Rob Monahan (Delisted)
Billy Wilson (Delisted)
Orazio Fantasia (Delisted)
Jordan Boyd (Traded out)
Blake Acres (Traded out)
Sam Walsh (Traded out)

Malcolm Rosas or better small forward (traded in)
Ned Reeves or better ruckman (traded in)

Current-Year Draft Picks:

Pick 8 (from Gold Coast - TDK comp) - Best available midfielder
Pick 11 (from Gold Coast) - Best available small forward
Pick 15 (from Geelong - Walsh trade) - Best available
Pick 33 (from Geelong - Walsh trade)/Pick 34 (Carlton's own 2nd rounder from Brisbane) - Harry Dean
Pick 61 (Carlton's own 4th rounder) - Speculative tall

One list spot saved for SSP and MSD each.

Best 22:
FB: Nic Newman - Jacob Weitering - Brodie Kemp
HB: Lachie Cowan - Harry O'Farrell - Olly Hollands
C: Matt Carroll - Patrick Cripps (C) - George Hewett
HF: Elijah Hollands - Charlie Curnow - Matthew Cottrell
F: Lachie Fogarty - Harry McKay - Zac Williams
R: Marc Pittonet Jagga Smith Adam Cerra
Interchange:
Mitch McGovern Nick Haynes Lewis Young Adam Saad
Substitute: Alex Cincotta


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 7:42 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Effes wrote:
Silvagni may not continue his c


He's not the only one!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 7:49 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Really concerned about this list management period.

At this point we *need* an upgrade on at least one small forward - best available is probably....Malcolm Rosas. Upgrade on Evans done. But is there anyone better than what we have in Motlop/Durdin/Fantasia? Probably not.

Similar situation with the TDK replacement. Not a huge Ned Reeves fan, and isn't that much of a point of difference to what Pitto offers. Given the alternative is paying overs for 29 year old Rowan Marshall, I'd rather just stick with Reeves (while probably using Lewis Young as the second ruck while Pitto fit)

Tom De Koning (Leaving)
Jack Silvagni (Leaving)
Sam Docherty (Retired)
Francis Evans (Delisted)
Rob Monahan (Delisted)
Billy Wilson (Delisted)
Orazio Fantasia (Delisted)
Jordan Boyd (Traded out)
Blake Acres (Traded out)
Sam Walsh (Traded out)

Malcolm Rosas or better small forward (traded in)
Ned Reeves or better ruckman (traded in)

Current-Year Draft Picks:

Pick 8 (from Gold Coast - TDK comp) - Best available midfielder
Pick 11 (from Gold Coast) - Best available small forward
Pick 15 (from Geelong - Walsh trade) - Best available
Pick 33 (from Geelong - Walsh trade)/Pick 34 (Carlton's own 2nd rounder from Brisbane) - Harry Dean
Pick 61 (Carlton's own 4th rounder) - Speculative tall

One list spot saved for SSP and MSD each.

Best 22:
FB: Nic Newman - Jacob Weitering - Brodie Kemp
HB: Lachie Cowan - Harry O'Farrell - Olly Hollands
C: Matt Carroll - Patrick Cripps (C) - George Hewett
HF: Elijah Hollands - Charlie Curnow - Matthew Cottrell
F: Lachie Fogarty - Harry McKay - Zac Williams
R: Marc Pittonet Jagga Smith Adam Cerra
Interchange:
Mitch McGovern Nick Haynes Lewis Young Adam Saad
Substitute: Alex Cincotta



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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 8:37 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:

Tom De Koning (Leaving)
Jack Silvagni (Leaving)
Sam Docherty (Retired)
Francis Evans (Delisted)
Rob Monahan (Delisted)
Billy Wilson (Delisted)
Orazio Fantasia (Delisted)
Jordan Boyd (Traded out)
Blake Acres (Traded out)
Sam Walsh (Traded out)

Malcolm Rosas or better small forward (traded in)
Ned Reeves or better ruckman (traded in)

Current-Year Draft Picks:

Pick 8 (from Gold Coast - TDK comp) - Best available midfielder
Pick 11 (from Gold Coast) - Best available small forward
Pick 15 (from Geelong - Walsh trade) - Best available
Pick 33 (from Geelong - Walsh trade)/Pick 34 (Carlton's own 2nd rounder from Brisbane) - Harry Dean
Pick 61 (Carlton's own 4th rounder) - Speculative tall


Is this a 4D chess move to deny West Coast a spoon and thus prevent them getting priority pricks? Because losing 8 experienced players - including 5 from the 24-27 age range where we are so thin - and bringing in two is an absolute guarantee that we'll be adding to our 21st century collection.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 8:42 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Really concerned about this list management period.

At this point we *need* an upgrade on at least one small forward - best available is probably....Malcolm Rosas. Upgrade on Evans done. But is there anyone better than what we have in Motlop/Durdin/Fantasia? Probably not.

Similar situation with the TDK replacement. Not a huge Ned Reeves fan, and isn't that much of a point of difference to what Pitto offers. Given the alternative is paying overs for 29 year old Rowan Marshall, I'd rather just stick with Reeves (while probably using Lewis Young as the second ruck while Pitto fit)

Tom De Koning (Leaving)
Jack Silvagni (Leaving)
Sam Docherty (Retired)
Francis Evans (Delisted)
Rob Monahan (Delisted)
Billy Wilson (Delisted)
Orazio Fantasia (Delisted)
Jordan Boyd (Traded out)
Blake Acres (Traded out)
Sam Walsh (Traded out)

Malcolm Rosas or better small forward (traded in)
Ned Reeves or better ruckman (traded in)

Current-Year Draft Picks:

Pick 8 (from Gold Coast - TDK comp) - Best available midfielder
Pick 11 (from Gold Coast) - Best available small forward
Pick 15 (from Geelong - Walsh trade) - Best available
Pick 33 (from Geelong - Walsh trade)/Pick 34 (Carlton's own 2nd rounder from Brisbane) - Harry Dean
Pick 61 (Carlton's own 4th rounder) - Speculative tall

One list spot saved for SSP and MSD each.

Best 22:
FB: Nic Newman - Jacob Weitering - Brodie Kemp
HB: Lachie Cowan - Harry O'Farrell - Olly Hollands
C: Matt Carroll - Patrick Cripps (C) - George Hewett
HF: Elijah Hollands - Charlie Curnow - Matthew Cottrell
F: Lachie Fogarty - Harry McKay - Zac Williams
R: Marc Pittonet Jagga Smith Adam Cerra
Interchange:
Mitch McGovern Nick Haynes Lewis Young Adam Saad
Substitute: Alex Cincotta


I doubt Saad and E Hollands will be on the list next year.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 8:47 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:

Tom De Koning (Leaving)
Jack Silvagni (Leaving)
Sam Docherty (Retired)
Francis Evans (Delisted)
Rob Monahan (Delisted)
Billy Wilson (Delisted)
Orazio Fantasia (Delisted)
Jordan Boyd (Traded out)
Blake Acres (Traded out)
Sam Walsh (Traded out)

Malcolm Rosas or better small forward (traded in)
Ned Reeves or better ruckman (traded in)

Current-Year Draft Picks:

Pick 8 (from Gold Coast - TDK comp) - Best available midfielder
Pick 11 (from Gold Coast) - Best available small forward
Pick 15 (from Geelong - Walsh trade) - Best available
Pick 33 (from Geelong - Walsh trade)/Pick 34 (Carlton's own 2nd rounder from Brisbane) - Harry Dean
Pick 61 (Carlton's own 4th rounder) - Speculative tall


Is this a 4D chess move to deny West Coast a spoon and thus prevent them getting priority pricks? Because losing 8 experienced players - including 5 from the 24-27 age range where we are so thin - and bringing in two is an absolute guarantee that we'll be adding to our 21st century collection.

Not to mention, this is the wrong draft to do the above with.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 8:57 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:

Tom De Koning (Leaving)
Jack Silvagni (Leaving)
Sam Docherty (Retired)
Francis Evans (Delisted)
Rob Monahan (Delisted)
Billy Wilson (Delisted)
Orazio Fantasia (Delisted)
Jordan Boyd (Traded out)
Blake Acres (Traded out)
Sam Walsh (Traded out)

Malcolm Rosas or better small forward (traded in)
Ned Reeves or better ruckman (traded in)

Current-Year Draft Picks:

Pick 8 (from Gold Coast - TDK comp) - Best available midfielder
Pick 11 (from Gold Coast) - Best available small forward
Pick 15 (from Geelong - Walsh trade) - Best available
Pick 33 (from Geelong - Walsh trade)/Pick 34 (Carlton's own 2nd rounder from Brisbane) - Harry Dean
Pick 61 (Carlton's own 4th rounder) - Speculative tall


Is this a 4D chess move to deny West Coast a spoon and thus prevent them getting priority pricks? Because losing 8 experienced players - including 5 from the 24-27 age range where we are so thin - and bringing in two is an absolute guarantee that we'll be adding to our 21st century collection.


They'll play anyone ahead of Boyd at the moment. Attracting another free agent in for......demographics reasons would only dilute compensation for JSOS/TDK. Walsh appears gone. If we're winning a spoon next year (and I suspect Melbourne will bottom out further than we will) - Frankie Evans isn't moving the needle one way or another.

We could probably cut deeper in or around that demographic - Saad, Binns, Durdin, Kemp, McGovern, Cincota, Williams, Motlop, Kemp, Young all probably fortunate, but again - there's not much better, and I'm not entirely crazy about the idea of fully committing to a perceived poor quality draft.

Looking at the list of out of contract players - there's not much on offer. Dylan Shiel would be an incredibly funny pick up if he was on the cheap, but addresses our pace issues. I like Lachie Murphy but is he better than the other journeyman small forwards? I doubt Pedlar wants out - but he'd be handy. If Saad does pull the pin - Brodie Smith for a year would probably address our total lack of decent kicks on the list.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2025 9:01 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Not to mention, this is the wrong draft to do the above with.


Generally I tend to agree. It's a poor quality draft - but other than for reasons above, if Walker goes top 3, obtaining any future picks in this trade period would just be eaten up by points required.

It's the best of some shitty options available (other than finding another free agent that dilutes our TDK/JSOS compo)


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