Agree, it will be interesting to see what the response is from this "new" Carlton under Cook and Wright. Will the club roll over again?

Whilst I love the unsociable mongrel in the kid, I do think this sort of action should be banned and warrants a stiff penalty. There are others who should have been dealt harshly before now, but hopefully anyone who does this gets rubbed out to a similar degree from now on.

He doesn't push the guy into his teammate he just pushes him away from the ball. Unfortunately the on coming Brisbane player gets his head in the way. And yet you can push a guy in the back into a pack when going for a mark.

Very well done Ben . It was no accident . Ben lined Robertson up . Robertson punched him in the head earlier in the match . Ben just evened up .

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Have seen him run with the flight of the ball into a pack and take a mark while getting KO'd in the act. Whatever it is that is less than Koutoufides about Gov, he isn't soft. Hesitant at times perhaps, indecisive at times, injury prone (but so was half our team in '22 & '23 & '24 don't really know)… but not soft.

When they brought back Pitto a few weeks ago I was hoping for Lemmy instead of Pitto but knew they would go with Pitto and TDK… the problematic two rucks situation. Voss looks for consistence of personal to "build that chemistry in the ones"… the chemistry with the worst kicking effectiveness (#18 in two key kicking stats I think they were general play KE and kicking inside 50 KE) in the AFL as revealed in the stats by Josh Gablich on one of those AFL shows this week).

Two rucks hasn't worked well at Pies or Demons in the past, not say it cannot work at all but depends on the kinds of players the two rucks are and the holes in the rest of the list. It's mainly a problem b/c TDK plays his best as a follower not as a KPF, ditto Pitto.

Maybe they don't want to torch Lemmy with whatever disease has infected our KPFs? Keep him in reserves for rest of the year and let him build his confidence and skill with decent opportunities to take marks on the lead.

TDK contract situation wouldn't be a big deal if we were top 4 this year. Lots have top 8 clubs have an important player out of contract. And who knows… Saints might end up back peddling on the $1.7 for TDK if some of their other fish stay to fry.

Also I don't think TDK has checked out, if it was about him resigned to transferring to St Kilda he'd be playing out of his skin to make sure he banks the extra $0.5m per year for the next 7 yrs or whatever they are offering. same with Charlie he's not "checked out" they're both just struggling and somewhat starved of opportunities to shine. not to mention team success and the confidence that brings like the rest of the players.

can we not kick the ball to MAX when he goes to backline ,thats all i ask

Not while Steven May is back there .

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I think the TDK/Lemmy conundrum was that we already had a bunch of youngsters been thrown around by more mature bodies and we didn't want to add Lemmy to that equation. Whatever TDK's motivation is (or is not), he has enough pre seasons that he should be able to compete effectively in the fwd line.

Cerra available to play, will only get a fine and not a suspension - sanity prevails

but Gov and Fantasia out with hamstring injuries.

Saad available.

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Silvagni still not available either.

My god we are going to be BAD this week, and I'm almost looking forward to the Clownshoe Derby in the final round

I bet cerra wishes he got suspended.....

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Both us and the Bommmerz will struggle to field a team at this rate.

Alright. Let's do something different. Let's play them both and stretch the Demons back line. Lemmey comes in for McGovern and plays FF. TDK stays down there and then relieves Pitto. Charlie roams at CHF. Acres comes back for Fantasia and Evans comes in for Fogarty. I'd give Lord a full game and play Durdin sub. Saad wait one more week.

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I think Skull would be a better option than Lemmy at this stage.

It would be nice to do something different. It's like going through Groundhog Day week after week.

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You want to do something different?

Pick Lemmey and Skull and TDK to play fwd and have Charlie play either on the wing or CHB.

Sounds good to me. Mix it up. We can't do any worse.

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