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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 3:33 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Football Director - someone with experience in the modern game.

GM of Football - Abolished
Coaching & Performance Manager - Abolished
Development & Talent Manager - Abolished
Senior Assistant Coach - Abolished

GM of Football Performance - New

Head Coach - AFL
- Assistant Coach (Backs)
- Assistant Coach (Midfielders)
- Assistant Coach (Forwards)
- VFL Coach

Head of High Performance
- Medical
- Physio
- Psych
- Etc

Head Coach - AFLW
- Assistant Coach (Backs)
- Assistant Coach (Midfielders)
- Assistant Coach (Forwards)
- VFLW Coach

GM of Football Talent - New

Head of Development
- Development Coach (Skills - AFL)
- Development Coach (Strategy - AFL)
- Development Coach (Skills - AFLW)
- Development Coach (Strategy - AFLW)

Head of The Carlton Academy
- Academy Staff

Head of List Management
- List Management Strategy (AFL)
- List Management Strategy (AFLW)
- Recruitment Manager
-> Recruiting Operations (AFL & VFL)
-> Recruiting Operations (AFLW & VFLW)


I think that's a good structure but I'd retain a senior assistant. Having a football director with experience in the modern game is a definite. The Diesel appointment is old school Carlton and tells me as much as we've progressed, we still make stupid decisions.

My one addition would be an innovation coach who sits outside the coaching group. It's been a bugbear of mine for years that we're missing an opportunity in this field. We need someone who follows the game holisticallyl, assesses the analytics in a holistic manner and determines/predicts where the game is heading (or where it could be exploited in the future). The coaches are too concerned with the day to day performance of CFC where we need someone external to that.

The recent Richmond premiership style of play was created by necessity. If it wasn't for injury, it may never have seen the light of day in its current form. We need someone a bit eccentric who can present to the football department monthly (including recruiting) with ideas, suggestions, projections on where the game could be in the 3 years or where it could be exploited today. Random, out of the box ideas where we may take 1 gem out of 10 suggestions. That is where the future is assessed and created, not followed.
AFL clubs tend to live in the present. Innovation doesn't flourish in that space.

Fair points.

Perhaps that innovation fella IS the senior assistant? I can’t think of anything else that a senior assistant would do.

In any case, I think we’ll need to go over the soft cap & lean on the business side of things to cover the tax.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 4:06 pm 
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Adelaide Crows have someone like that....Chris Sheedy "Head of Football Analysis and Data Innovation at Adelaide Football Club"

Carlton have Ash Walls "Data Analytics Manager"....would be interested to know how much input he has regarding opposition and then as you say longer term trends.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:29 pm 
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The numbers are important, but they’ve got to be interpreted through a coach’s eyes.

I suspect that’s how it came apart for Luff at Norf… that and the angry imp’s superiority complex.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 6:35 pm 
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It’s fairly clear the club didn’t see the coaching as the issue in how we finished in 2024
Laying largely the blame on Russell and keeping the same coaching structure
Another oversight by the club


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:30 pm 
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keogh wrote:
It’s fairly clear the club didn’t see the coaching as the issue in how we finished in 2024
Laying largely the blame on Russell and keeping the same coaching structure
Another oversight by the club



And if we think that bringing in new assistants and keeping Voss is the answer, it will be oversight V2.0

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 9:37 pm 
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keogh wrote:
It’s fairly clear the club didn’t see the coaching as the issue in how we finished in 2024
Laying largely the blame on Russell and keeping the same coaching structure
Another oversight by the club

The club didn't see the playing group as an issue and we got rid of 3 experienced players and only added 1 in return.
How we ended our 24 season, it was obvious we needed more reliable experience if we were going to stay in the hunt.
But the club (and a lot of supporters) overvalued the list and we went all in on a 'super draft' and this is where we are at.
Changing coaches would not have changed a thing, even the assistants IMO.
The game has moved on and we haven't as a list, first and foremost.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 9:43 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
keogh wrote:
It’s fairly clear the club didn’t see the coaching as the issue in how we finished in 2024
Laying largely the blame on Russell and keeping the same coaching structure
Another oversight by the club

The club didn't see the playing group as an issue and we got rid of 3 experienced players and only added 1 in return.
How we ended our 24 season, it was obvious we needed more reliable experience if we were going to stay in the hunt.
But the club (and a lot of supporters) overvalued the list and we went all in on a 'super draft' and this is where we are at.
Changing coaches would not have changed a thing, even the assistants IMO.
The game has moved on and we haven't as a list, first and foremost.


Yes mate , while everybody else is moving forward we are stuck in the mud .

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:22 pm 
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Sliding doors.

It’s not impossible that Jagga Smith could have had a Judd-like first year which may have invigorated our midfield and potentially changed the way we play.

Is that messiah complex? Maybe. But he was ripping it up preseason and making some of our more senior players look flat footed.

Unfortunately he got injured and missed the season.

But had it worked out we may well be in the 8 right now.

And I’m not putting that purely on him but I think we all regularly forget the power of momentum.

We are going nowhere at the moment because there is zero momentum.

There’s clearly a breakdown in confidence within the playing group and that’s affecting everything.

It’s not an excuse and we’ve made plenty of mistakes but we also haven’t had a lot of luck.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:03 am 
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GWS wrote:
Sliding doors.

It’s not impossible that Jagga Smith could have had a Judd-like first year which may have invigorated our midfield and potentially changed the way we play.

Is that messiah complex? Maybe. But he was ripping it up preseason and making some of our more senior players look flat footed.

Unfortunately he got injured and missed the season.

But had it worked out we may well be in the 8 right now.

And I’m not putting that purely on him but I think we all regularly forget the power of momentum.

We are going nowhere at the moment because there is zero momentum.

There’s clearly a breakdown in confidence within the playing group and that’s affecting everything.

It’s not an excuse and we’ve made plenty of mistakes but we also haven’t had a lot of luck.


Luck has definitely not gone our way, with .... everything, with the exception of 2nd half of 2023, and first half of 2024, and that was all on the back of a bit of luck with injury, then that was taken away from us as our luck ran out.

Landing Judd wasn't luck, because we paid a huge price for him. Losing Kennedy was the pound of flesh we gave up. I think the cut was too deep.....similar to when SOS took the reigns with his Turbo charged chainsaw. Luck didnt go our way, because SOS couldn't control his tool and cut too deep.

No Luck.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:05 am 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Focus on the Football Dept, and we will find the solution:

Football Director
GM of Football
Head of S & C
S & C resources
Doctors, physios, Psyches...
Recruiting
List Management
Coaching & Performance Mgr
Coach
Assistant coaches
Line Coaches
Statisticians

Player metrics

Football Director - someone with experience in the modern game.

GM of Football - Abolished
Coaching & Performance Manager - Abolished
Development & Talent Manager - Abolished
Senior Assistant Coach - Abolished

GM of Football Performance - New

Head Coach - AFL
- Assistant Coach (Backs)
- Assistant Coach (Midfielders)
- Assistant Coach (Forwards)
- VFL Coach

Head of High Performance
- Medical
- Physio
- Psych
- Etc

Head Coach - AFLW
- Assistant Coach (Backs)
- Assistant Coach (Midfielders)
- Assistant Coach (Forwards)
- VFLW Coach

GM of Football Talent - New

Head of Development
- Development Coach (Skills - AFL)
- Development Coach (Strategy - AFL)
- Development Coach (Skills - AFLW)
- Development Coach (Strategy - AFLW)

Head of The Carlton Academy
- Academy Staff

Head of List Management
- List Management Strategy (AFL)
- List Management Strategy (AFLW)
- Recruitment Manager
-> Recruiting Operations (AFL & VFL)
-> Recruiting Operations (AFLW & VFLW)


A lot of spots to get right to be on track.

Put it all under the microscope. There are a lot of good football already at the club, so not every position needs people from outside, but start at the top would be a great start: Diesel.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:34 pm 
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GWS wrote:
Sliding doors.

It’s not impossible that Jagga Smith could have had a Judd-like first year which may have invigorated our midfield and potentially changed the way we play.

Is that messiah complex? Maybe. But he was ripping it up preseason and making some of our more senior players look flat footed.

Unfortunately he got injured and missed the season.

But had it worked out we may well be in the 8 right now.

And I’m not putting that purely on him but I think we all regularly forget the power of momentum.

We are going nowhere at the moment because there is zero momentum.

There’s clearly a breakdown in confidence within the playing group and that’s affecting everything.

It’s not an excuse and we’ve made plenty of mistakes but we also haven’t had a lot of luck.



And it may have also papered over the cracks

Let's be brutal; there was a stench from the middle of last year and "injuries" were the low hanging fruit to be scapegoated

I see Jagga's injury as a blessing in disguise. Will be stronger and more motivated next year, while not having all the pressure in the shitshow that is our 2025 season

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:19 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
keogh wrote:
It’s fairly clear the club didn’t see the coaching as the issue in how we finished in 2024
Laying largely the blame on Russell and keeping the same coaching structure
Another oversight by the club

The club didn't see the playing group as an issue and we got rid of 3 experienced players and only added 1 in return.
How we ended our 24 season, it was obvious we needed more reliable experience if we were going to stay in the hunt.
But the club (and a lot of supporters) overvalued the list and we went all in on a 'super draft' and this is where we are at.
Changing coaches would not have changed a thing, even the assistants IMO.
The game has moved on and we haven't as a list, first and foremost.


You're probably only saying that b/c Jagga Smith missed the entire season.

It's interesting to see Bam Bam and Jack Martin getting regular games at top 4 clubs and Kennedy described in media as the mature age recruit of the year… probably just over egging it a tiny bit.

I agree that Kennedy had ability to kick inside 50 with skill and to mark and kick a goal from anywhere inside the F50 arc with consistency, and that's something we don't exactly have in spades in our midfielders. But which of our midfielders would you have traded out to make room for Jagga Smith? Would you have not tried to get him?

I think Owies was a reliable forward and thought he was treated poorly by the club but I have to concede that if I was asked to pick b/w Owies and Jagga, even sight unseen and on reputation alone I'm picking Jagga.

Same for Kennedy vs Jagga, though less of sure thing. As for Kennedy + Owies for Jagga and it starts to get more difficult a decision but I still probably will be backing it if Jagga plays up to his reputation in 2026.

We desperately need an inside/outside mid who can make great decisions, dance around opponents and kick with precision. Just look at how Butters alone kept Port in the game against WCE https://www.afl.com.au/news/1365349/coaches-votes-r18-port-adelaide-star-zak-butters-makes-a-move-brodie-grundys-incredible-streak-for-sydney-swans. The Cripps 2 Walsh 2 Cripps combo ac only works with both of them on the field every week. Hewitt has become that clearance combo player with Cripps, but Walsh did outside and running to so many contests to be the one extra who takes possession and gets it out/forward)

Not sure delisting Jack was the best move, essentially we gave him to Geelong for nothing at all and yes injury prone but so are many of our players (eg Walsh this year and last, Newman,…) and we aren't giving them away for nothing. Maybe they just did it for Jack's sake hoping his injury luck would change at another club? It didn't but he's playing in a top 4 side now, and Chris Scott is playing him much more as a transition off/def player than a goal scorer, I wonder how Blues are going at transition off/def in 2025 and could use him play more of that kind of role than he did in the past?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:26 pm 
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Head of High Performance
- Medical
- Physio
- Psych
- Etc


Don't put a straight physiotherapist in charge of conditioning and recovery oversight. Nine times out of ten they'll make sure chiropractics are frowned upon or banned as Pies did decades ago and the club's soft tissue injuries went through the roof as a result b/c half the team was already seeing the same Chiro. Said chiro got black listed because the poor- little physio's feelings got hurt... so complained to Head of Medical.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:29 pm 
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GWS wrote:
Sliding doors.

It’s not impossible that Jagga Smith could have had a Judd-like first year which may have invigorated our midfield and potentially changed the way we play.

Is that messiah complex? Maybe. But he was ripping it up preseason and making some of our more senior players look flat footed.

Unfortunately he got injured and missed the season.

But had it worked out we may well be in the 8 right now.

And I’m not putting that purely on him but I think we all regularly forget the power of momentum.

We are going nowhere at the moment because there is zero momentum.

There’s clearly a breakdown in confidence within the playing group and that’s affecting everything.

It’s not an excuse and we’ve made plenty of mistakes but we also haven’t had a lot of luck.


Agree with all that.

Confidence and momentum are big things in pro sports. Can't be underestimated and yes, I think Jagga may have changed our season just because he fit the bill of what we lacked in so many ways. I'm sure teams would have put time into him as a result, but that leaves Cripps, Hewitt, Walsh when available, more latitude. And we may have seen coaches with more confidence in rotating other players through the middle more b/c of the Jagga factor.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:48 pm 
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Sure we have infantilsed and feminised the players or in many cases drafted ones with these traits and low competitiveness. The only bloke (post Setanta) who ever got fired up at training and actually was pissed when he wasn't playing is now at the Dogs, whilst Millions McKay and Elijah take time to appreciate things "bigger things than football".


"infantilsed [sic] and feminised", WTaF?!?!

having a bad temper or short fuse or lack of self control isn't the same thing as playing skilful and rugged footy. Anyone can lose their sh!t and that helps nobody.

I think in the last two months Voss has been really transparent in the media about where we are falling down. The clichés that had been given me some annoyance were all gone and he finally said "It's not good enough" in the presser two weeks ago. I'd been waiting for that for weeks. I think the Essendon** game was when the rot really set in. We won it, just, which allowed Voss to spin it as a 50/50 performance to the media. it wasn't it was everything that we are doing wrong on the field in one game.

I think Voss is holding up remarkably well given some of the lunatics who barrack for Blues and the size of the supporter base and a long history of buying our way to the top and winning premierships. People seem to forget how much the AFL has changed from the VFL days.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 4:35 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
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Head of High Performance
- Medical
- Physio
- Psych
- Etc


Don't put a straight physiotherapist in charge of conditioning and recovery oversight. Nine times out of ten they'll make sure chiropractics are frowned upon or banned as Pies did decades ago and the club's soft tissue injuries went through the roof as a result b/c half the team was already seeing the same Chiro. Said chiro got black listed because the poor- little physio's feelings got hurt... so complained to Head of Medical.

Yeah, the high performance stuff is a little bit out of my comfort zone. I mean, I’ve got a few old mates in the caper, but I’d say that I know just enough to be dangerous.

That said, I would bet my balls that 99/100 Football Directors would be in the same position… and maybe, given the club’s position & tools at our disposal, we might appoint a Medical Director to the board?

I dunno… it’s just something that popped into my head as I was sitting on the thunderbox. In fairness, there are already a couple of candidates at the table.

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