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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 1:58 pm 
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keogh wrote:
All the players happy smiling in the rooms
After losing by 4 goals and never looked like it
What a great club



Gen y

They are missing something.

Nothing to do with the club.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 2:15 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:

But what I do see is:

1) Not enough movement ahead of the ball providing options or clearing space for others BIG TICK
2) More often than not, our forward line seems very clogged (and static). More often than not, our opponents forward line seems very open (and dynamic). THIS IS THE ONE THAT CONFOUNDS ME THE MOST! BIGGER TICK
3) More often than not, we bomb it into the forward line often a shallow entry even when there are overlap players available who could direct it deeper and to a leading player. (Sometimes, there are just no dynamic options ahead of the ball so the kicker just has to bomb it). REGULAR TICK
4) It seems like our preferred clearance approach is to bomb it fast if we get the ball from clearance. Whereas, Hawthorn preferred to look for a close handball out of the stoppage to start a running chain or enable a more directed kick forward. It’s as if Sam Mitchell says they can kick straight from stoppage but only if they are able to eyeball a clear or leading player. Whereas we just get ball, kick ball without looking. HUGE TICK
5) Too often, our kicks and handballs miss their targets. Or we train to deliver the ball to where the player was rather than where they’re going. Included in this point are the handballs that go to the targets’ ankles or kicks that reach their target on the half volley… infuriating! MY TICKET
6) Too often, we don’t seem to stick effective tackles or continue to apply pressure once an opponent gets past us. To be fair, I think this is a more recent development where earlier in the year I think our pressure was much better. Maybe players have checked out (which is not a great excuse and another poor indicator but I guess if a player is prepared to check out now, they must be prepared to wear the consequences when we go through the list post-season).
7) We are WAY too mild mannered. Still. Whether it’s joking around after we get smashed or not doing much of the little annoying unsociable things other hungrier teams do. FULLY SICK TICK

I understand that times have changed but this team doesn’t play the way Voss played and it doesn’t seem like Voss is as uncompromising as a coach as he was as a player (hopefully he is behind closed doors but it’s not coming out on game day). I CAN TICK THIS.

It was interesting to hear Voss call out amongst our deficiencies that we kick it down the line too much. So that is obviously not his preferred way for us to move the ball. THIS TICKS ME OFF
So, why do we do it so much? The answer to this question could be the key to addressing a lot of our on-field problems. Hopefully, GW knows the answer and we will see his response in the coming weeks or months.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 2:20 pm 
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Hawks were too quick for us bewteen the arches.

Felt like it was men vs boys. They were also strong and were keen on the hurt factor. I can't believe how our boys dont return the favour. Whimps.

I can't believe that some of the uncompromising attributes Voss brought to the Lions, hasn't translated at all at Carlton.

9 kids under 23. Durdin the 23yo, Motlop the 22yo. Too young to expect more than a 19yo and 20yo can offer at this level.

Bombing it blindly instead of taking a lateral option to a team mate is plain dumb/ selfish/ lacking poise/ lacking composure.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 2:46 pm 
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White is better than Motlop now
Better kick quicker and footy iq


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 3:55 pm 
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as predicted game over in 10 mins i dont care about all the other bullshit stats ,Any team that has quick ball movement we are in trouble been happening for 2 years, Austin recruiting has alot to answer for .


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 4:21 pm 
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Speed of ball movement isn’t just about running fast. It’s about correct setup at stoppages with players not committing to far inside, it’s about overlap run and carry and utilising the handball execution and it’s about spreading the field to allow the kick to a lead or open space. None of which we either execute or are coached to execute.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 4:37 pm 
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I'd be happy to offer Cripps up for trade

and rebuild leadership and midfield with accountability and toughness (oh and some speed).

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 4:53 pm 
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I went along last night to farewell Docherty.
I cannot remember a game with such little atmosphere, it was flat all night.
What an insipid performance for a game that was not only a milestone but saying goodbye to a much loved player.
Very little to be happy about, HOK was good as was White. The goal to Docherty was the only real highlight.
We had a couple of Poms sitting behind us who are here for the rugby tomorrow night, had a chat to them.
Not much else.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 4:57 pm 
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Thought Saad was at his brilliant best Kezza. Surely you can include him as best - for the opposition……


Just when I thought we might be a little tighter back there with one specific person missing, another makes up for 2. This club…


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 6:27 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
I'd be happy to offer Cripps up for trade

and rebuild leadership and midfield with accountability and toughness (oh and some speed).


Whether he stays or goes, please get him to hand in the captaincy, along with Charlie's vice captaincy. We need some real leaders.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 9:05 pm 
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Hawks were hungry in first quarter. Carlton pedestrian. After that game was essentially a snooze fest. Diabolical. Ill give Voss some credit in that they threw to him in the coaches box after 10 minutes and he seemed to already know the game was over.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 9:11 pm 
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Lowey_47 wrote:
Hawks were hungry in first quarter. Carlton pedestrian. After that game was essentially a snooze fest. Diabolical. Ill give Voss some credit in that they threw to him in the coaches box after 10 minutes and he seemed to already know the game was over.

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Mate , if Voss thought the game was over ten minutes into the first quarter then we are in more trouble than the early settlers and they had there share . Ive heard it all now .

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 9:42 pm 
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Correct. We are in more trouble than flash Gordon

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 10:09 pm 
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Lowey_47 wrote:
Correct. We are in more trouble than flash Gordon

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Yeah , but Flash new how to get himself out of the shit Houdini like .

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 10:35 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
I'd be happy to offer Cripps up for trade

and rebuild leadership and midfield with accountability and toughness (oh and some speed).

I’m still too cross with him to make a decision like that.

Will say though, West Coast probably need a captain more than they need a #1 draft pick.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 10:37 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
I'd be happy to offer Cripps up for trade

and rebuild leadership and midfield with accountability and toughness (oh and some speed).

I’m still too cross with him to make a decision like that.

Will say though, West Coast probably need a captain more than they need a #1 draft pick.


So how does Cripps help them?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 12:07 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
Crusader wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
I'd be happy to offer Cripps up for trade

and rebuild leadership and midfield with accountability and toughness (oh and some speed).

I’m still too cross with him to make a decision like that.

Will say though, West Coast probably need a captain more than they need a #1 draft pick.


So how does Cripps help them?


Geez Ex, that's a burn!!!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 10:26 am 
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"Whether he stays or goes, please get him to hand in the captaincy, along with Charlie's vice captaincy. We need some real leaders."[/quote]


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 11:35 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:

But what I do see is:

1) Not enough movement ahead of the ball providing options or clearing space for others BIG TICK
2) More often than not, our forward line seems very clogged (and static). More often than not, our opponents forward line seems very open (and dynamic). THIS IS THE ONE THAT CONFOUNDS ME THE MOST! [color=#40FF00]BIGGER TICK[/color]
3) More often than not, we bomb it into the forward line often a shallow entry even when there are overlap players available who could direct it deeper and to a leading player. (Sometimes, there are just no dynamic options ahead of the ball so the kicker just has to bomb it). REGULAR TICK
4) It seems like our preferred clearance approach is to bomb it fast if we get the ball from clearance. Whereas, Hawthorn preferred to look for a close handball out of the stoppage to start a running chain or enable a more directed kick forward. It’s as if Sam Mitchell says they can kick straight from stoppage but only if they are able to eyeball a clear or leading player. Whereas we just get ball, kick ball without looking.[color=#40FF00] HUGE TICK[/color]
5) Too often, our kicks and handballs miss their targets. Or we train to deliver the ball to where the player was rather than where they’re going. Included in this point are the handballs that go to the targets’ ankles or kicks that reach their target on the half volley… infuriating! MY TICKET
6) Too often, we don’t seem to stick effective tackles or continue to apply pressure once an opponent gets past us. To be fair, I think this is a more recent development where earlier in the year I think our pressure was much better. Maybe players have checked out (which is not a great excuse and another poor indicator but I guess if a player is prepared to check out now, they must be prepared to wear the consequences when we go through the list post-season).
7) We are WAY too mild mannered. Still. Whether it’s joking around after we get smashed or not doing much of the little annoying unsociable things other hungrier teams do. FULLY SICK TICK

I understand that times have changed but this team doesn’t play the way Voss played and it doesn’t seem like Voss is as uncompromising as a coach as he was as a player (hopefully he is behind closed doors but it’s not coming out on game day). I CAN TICK THIS.

It was interesting to hear Voss call out amongst our deficiencies that we kick it down the line too much. So that is obviously not his preferred way for us to move the ball. THIS TICKS ME OFF
So, why do we do it so much? The answer to this question could be the key to addressing a lot of our on-field problems. Hopefully, GW knows the answer and we will see his response in the coming weeks or months.



This one annoys me most as well.
Because they use extra numbers deep and run it out. That is why our forward line is clogged unless we move it super fast on turnover. But we have a couple of culprits that always hold the play up on the break allowing the opposition to get numbers back. eg Acres!! This is where Kemp I think would have been of help as he is reasonably quick for his size.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 1:57 pm 
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keogh wrote:
White is better than Motlop now
Better kick quicker and footy iq


Can't argue with that.

Do we need either next year?

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