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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:51 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
kezza wrote:
Good to see 3 re-signings today.
Matthew Carroll and O'Farrell to the end of 2027 and Cowan until the end of 2028.
Cowan was not coming out of contract until the end of next year so signed a year early. Will hold off the Tassie team for a bit longer.


Nah - we have no talent, and everyone is and should be on the table........

O'Farrell has good potential.
Cowan bottom 6 to mid.
Carroll could also be bottom 6/depth.
All 3 have leg speed and can kick the footy.
Great signings, well done.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:17 pm 
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Can’t believe the club has instructed Newman to work on his conditioning for the rest of the year.

We could’ve added Flynn Riley in the MSD, or best SAFL or WAFL player

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Sack the Cheer Squad, especially that Tracy Woman who thinks she represents the majority of Carlton Fans before the Fans turned on her on 3AW and she copped it bad! :grin: :grin: :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bondiblue wrote:
Can’t believe the club has instructed Newman to work on his conditioning for the rest of the year.

We could’ve added Flynn Riley in the MSD, or best SAFL or WAFL player


I guess they were planning on bringing Newman back in the finals just like they did with Doc.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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That was exactly my thinking too, sinners :D


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 Post subject: List Management 2025
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I didn't really have an issue if he came back as long as he was properly ready. Get some match play, get some leadership back.

But it's probably for the best he isn't thrown on field with the state of the side at the moment.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Can’t believe the club has instructed Newman to work on his conditioning for the rest of the year.

We could’ve added Flynn Riley in the MSD, or best SAFL or WAFL player


Exactly. So incompetent. Docherty last year Newman this. Player over club

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Effes wrote:
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_of_contract_players

Carlton Players Out of Contract in 2025 Carlton Player Contracts

Name Years Service Status
Alex Cincotta 3 Non-Free Agent
Billy Wilson 2 Non-Free Agent
Brodie Kemp 6 Non-Free Agent
Flynn Young 1 Unknown
Francis Evans 1 Unrestricted Free Agent
Harry Charleson 1 Non-Free Agent
Harry Lemmey 3 Non-Free Agent
Jack Silvagni 10 Unrestricted Free Agent
Jesse Motlop 4 Non-Free Agent
Matt Carroll 2 Unrestricted Free Agent Signed
Mitch McGovern 7 Non-Free Agent
Nic Newman 7 Non-Free Agent Signed
Nick Haynes 1 Unrestricted Free Agent
Orazio Fantasia 2 Unrestricted Free Agent
Rob Monahan 2 Non-Free Agent
Sam Docherty 12 Unrestricted Free Agent
Tom De Koning 8 Restricted Free Agent
Will White 1 Non-Free Agent

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 5:21 pm 
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choo wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Can’t believe the club has instructed Newman to work on his conditioning for the rest of the year.

We could’ve added Flynn Riley in the MSD, or best SAFL or WAFL player


Exactly. So incompetent. Docherty last year Newman this. Player over club



:eek:
Wright would have been all over this!!!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:15 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Can’t believe the club has instructed Newman to work on his conditioning for the rest of the year.

We could’ve added Flynn Riley in the MSD, or best SAFL or WAFL player


I guess they were planning on bringing Newman back in the finals just like they did with Doc.


Its exactly what they were thinking, and because I was optimistic with our injury list, that it would turn for the better, we'd make Finals and Newman would slot right in.

That's OK, for us on the outside, with our glass half full and Blue Glasses on. We don't make the decisions based on any knowledge of player injury progress.

BUT... I want to know the answer to the following:

1. Was the S&C dept correct with their assessment of Doc's readiness to play a "significant" role in Finals last year? Didn't cost us anything TBH, but important for club to know the answer.

2. Is the new S & G dept correct with their assessment of Newman's readiness to play a "significant" role come Finals? May have cost us an opportunity to sign up Flynn Reilly or a good player killing it in SAFL WAFL VFL, or Corio Cup, and its important to know that the S&G dept have what it takes to making correct decisions, or not.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:45 pm 
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Yesterday was the Captains Run, and Player Sponsors, and others, were invited to the club to watch and mingle.
Here's some of the things you'd want to know from the day.

The audience stood in the indoor training facility looking out at the ground.
Wright was there too, and amongst the crowd, looked like he was conducting interviews for maybe off field roles rather than on field roles.
No one knew who any of the candidates were. Wright didn't seem to mind he was out in the open, and was engaging with the visitors.

Dean, Ison, Walker, Gresham and Clarke were all there. The boys got around them, which was great to see.
Charlie was mucking around, having fun with Walker like an older brother.

The most important thing was to get a feel for the spirit amongst the group, and the club.
No doubt the spirits within the 4 walls are high, but that maybe because the list is made up of an immature bunch of entitled private school kids who like to play up than go to war.
Most important, the spirits were high, and TDK played up/ gave the impression he belonged :lol:

Walker was incredible, and at 16yo, could be another Tim Watson, Jim Buckley, Ken Sheldon 16yo who is ready to play so young.
Walker was on boundary with Chinka and Motlop taking shots at goal.
Motlop was still trying to replicate that lucky checkside shot he had in the Final vs Dees, which supporters prematurely announced the arrival of Motlop (AT 19YO)
Pity Motlop hasn't been able to replicate that shot in the last 2 years.

Motlop missed all his shots at goals with checkside kicks, Chinka was 50-50 with his checkside kicks, and then there was Walker kicking straight drop punts, and didn't miss one.
That's something Charlie and Harry could look at at and learn what is needed whjen they have the privilege of a shot at goal in an AFL game.
Motlop is not the answer, and I'd be disappointed if he was offered a contract extension, given we need to add more experience and skill to this team.

Standing next to Dean he doesn't exude anything you'd expect from an AFL player, ie physically he isnt huge, but on the track he looked seriously ready to play AFL.
Like last week's Under 18 game, Dean cleaned up everything that hit the flaw and his kicking is very accurate.

Gresham is tiny, but his first 5 metres is quicker than Motlop's, but his size is a worry.

Clarkey looked really good too. He's Martin's size and stature. Nothing stand out. It was only a captain's run, but he could kick and run and ...who knows?

What I do know is we have our eyes on these new kids (FS and NGA), of which we are hoping we snag Dean with a 2nd round pick, and Ison as an NGA replacement for Monohan, in a team list where we have too many kids and not enough depth, let alone a need to improve on the regulars who get picked every week because of a lack of alternatives because of our lack of depth ie Acres, Doc, Cerra, Gov, Fogarty, Motlop, TDK, Pittonet...when they are down on form, or heart, or should be in the VFL as our depth.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 1:43 pm 
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Like other years, I can see at least 8-10 changes to the list. There's no Messiahs amongst the FA's.

2 of the 46 players to be dropped from list ........Evans and White. Brings list number to 44.

Compulsory Minimum 3 Draft picks:

Dean 18yo.........Doc
Ison 18yo..........Monohan NGA
Cincotta 28yo.....Fantasia

Draft or Traded in

1 ruckman.........TDK

6 mature players.....Doc, Fantasia, Elijah gone........and 3-4 kids must go too....F. Young, Motlop, Wilson and Lemmey out of contract. Maybe Lemmey survives. Binns wont be kept imo.

We have to improve our best 23, and improve our depth in the VFL.

Haynes, Gov, Cincotta Kemp will add to our depth if we find better mature players.
Kemp is the right age we need more of, but may be traded too and replaced with another mature player.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:19 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Yesterday was the Captains Run, and Player Sponsors, and others, were invited to the club to watch and mingle.
Here's some of the things you'd want to know from the day.

The audience stood in the indoor training facility looking out at the ground.
Wright was there too, and amongst the crowd, looked like he was conducting interviews for maybe off field roles rather than on field roles.
No one knew who any of the candidates were. Wright didn't seem to mind he was out in the open, and was engaging with the visitors.

Dean, Ison, Walker, Gresham and Clarke were all there. The boys got around them, which was great to see.
Charlie was mucking around, having fun with Walker like an older brother.

The most important thing was to get a feel for the spirit amongst the group, and the club.
No doubt the spirits within the 4 walls are high, but that maybe because the list is made up of an immature bunch of entitled private school kids who like to play up than go to war.
Most important, the spirits were high, and TDK played up/ gave the impression he belonged :lol:

Walker was incredible, and at 16yo, could be another Tim Watson, Jim Buckley, Ken Sheldon 16yo who is ready to play so young.
Walker was on boundary with Chinka and Motlop taking shots at goal.
Motlop was still trying to replicate that lucky checkside shot he had in the Final vs Dees, which supporters prematurely announced the arrival of Motlop (AT 19YO)
Pity Motlop hasn't been able to replicate that shot in the last 2 years.

Motlop missed all his shots at goals with checkside kicks, Chinka was 50-50 with his checkside kicks, and then there was Walker kicking straight drop punts, and didn't miss one.
That's something Charlie and Harry could look at at and learn what is needed whjen they have the privilege of a shot at goal in an AFL game.
Motlop is not the answer, and I'd be disappointed if he was offered a contract extension, given we need to add more experience and skill to this team.

Standing next to Dean he doesn't exude anything you'd expect from an AFL player, ie physically he isnt huge, but on the track he looked seriously ready to play AFL.
Like last week's Under 18 game, Dean cleaned up everything that hit the flaw and his kicking is very accurate.

Gresham is tiny, but his first 5 metres is quicker than Motlop's, but his size is a worry.

Clarkey looked really good too. He's Martin's size and stature. Nothing stand out. It was only a captain's run, but he could kick and run and ...who knows?

What I do know is we have our eyes on these new kids (FS and NGA), of which we are hoping we snag Dean with a 2nd round pick, and Ison as an NGA replacement for Monohan, in a team list where we have too many kids and not enough depth, let alone a need to improve on the regulars who get picked every week because of a lack of alternatives because of our lack of depth ie Acres, Doc, Cerra, Gov, Fogarty, Motlop, TDK, Pittonet...when they are down on form, or heart, or should be in the VFL as our depth.

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Great update, thanks Bondi.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:19 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Binns wont be kept imo.

Binns needs to turn himself into a pressure forward.

Give up the 2km title chase.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:25 pm 
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Thanks for the update bondi

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:11 pm 
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Good thing we are crack recruiters if we are turning over this many in a weaker draft with little draft currency

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Megaman wrote:
Good thing we are crack recruiters if we are turning over this many in a weaker draft with little draft currency

We’ve got a full set of picks in ‘26 & ‘27 to trade. Plus a top 10 pick this year.

Hardly skint.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 6:08 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Yesterday was the Captains Run, and Player Sponsors, and others, were invited to the club to watch and mingle.
Here's some of the things you'd want to know from the day.

The audience stood in the indoor training facility looking out at the ground.
Wright was there too, and amongst the crowd, looked like he was conducting interviews for maybe off field roles rather than on field roles.
No one knew who any of the candidates were. Wright didn't seem to mind he was out in the open, and was engaging with the visitors.

Dean, Ison, Walker, Gresham and Clarke were all there. The boys got around them, which was great to see.
Charlie was mucking around, having fun with Walker like an older brother.

The most important thing was to get a feel for the spirit amongst the group, and the club.
No doubt the spirits within the 4 walls are high, but that maybe because the list is made up of an immature bunch of entitled private school kids who like to play up than go to war.
Most important, the spirits were high, and TDK played up/ gave the impression he belonged :lol:

Walker was incredible, and at 16yo, could be another Tim Watson, Jim Buckley, Ken Sheldon 16yo who is ready to play so young.
Walker was on boundary with Chinka and Motlop taking shots at goal.
Motlop was still trying to replicate that lucky checkside shot he had in the Final vs Dees, which supporters prematurely announced the arrival of Motlop (AT 19YO)
Pity Motlop hasn't been able to replicate that shot in the last 2 years.

Motlop missed all his shots at goals with checkside kicks, Chinka was 50-50 with his checkside kicks, and then there was Walker kicking straight drop punts, and didn't miss one.
That's something Charlie and Harry could look at at and learn what is needed whjen they have the privilege of a shot at goal in an AFL game.
Motlop is not the answer, and I'd be disappointed if he was offered a contract extension, given we need to add more experience and skill to this team.

Standing next to Dean he doesn't exude anything you'd expect from an AFL player, ie physically he isnt huge, but on the track he looked seriously ready to play AFL.
Like last week's Under 18 game, Dean cleaned up everything that hit the flaw and his kicking is very accurate.

Gresham is tiny, but his first 5 metres is quicker than Motlop's, but his size is a worry.

Clarkey looked really good too. He's Martin's size and stature. Nothing stand out. It was only a captain's run, but he could kick and run and ...who knows?

What I do know is we have our eyes on these new kids (FS and NGA), of which we are hoping we snag Dean with a 2nd round pick, and Ison as an NGA replacement for Monohan, in a team list where we have too many kids and not enough depth, let alone a need to improve on the regulars who get picked every week because of a lack of alternatives because of our lack of depth ie Acres, Doc, Cerra, Gov, Fogarty, Motlop, TDK, Pittonet...when they are down on form, or heart, or should be in the VFL as our depth.


Really appreciate the update Bondi….


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 2:00 pm 
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Just watching VFL game.

Philips is the best by far

McKenna for the Lions is better than at least 10 players we picked this round

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2025 2:11 pm 
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It is really obvious we are a basket case.

VFL and AFL. The list has been rightfully exposed.
This is the wake up call.

We keep all the good bits and find bigger, faster and stronger types than the ones who are not going to help us towards a flag.
We have a lot of good bits. Its the periphery doesn't cut it, and we need to drop players when they are out of form.

Can't allow Austin to make decisions on delistings.
Like SOS before him, he will keep average players to avoid scrutiny.
I hope Wright knows where all these diamonds in the rough are.
They are probably 23-26 yo these days. Just what we need.

Wholesale change of Football Dept.

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