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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:18 pm 
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Surprised Acres isn't back in. Why do we need two small forwards in?


The 4/5 small forwards who rarely mark is contrary to the way Collingwood set up their forward line?

They have 3 talls. mihochek, mcstay and Hoskin Elliott.
2 hybrid fast marking forwards Elliott & Schultz. All seem good at marking.
And O’Sullivan (small).

Carlton have one tall & a ruckman who rarely marks & four smalls/3 smalls?
Oh well.. I guess it is a different plan. Good luck.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 10:27 pm 
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Perhaps Voss is planning even more long bombs into the forward line

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2025 11:14 pm 
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We have the most gifted, dangerous small forwards in the league with that side selected…….just can’t see how we don’t score playing them all week in week out……


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:43 am 
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tap in 79 wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Surprised Acres isn't back in. Why do we need two small forwards in?


The 4/5 small forwards who rarely mark is contrary to the way Collingwood set up their forward line?

They have 3 talls. mihochek, mcstay and Hoskin Elliott.
2 hybrid fast marking forwards Elliott & Schultz. All seem good at marking.
And O’Sullivan (small).

Carlton have one tall & a ruckman who rarely marks & four smalls/3 smalls?
Oh well.. I guess it is a different plan. Good luck.


3 talls, Tap? Hoskin Elliott is 186cm.
In fact, McStay is their only forward over 193cm.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 9:09 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
Surprised Acres isn't back in. Why do we need two small forwards in?
Not even playing VFL, he's probably just cooked.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 10:50 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
Surprised Acres isn't back in. Why do we need two small forwards in?


Everyone who criticizes Carlton for the long bomb knows why he isn't selected!
That's all he does with ball in hand.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 11:24 am 
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After the current jakey stringer love fest, I don't care if Carlton win, I need bogan horse face smelksham, nose picker etc to lose

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 11:59 am 
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Jono182 wrote:
Honestly what the flower.
How is Evans getting a game again!

Voss selecting for his job? Or for the future?


Voss made it clear the direction of the team is not his choice.
The club put the cue in the rack for the Pies game, after we lost to North Melbourne.

Club made it clear to Voss they wanted to see the kids and players wanting to extend their contract beyond 2025, and see if contracted players for 2026 deserve to keep a list spot.

This is not Vossy's team. This is Austin and Wright's team,
IF, Austin will be allowed to make list decisions independent of Wright and others. I don't think he will, unless he's been banking a few surprises, the club may already know about. After all, there's another 14 contracts ending end of this year, and 13 next year, and our window could easily be pushed open with some astute decisions.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:07 pm 
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Surprised Acres isn't back in. Why do we need two small forwards in?


Did you watch Acres game in the VFL? He wasn't even VFL standard. His body looks shot to me.
We've got another 2 years of him following this year. Rebuild him, if we can, and get a big preseason into him, to at least be good depth, or trade him. His skills are not what we need. We must have learned by now, we need speed and stamina in our players, but without skills, its wasted hope to believe his skills will improve at 30yo.

Good news is there is interested parties in Acres. That may surprise you.

Would you trade him if we could? Is he worth the $400K pa to be depth and support for VFL players who need a bigger body to help them out. Is that role worth $400K pa. A bit rich me thinks, but we do need depth.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:13 pm 
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Anyone wanting Lemmy in the team clearly doesn’t watch any VFL
Port are talking to him

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I think its more the case of Lemmey's manager sniffing around to create noise and put pressure on Carlton to overpay Lemmey if a new contract is on the cards.

The truth is, apart from our onfield failure, the players are really happy at Carlton. There was some talk one of the leaders was not happy with the role Voss had him playing, about 2 months ago, but there hasn't been a murmur on that front from anyone in the club. Probably part of an anti Voss Agenda? Me thinks so.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:41 pm 
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Lowey_47 wrote:
After the current jakey stringer love fest, I don't care if Carlton win, I need bogan horse face smelksham, nose picker etc to lose

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Remember that horrible late 2022 game when he kicked 4 including from that mark that just fell in his lap with 8 Carlton players around him.

I think it's Clayton's 200th game so put him down for 35 possies.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:48 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Surprised Acres isn't back in. Why do we need two small forwards in?


The 4/5 small forwards who rarely mark is contrary to the way Collingwood set up their forward line?

They have 3 talls. mihochek, mcstay and Membrey and medium sized marking forward Hoskin Elliott.
2 hybrid fast marking forwards Elliott & Schultz. All seem good at marking.
And Sullivan (small).....or Bobby Hill when he's fit

Pace to burn and marking power

Carlton have one tall & a ruckman who rarely marks & four smalls/3 smalls?
Oh well.. I guess it is a different plan. Good luck.


This year we have usually picked a minimum 5 smalls with Williams, and when available Fantasia, for talent, and Fogarty Motlop, Durdin, Evans and White.

WE (I mean Voss) has selected 6 small forwards in the team this year.

This week it looks like we have Williams, Motlop, Fogarty, Young, White, Durdin and Evans. SEVEN!!!!!!!

Has injury to 11 players really cut our talent pool that much? Is there something wrong with our list?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:49 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
We have the most gifted, dangerous small forwards in the league with that side selected…….just can’t see how we don’t score playing them all week in week out……



:lol: :lol:

Keep doing the same thing that doesn't work week in week out is a sign of insanity.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:52 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Surprised Acres isn't back in. Why do we need two small forwards in?


The 4/5 small forwards who rarely mark is contrary to the way Collingwood set up their forward line?

They have 3 talls. mihochek, mcstay and Hoskin Elliott.
2 hybrid fast marking forwards Elliott & Schultz. All seem good at marking.
And O’Sullivan (small).

Carlton have one tall & a ruckman who rarely marks & four smalls/3 smalls?
Oh well.. I guess it is a different plan. Good luck.


3 talls, Tap? Hoskin Elliott is 186cm.
In fact, McStay is their only forward over 193cm.


Milochek is 192cm.

and the 3rd tall is Membrey who is 188cm.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:55 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Surprised Acres isn't back in. Why do we need two small forwards in?
Not even playing VFL, he's probably just cooked.


He is busted up.

After that abysmal showing in the VFL last week, the club has finally realised we have been carrying a player with serious shoulder injury. I heard his back is hurt. Point is he should not have been played at all this year, till he was free of injury. ie fixed up. Fit for purpose.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:59 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Surprised Acres isn't back in. Why do we need two small forwards in?


The 4/5 small forwards who rarely mark is contrary to the way Collingwood set up their forward line?

They have 3 talls. mihochek, mcstay and Hoskin Elliott.
2 hybrid fast marking forwards Elliott & Schultz. All seem good at marking.
And O’Sullivan (small).

Carlton have one tall & a ruckman who rarely marks & four smalls/3 smalls?
Oh well.. I guess it is a different plan. Good luck.


3 talls, Tap? Hoskin Elliott is 186cm.
In fact, McStay is their only forward over 193cm.


Milochek is 192cm.

and the 3rd tall is Membrey who is 188cm.


Point is , all are extremely strong overhead .

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:00 pm 
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Lowey_47 wrote:
After the current jakey stringer love fest, I don't care if Carlton win, I need bogan horse face smelksham, nose picker etc to lose

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He's actually a really nice guy, unless you know something proving he's not.

He's a tough bugger, and dangerous, but is peaceful and, laid back.

Like I said, top fella. My advice is "don't poke the bear".

He does have a knack of playing well against us.... that shits me.

WE have a few who can keep him quiet: Doc, Cowan.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:01 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Surprised Acres isn't back in. Why do we need two small forwards in?


The 4/5 small forwards who rarely mark is contrary to the way Collingwood set up their forward line?

They have 3 talls. mihochek, mcstay and Hoskin Elliott.
2 hybrid fast marking forwards Elliott & Schultz. All seem good at marking.
And O’Sullivan (small).

Carlton have one tall & a ruckman who rarely marks & four smalls/3 smalls?
Oh well.. I guess it is a different plan. Good luck.


3 talls, Tap? Hoskin Elliott is 186cm.
In fact, McStay is their only forward over 193cm.


Milochek is 192cm.

and the 3rd tall is Membrey who is 188cm.


Point is , all are extremely strong overhead .


That is the point. All of their forwards are strong marks. Real forwards.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 1:26 pm 
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Reckon we have missed Brodie Kemp myself . He can take a grab and jag a goal . Thoughts of trading this bloke is nuts .

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2025 2:05 pm 
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Reckon we have missed Brodie Kemp myself . He can take a grab and jag a goal . Thoughts of trading this bloke is nuts .


We have missed him badly, such has been the state of our injuries and is the state of the depth on our list.

Mick. I want to keep Kemp, at this stage, as depth....till he bashes the door down in the VFL.

I have no doubt the move of Kemp away from backline last in 2024 was for good reason.
I have no doubt we longed to get Silvagni back to fill the 2nd ruck position/ or 3rd tall before Kemp.
I have no doubt Silvagni's request to play KPD, like his dad did, created the spot for Kemp to camp in the fowardline, if Charlie and Harry were also fit.
Our other choices for the 3rd tall forward were: Young Lemmey O'Keefe. Slim pickings TBH. I would play Kemp ahead of them too. Just.

I've seen him miss too many easy shots and easy marks to think he's a player who I could rely on to consistently mark and snag a goal.

He's not a kid anymore. He's 24yo. He's played his 50 games. I want to keep him because he's the right age and cheap (for a reason)

This is what our now mature First round player, pick 17 has delivered:

Rnd 1 v Rich CHF 83% GT 8 disposals, 2 marks 1.2
Rnd 2 v Haw FP 92% GT 6 disposals 0 marks 1.0
Rnd 3 v WB FP 87% GT 12 disposals 7 marks 5.1
Rnd 4 v Coll CHF 87% GT 7 disposals 4 marks 0.0
Rnd 5 v WCE IC 64% GT 10 disposals 2 marks 0.1


One good game out of 5 games is not what I would call consistent or reliable.

He's handy, and he could plug a hole in need, and we love him because he tries his guts out, but imo wouldn't get a game in any of the Top 10 teams. That's where we are at imo. I'm not saying he's reached his ceiling, and I wouldn't Trade him for anything less than a 2nd rounder, given his 2nd ACL but prefer to keep TBH unless we find 8 better mature players from Trades and a few left field Draft picks for mature players. Not sure what his upside is after his 2 ACLs but in order to contend for a Flag we need more depth and improvement on our regulars, of which Kemp was before he got injured.

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