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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2025 4:35 pm 
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There was a bunch of fantastic forward 50 entries in the VFL last night. From AFL listed players too.


Yes , they were moving targets unlike the seniors who are statues .

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 4:34 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 4:46 pm 
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Carlton isn’t short on talent. Patrick Cripps remains one of the league’s toughest competitors. Sam Walsh runs like he’s powered by Duracell batteries. Charlie Curnow is a two-time Coleman Medalist. Jacob Weitering, George Hewett, Blake Acres, and Adam Cerra are all legitimate A-graders.


I stopped reading after the Blake Acres legitimate A grader bit…

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 4:49 pm 
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GWS wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
https://apple.news/ANHaGAEzURBquTFUJFvtzPw

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Carlton isn’t short on talent. Patrick Cripps remains one of the league’s toughest competitors. Sam Walsh runs like he’s powered by Duracell batteries. Charlie Curnow is a two-time Coleman Medalist. Jacob Weitering, George Hewett, Blake Acres, and Adam Cerra are all legitimate A-graders.


I stopped reading after the Blake Acres legitimate A grader bit…

:lol:


Fair. I must have skipped over that part.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2025 5:01 pm 
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GWS wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
https://apple.news/ANHaGAEzURBquTFUJFvtzPw

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Carlton isn’t short on talent. Patrick Cripps remains one of the league’s toughest competitors. Sam Walsh runs like he’s powered by Duracell batteries. Charlie Curnow is a two-time Coleman Medalist. Jacob Weitering, George Hewett, Blake Acres, and Adam Cerra are all legitimate A-graders.


I stopped reading after the Blake Acres legitimate A grader bit…

:lol:


Guess we found the guy who gave TDK best on ground for us on Friday.

Although to be fair, Acres does start with an A.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:31 am 
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GWS wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
https://apple.news/ANHaGAEzURBquTFUJFvtzPw

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Carlton isn’t short on talent. Patrick Cripps remains one of the league’s toughest competitors. Sam Walsh runs like he’s powered by Duracell batteries. Charlie Curnow is a two-time Coleman Medalist. Jacob Weitering, George Hewett, Blake Acres, and Adam Cerra are all legitimate A-graders.


I stopped reading after the Blake Acres legitimate A grader bit…

:lol:

I stopped reading after I seen that it was the Roar.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:35 am 
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Two years ago we had depth of middle aged players, but the depth players were too injury prone in the long run, so we got rid of them and replaced them with a bunch of youngsters. So we now have no depth. A dumbbell list with a big hole in the middle age bracket.

Not sure you can classify players that can't get on the park due to chronic injuries as depth... on paper maybe

What we did do is trade away scapegoats like Fisher, Dow and to a lesser extent, Owies...

Kennedy would've been handy this year... but he had poor skills... but not at the Dogs


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2025 56.9%
2024 60.4%
2023 63.7%
2022 62.4%
2021 57.2%

Yep, much better at the Dogs. :banghead:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:50 am 
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Hornet wrote:
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Hornet wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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The problem with the game plan...

It requires Cripps to be in Brownlow form...
It requires Curnow to be in Coleman form...
It requires Weitering to be in AA form...

...to have any chance. We lose these 3 to LTI's and then we're truly [REDACTED].

Players unavailable is an issue but there's problem with treating an injury list amount as an arbitrary number. Most players you should be able to replace as the next man up... in a proper system based plan.


True.

Except your last line seems to be contadictive.

Injury is an issue, but a number doesn’t represent a tipping point?

Not arbitrary at all. It’s empirical and we have not been able to win with more than 8 out, consistently, even against the bottom teams. Fact. Says something about our list.

We had 6 kids, not one which is what Pies had. Can’t put a seasoned head on 6. We are spread too thin and promoting players to get games into them, not the panacea to fill a gap…..we had 10 gaps to fill. There’s a breaking point. We know what it is. No point ignoring it, believing another coach can weave their magic to overcome inexperience and unproven kids.

Ok, let's use your theory...

Collingwood's injury list is bigger than ours... didn't stop them making us look foolish


I think you’re missing the point, our total list lacks depth so eight out all out.

Collingwood’s list does have depth so they can cope with many more injuries than we can.

Like X said, it's who is injured rather than how many...

Pies depth players go ok playing their roles... they even have the luxury of resting 5 of the best v Freo away and still getting the job done... how would they go under Voss' bomb, bomb, bomb system? who knows...

Remember two years ago we had great depth, we were winning, Carlton supporters were happy... this year prior to round 1, with this list, some even predicted a top 4 finish, only to now have changed their tune. 2 years ago mad skillz... today no skills? Have you factored in that the game speed has changed massively in the last 2 years and because we lack leg speed we have to move the ball faster, which in most cases is kicking long to contests or out numbered players. Who often get beaten by more agile, faster opponents.

I'll give the coaches some credit as they identified that we can't go forward playing the way we did, so they tweaked things a bit and it worked to address a weakness, unfortunately it's created another weakness. We're better defensively but now struggle to kick a winning score. It's created uncertainty and confusion.
Having forwards missing easy shots on goals especially with the amount of service that goes into the F50 is the only uncertainty I can think of. This alone causes a lack of trust and confusion in the team.

The game plan is unsustainable for this group...
Sounds like a list issue? Especially when you factor in the speed of the game has changed.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 3:30 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
GWS wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
https://apple.news/ANHaGAEzURBquTFUJFvtzPw

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Carlton isn’t short on talent. Patrick Cripps remains one of the league’s toughest competitors. Sam Walsh runs like he’s powered by Duracell batteries. Charlie Curnow is a two-time Coleman Medalist. Jacob Weitering, George Hewett, Blake Acres, and Adam Cerra are all legitimate A-graders.


I stopped reading after the Blake Acres legitimate A grader bit…

:lol:

I stopped reading after I seen that it was the Roar.


haha

I have no qualms with those suggesting its time to change Coach, but have a real problem when his value of players proves he has no idea we are lacking in skills, and he doesnt mention Vossy's win loss record.

Blake Acres an A grader. :lol: He peaked in 2023. Hasn'ty been the same since. Great use of his body defending in traffic, but when ball is in his hands...its not even C grade.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 6:43 pm 
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I don't think anyone here thought Kennedy was a bad kick; his "worst f50 entries" stat was more a source of amusement than anything
Last year someone here was throwing that stat around as justification for him being a poor kick.

Honestly couldn't tell you who it was off the top of my head, but I remember it, because I lost my shit. :P

Granted, in the heat of the moment, we all say some pretty stupid things around here. So maybe I'm paying it more attention than I should.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:01 pm 
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Apparently the AFL Integrity Unit is investigating a threat against Voss.

CARLTON has been made aware of a heinous and inappropriate message directed at under siege coach Michael Voss in the wake of the club’s horror form slump.

The Blues confirmed to the Herald Sun they were aware of an aggressive threat from a fan directed at Voss which had been received by the league last week.

The AFL integrity department is handling the matter.

The club denounced the vile language used in the message and said it would not stand for any threats or intimidation against any of its staff or players including the senior coach.

A senior football figure confirmed Carlton and league officials were concerned by the contents of the message and said the inappropriate nature of it was being taken seriously.

The club has branded the message completely unacceptable but it had not been considered a death threat.

The AFL will consider extra security measures for Voss and any Carlton staff as necessary.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:04 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
GWS wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
https://apple.news/ANHaGAEzURBquTFUJFvtzPw

Ouch


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Carlton isn’t short on talent. Patrick Cripps remains one of the league’s toughest competitors. Sam Walsh runs like he’s powered by Duracell batteries. Charlie Curnow is a two-time Coleman Medalist. Jacob Weitering, George Hewett, Blake Acres, and Adam Cerra are all legitimate A-graders.


I stopped reading after the Blake Acres legitimate A grader bit…

:lol:

I stopped reading after I seen that it was the Roar.


haha

I have no qualms with those suggesting its time to change Coach, but have a real problem when his value of players proves he has no idea we are lacking in skills, and he doesnt mention Vossy's win loss record.

Blake Acres an A grader. :lol: He peaked in 2023. Hasn'ty been the same since. Great use of his body defending in traffic, but when ball is in his hands...its not even C grade.

100%.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:10 pm 
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Which one of you has been sending threats to Vossy

My money is one Braithy

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 8:53 pm 
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It's a sick world we live in, isn't it.

It's just a game, people.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:03 pm 
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BamBam7 wrote:
It's a sick world we live in, isn't it.

It's just a game, people.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:21 pm 
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So the threats were real.

FFS people, pull your @#$%&! heads in!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2025 10:36 pm 
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Don't look at me, I sprayed Keep Voss. Whoops, I mean sayed.


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