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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 4:11 pm 
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Navy One wrote:
Not sure exactly where to post this but interesting Herald/Sun article
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... 20675802b7
where Andrew Russell comments about our blown chance in 2023

"... shocked that a self-satisfied playing group did not fight hard enough in the second half of the loss to Brisbane ...."
"... These guys learnt how to lose ..."

Scary shit which is apparent as we finish off 2025

There's also a bit of a dig there at the board and coterie groups


Right thread Navy One :thumbsup:

Great article and interview :thumbsup:

This is more proof its the list and list manager and not the coach that failed us. The problems run deeper. Not even Voss, a battle hardened triple Premiership player and a great motivator could move this group of players.

I hope the players know that some of us don't blame S & G , or the coach. I think SOS cut the list too deep and didnt have enough experience left , let alone leadership around a young talented group.

The result of cutting too deep:

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“I walked into Carlton and it was a different environment. Completely different. The club looked like it was being well run and they had their finances in order. But you walk into a club with high talent that is losing and that had an impact on them. These guys learnt how to lose."


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"I don’t understand that culture. You lose a lot, you get used to losing, you feel comfortable with losing. And that’s how the mind works. You become very comfortable in that space and it’s almost like you expect it. My first day was a Saturday morning training session and six or seven players rocked up late. Is this the starting point?”


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He is not just a strength coach, he is a mind coach, he is an agitator when needed and a figure who thrives when he has his fingers in every pie that affects a player’s performance.

Recovery, performance, psychology, diet, attitude.

He told Sacked that as the injuries mounted up his influence waned until it was time for him to move on.

For the first time in his final season he did not have autonomy to fulfil his program across the entire club.

If players were injured they went into a rehab group which he did not control.


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The (2021) review didn’t do good things for lots of people at the football club. Lots of people went to ‘self’ after that review. Self preservation. So any time we were challenged people went to self from that point of time.

“In the end the responsibility was diffused across many different voices. I did an internal review on everything we were doing (with the injury concerns).

“I was robust on myself, I was robust on everything. I tapped into everything. So I would challenge people around what, ‘What are we doing with recruiting? What are we doing with how we are playing? This is what I am seeing’. And some people didn’t like that.

“The program had the least amount of ‘me’ in it than ever in the last year. You are told to stay in your lane.


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He says Carlton’s injury crisis last year was no surprise — of the players who got injured in-season their average pre-season completion rate was just 58 per cent.


Adam Cerra’s repeat hamstring concerns were an outrider given he had done a mostly full pre-season.

The club limped into September with six changes in the elimination final against Brisbane as the Blues rolled the dice by playing Tom De Koning as the sub off a fractured foot and Sam Docherty off an early-season ACL tear.

“Even with all those challenges, I still believe we could win it last year. But too many guys had missed out on too much connection and lack of belief. The issue with (Docherty) was a performance issue. Could he do what he needed to under the bright lights? It was a risk but the player was very robust. He is an extraordinary character and with his ability to perform in the past, we went back and said could he perform?

“Physically we knew he was in great shape. We were happier for him to do the job than someone else, otherwise we don’t play him. We were all on board together. Everyone was on the same page. We outlined the risk and reward four months earlier and basically we just kept ticking those boxes. That’s what we do.”


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 Post subject: 2025 - What do we think?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 5:20 pm 
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I feel like we've had less soft tissues this season?

Seems to be more lower leg injuries.

I agree with AR re the 2023 season, the club seemed too satisfied with just making the prelim and thag the next step would just automatically happen.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2025 8:50 am 
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missnaut wrote:
MPH78 wrote:
Breaks my heart but I’m in the phase of trying to disconnect from the club and most of my Carlton intake.

Unfollowed all the clubs socials, players too, watch no footy media and have even stopped listening to the few podcasts I indulge in. Will barely watch the remaining games if at all.

Another round of Carlton depression is just no good for me so these are the personal steps I’m taking.

Such a pity the club continues to deliver such little joy with nothing really to believe in or get behind. Not for me anyway.
Similar here.
I usually only know who's won games by Daniel Gorringe's updates.


See y'all on draft night.

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