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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 9:36 am 
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Harry Vallence

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DesEnglish wrote:
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When Charlie Goes shaking opposition hands after half time & wants to joke around with them plus Motlop wanting to play with his play station after kicking a goal, You know how Mentally broken these players have become!


I don't know if it was just me or anyone else noticing it, but tonight I saw something beyond Disturbing:

** Every time I saw Cerra kick the ball, he turned it over. Literally
** Every time I saw Acres kick the ball, he Turned it over
** Every time I saw Doc run out of defence, he turned it over.
** Every time I saw Hewett get a position, he refused to kick it in fear of turning it over, so he just handballed it

Can someone plz check if Hewett in fact had any kicks for the entire Game? I really don't think he did!


Not defending Motlop across the game, but the PlayStation thing was an acknowledgment of a guy that died.


Then acknowledge it elsewhere. He can go and start a podcast or something where he can make his acknowledgements. His actions in the circumstances are not appreciated by the team he plays for SUPPORTERS.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 9:49 am 
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You can sum up the mind set of the players in one passage of play.
Acres marks 40 out not much angle. He then kicks to Lord 45 out on the same angle but un favoured side. Who then hand passes to McGovern running by who tries to kick it from 50 plus on the run.

Zero confidence in their own abilities so don't want to take on the responsibility.

And there were several other instances where we had momentum running towards goal with a head of steam and instead of taking the shot tried to pin point passes to a player who had a pies player right up his backside.

Take the bloody shot

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:15 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
You can sum up the mind set of the players in one passage of play.
Acres marks 40 out not much angle. He then kicks to Lord 45 out on the same angle but un favoured side. Who then hand passes to McGovern running by who tries to kick it from 50 plus on the run.

Zero confidence in their own abilities so don't want to take on the responsibility.

And there were several other instances where we had momentum running towards goal with a head of steam and instead of taking the shot tried to pin point passes to a player who had a pies player right up his backside.

Take the bloody shot

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So true

We make the easy look hard

Also shows low IQ and a lack of a system

Surely at training it’s drummed into them to take a shot 40 metres out


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:38 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
The difference between the 2 sides last night is the difference between the pairs list management. Collingwood are not obsessed with going to the draft or trading up for picks. Macrae said last year I need players not picks.
They had just as many first choice players out as we did but weren't relying on 19 and 20 year olds to fill there spots.

Looking for established players that add to depth appears looking at ladder leaders to be a far better strategy than going to the draft.
SPS Obrien Dow Stocker Carroll should have all been part of our team. But going to the draft and picking 1st year apprentices and hoping they are going to be gun trades i 4 years is very risky. All other Industries in Australia have worked this out years ago and it is been more beneficial to bring skills from elsewhere. It's okay to have 1 or 2 coming through but when you have 17 apprentices of which maybe 3 will come good is to risky.
With that many it requires a lot of development spread over a lot of players with limited resources to develop them properly. Go and get honest tradesman that can fill a need in your workplace

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Spot on SB. The dumbbell list.

“Give me players not picks”
That’s the attitude required if your ultimate goal Is a flag and your window is open.
That was also the attitude of Carlton in our Golden era.
Know your gaps, get rid of weal bits and fill the gaps.

You can blame salary cap all you like, but blaming doesn’t fix things.
Pies proved salary cap constraints are not a death sentence.

We have never spent our salary cap since Austin has taken control of List.
SOS saved his 105% SC and used it to front load coz he couldn’t land a big fish.
Martin and Gov is all SOS could muster. Hardly big fish.

Houston wasn’t the answer either. He’s not worth 800K.
We need good honest tradesmen around the core.

Have a look at the cheap tradies we DID find: Hewett Haynes Newman
All from clubs with a better culture, not the draft.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:40 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
Liked Williams, Cowan, Hollands and Carroll.
Thought Pitto at least battled away.
Moir didn’t get a lot, but when he touched it usually something happened.
…..and that’s about it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:41 am 
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WOW wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
You can sum up the mind set of the players in one passage of play.
Acres marks 40 out not much angle. He then kicks to Lord 45 out on the same angle but un favoured side. Who then hand passes to McGovern running by who tries to kick it from 50 plus on the run.

Zero confidence in their own abilities so don't want to take on the responsibility.

And there were several other instances where we had momentum running towards goal with a head of steam and instead of taking the shot tried to pin point passes to a player who had a pies player right up his backside.

Take the bloody shot

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So true

We make the easy look hard

Also shows low IQ and a lack of a system

Surely at training it’s drummed into them to take a shot 40 metres out


You’re right. It’s a bit of a lot of things.

Braithy has been trying to say that but gets lost on one issue to prove one point.
The game plan may be good, but it doesn’t suit our profile when we have more than 8 out injured.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 10:55 am 
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Hewett was the glue in the team
Don’t criticise him
He wins hard ball or makes it neutral
He does his job.
He’s not the play maker, and line breaker.

I think he’s smart not bombing it forward just to increase his kicking stats.
That just falls into Pies trap.
They were on and closed space. The bought the heat. We didn’t.

Pies get away with a lot of pushing in the back.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:21 am 
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2 inside 50 tackles.
1 was from Pittonet.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:43 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
2 inside 50 tackles.
1 was from Pittonet.


That's a good point. They have 3-4 small forwards who are there primarily to bring tackling pressure. They can't even do that.

The defence and midfield (without injuries) is relatively strong. The forward line is a mess.

No one can take a mark (outside McKay and Curnow). No small forward, tall forward, no one.

Even ones you think can take a mark, rarely do.

De Koening...he's taken 43 marks for the season (he gets at least some time forward)...why can't he mark it more?
Haynes (a defender) is the number 1 mark taker with 134 marks. He deserves another season in my view.

Fantasia 13 marks for the season so far.
Durdin 24 marks.

Whoever is recruiting these players, surely needs to review their notes on whether they can at least mark the ball. I miss Matthew Owies...he could at least take a mark.

Owies 67 marks last year, 33 goals.
Acres can mark the bloody ball. 138 marks last year. Bloody well put him in the forward line. It can't get worse.

Btw -
What's the point of having ruckmen who can't mark the ball? DeKoening (43) and Pittonet (4) marks between them. The Collingwood ruckman Darcy Cameron has taken 78 marks.
Do they do marking practise?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:45 am 
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Even at lower levels if your are in your range of the sticks, have a ping

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:53 am 
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Yep
Inside 50 tackles 2 vs 13 (yes two)
Contested marks 7 vs 22
Other basic stats not that dramatically lopsided given we lost by 10 goals


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 12:51 pm 
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We made a major blue in dropping L Young, we badly needed a mature strong body tall both in defence and in attack. Imagine constantly asking Moir to be the sole key forward against Moore for a large part of the match?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:40 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
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Not defending Motlop across the game, but the PlayStation thing was an acknowledgment of a guy that died.


Then acknowledge it elsewhere. He can go and start a podcast or something where he can make his acknowledgements. His actions in the circumstances are not appreciated by the team he plays for SUPPORTERS.


It's one thing to be annoyed when you don't know what it's about, but to double down when you've had it explained is pretty low.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 4:24 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
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The players are lost on field. They aren’t sure of their structures, their movements or their setups. They are running around pointing fingers and blaming each other. They have lost belief and confidence. It’s so obviuos.
The coaches are clueless withe placements of McGovern back on Elliott, Moir deep forward, HoK on Micheak, are just 3 that had me scratching my head from the start of the game.
Just make the change - we need too.


Surrey - so let me ask.... put your "coach" hat on and tell me given the players out there tonite (or any other game), what would u do?

Out list is a shambles - end of story. You could have a coach that can walk on water - and even then they could not change what we have seen here....


As an argument, let’s say it’s not game plan and players therefore haven’t lost faith in the system and it’s the group who can’t kick, run, mark or play at an AFL level. My goodness, you believe that, then I feel for you, but alas, let’s pretend.

Sigh Its the list Surrey which is unable to play a modern gameplan We also have many players who lack skill and pace.

You want to keep Voss, then you need to trade every single one of our core players who can’t play, as you say, including Weits, Charlie and Cripps. These three are terrible currently. I doubt very much you’ll be able to trade everyone, in one hit so either way, you’ll set the club back another 10 years, because if none of them apart of a few can’t play the modern way, then removing one or two or three players will not work. In essence, we now know Voss can’t set a culture so by the time all players are upgraded, the old group will just infect the new group with their bad habits of kicking, hand balling or more importantly individualism culture.

I never said blow up the club and trade out the lot. The club set itself back years with inept and incompetent list management. We have seen the results of that for years. This season its no different cause guess what the list is basically the same as what it was when Voss started as coach,

I think it’s too late for Voss. He needed to make a statement within the first month of this year. He didn’t and showed a weakness, which is now irreparably due to no one believing in him or his game plan. Unfortunately, I tuned in at 3 quarter time and was watching the leaders being talked too by Voss. That was embarrassing, as not one of them was truly invested, or half engaged in the discussion.

Voss still has the best win/loss record since Parkin (I think). The list, his assistants and some board members need to be "adjusted". IF they jump on Voss - that will be what 4 coaches in 10 years or similar???? WTF???

Bring in a new coaching ‘team’ who are willing to play hard ball and take ownership from the start. The football department will need to be aligned with the coaching group. I’d say the whole football department, including all coaches and admins aren’t aligned. We also know the new coach will need to be a serious b@$tard that doesn’t take bulldust form the players and makes the hard calls when and as needed. Then weave through who isn’t or doesn’t want to be on the same page and make the hard calls every week, month and year.

agree the fooball department needs an overhaul and the assistant coaches do too.

It’s time to get a serious coaching group who are backed by a hard assed football department and who take the lead and set the standards. We haven’t had one for a very, very, very long time. I can also guess when the club as whole went off the direct road, but that is best at another time.

Unfortunately I feel our last premiership was the start of our new club culture…..

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 4:56 pm 
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list is no good ,hasnt been good for 2 years and last night game shows how far behind we are . Our problems started in that final 60 /0 and what has changed from that night ,we are still SLOW,same u12 game plan,turnovers and this is why i said after watching a PRACTICE match nothing changed and F.....k Austin gave away our first rnd pick to ,very sad our club.


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