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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 10:27 pm 
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I thought Moir was a positive I’d keep Playing him.
not too sure about O’Farrell hard to know when we have played him against 2 really experienced forward lines in pies and gws thrown to the wolves we should have played Lewis back tonight.

I love everything about acres but he just can’t hit a target.
Docherty has been a servant but let him go to another club if he can to have some joy in football.
Haynes has played good but been a waste really just taking the spot of the future.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 10:29 pm 
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Liked Williams, Cowan, Hollands and Carroll.
Thought Pitto at least battled away.
Moir didn’t get a lot, but when he touched it usually something happened.
…..and that’s about it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 10:29 pm 
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When Charlie Goes shaking opposition hands after half time & wants to joke around with them plus Motlop wanting to play with his play station after kicking a goal, You know how Mentally broken these players have become!


I don't know if it was just me or anyone else noticing it, but tonight I saw something beyond Disturbing:

** Every time I saw Cerra kick the ball, he turned it over. Literally
** Every time I saw Acres kick the ball, he Turned it over
** Every time I saw Doc run out of defence, he turned it over.
** Every time I saw Hewett get a position, he refused to kick it in fear of turning it over, so he just handballed it

Can someone plz check if Hewett in fact had any kicks for the entire Game? I really don't think he did!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 10:32 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:
When Charlie Goes shaking opposition hands after half time & wants to joke around with them plus Motlop wanting to play with his play station after kicking a goal, You know how Mentally broken these players have become!


I don't know if it was just me or anyone else noticing it, but tonight I saw something beyond Disturbing:

** Every time I saw Cerra kick the ball, he turned it over. Literally
** Every time I saw Acres kick the ball, he Turned it over
** Every time I saw Doc run out of defence, he turned it over.
** Every time I saw Hewett get a position, he refused to kick it in fear of turning it over, so he just handballed it

Can someone plz check if Hewett in fact had any kicks for the entire Game? I really don't think he did!


Not defending Motlop across the game, but the PlayStation thing was an acknowledgment of a guy that died.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 10:35 pm 
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Not that I care much anymore, but the biggest red flag to me was that Vossy (who i like) was in a box with no one , other than a wall, next to him on the left. What was that other than saying to the world that no one is listening.
I support our boys but, after tonight, TDK- offer is reduced to 750K. Aint that good . My only marque keepers are JW and Charlie. Everyone else on the table. Not that we have much to put on the table.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 10:39 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:

Can someone plz check if Hewett in fact had any kicks for the entire Game? I really don't think he did!



15 handballs
Three kicks.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 10:41 pm 
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About as expected. Really, Pies didn't seem like they got out of second gear for us.

Pitto did some nice work

Cerra's first half was awful.

Our kicking & tackling were just so sub standard. Evans is a decent VFL player & that's it.

I stopped watching & got some work done after half time

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 11:06 pm 
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The players are lost on field. They aren’t sure of their structures, their movements or their setups. They are running around pointing fingers and blaming each other. They have lost belief and confidence. It’s so obviuos.
The coaches are clueless withe placements of McGovern back on Elliott, Moir deep forward, HoK on Micheak, are just 3 that had me scratching my head from the start of the game.
Just make the change - we need too.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 11:08 pm 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
Uncoachable list. Put whoever you want at the helm, it’s still the Titanic.


Thank u Scotty - A very astute comment which I 1000000000% agree wth, and have said as such many, many, many times on this site - at least one other person is onto it.

Pretty much EVERY time we had an attacking, positive movement forward - EVERY time the linkage from the person delivering into the forward line to the forward - was useless. On the flipside and escpecially in the third quarter, every single forward attacking entry from Collingwood, either hit the target, or was put into the best spot to allow for (wait for it) their SKILLFULL mids. small forwards etc to either create goals or kick them.

That aint the coach. Thats your list.....

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 11:12 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
The players are lost on field. They aren’t sure of their structures, their movements or their setups. They are running around pointing fingers and blaming each other. They have lost belief and confidence. It’s so obviuos.
The coaches are clueless withe placements of McGovern back on Elliott, Moir deep forward, HoK on Micheak, are just 3 that had me scratching my head from the start of the game.
Just make the change - we need too.


Surrey - so let me ask.... put your "coach" hat on and tell me given the players out there tonite (or any other game), what would u do?

Out list is a shambles - end of story. You could have a coach that can walk on water - and even then they could not change what we have seen here....

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 11:13 pm 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
Uncoachable list. Put whoever you want at the helm, it’s still the Titanic.


Yep, being saying this for years. Need a full clean out

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2025 11:40 pm 
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mymanmurph wrote:
I thought Moir was a positive I’d keep Playing him.
not too sure about O’Farrell hard to know when we have played him against 2 really experienced forward lines in pies and gws thrown to the wolves we should have played Lewis back tonight.

I love everything about acres but he just can’t hit a target.
Docherty has been a servant but let him go to another club if he can to have some joy in football.
Haynes has played good but been a waste really just taking the spot of the future.


"I love everything about acres but he just can’t hit a target."

I cannot stand Acres anymore.

How do you "love everything...but he just can't hot a target" ???? WTF ???

How can you love a player who turns the ball over consistently?

And he consistently hangs back when ball is to be won.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 12:10 am 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
The players are lost on field. They aren’t sure of their structures, their movements or their setups. They are running around pointing fingers and blaming each other. They have lost belief and confidence. It’s so obviuos.
The coaches are clueless withe placements of McGovern back on Elliott, Moir deep forward, HoK on Micheak, are just 3 that had me scratching my head from the start of the game.
Just make the change - we need too.


Surrey - so let me ask.... put your "coach" hat on and tell me given the players out there tonite (or any other game), what would u do?

Out list is a shambles - end of story. You could have a coach that can walk on water - and even then they could not change what we have seen here....


As an argument, let’s say it’s not game plan and players therefore haven’t lost faith in the system and it’s the group who can’t kick, run, mark or play at an AFL level. My goodness, you believe that, then I feel for you, but alas, let’s pretend.

You want to keep Voss, then you need to trade every single one of our core players who can’t play, as you say, including Weits, Charlie and Cripps. These three are terrible currently. I doubt very much you’ll be able to trade everyone, in one hit so either way, you’ll set the club back another 10 years, because if none of them apart of a few can’t play the modern way, then removing one or two or three players will not work. In essence, we now know Voss can’t set a culture so by the time all players are upgraded, the old group will just infect the new group with their bad habits of kicking, hand balling or more importantly individualism culture.

I think it’s too late for Voss. He needed to make a statement within the first month of this year. He didn’t and showed a weakness, which is now irreparably due to no one believing in him or his game plan. Unfortunately, I tuned in at 3 quarter time and was watching the leaders being talked too by Voss. That was embarrassing, as not one of them was truly invested, or half engaged in the discussion.

Bring in a new coaching ‘team’ who are willing to play hard ball and take ownership from the start. The football department will need to be aligned with the coaching group. I’d say the whole football department, including all coaches and admins aren’t aligned. We also know the new coach will need to be a serious b@$tard that doesn’t take bulldust form the players and makes the hard calls when and as needed. Then weave through who isn’t or doesn’t want to be on the same page and make the hard calls every week, month and year.

It’s time to get a serious coaching group who are backed by a hard assed football department and who take the lead and set the standards. We haven’t had one for a very, very, very long time. I can also guess when the club as whole went off the direct road, but that is best at another time.

Unfortunately I feel our last premiership was the start of our new club culture…..


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 12:37 am 
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I didn't watch it. I went to see a band play. And you know what. I didn't miss it. Not one bit. I couldn't give a @#$%&! any more. We've completely blown the rebuild. A decade wasted. A decade away from having anther chance to climb again. It will honestly be better for my well being if I just give up on it. I can't do it any more

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 4:27 am 
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I'm not so sure a hard assed coach is the answer though Surrey. We were thinking that when we went for Malthouse.

We sure as hell need a better strategist though.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:13 am 
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Has anyone watched a replay of our games on silent with Bette Midler’s Rose playing in the background?

Not as depressing as watching the game live which is saying something.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:59 am 
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The difference between the 2 sides last night is the difference between the pairs list management. Collingwood are not obsessed with going to the draft or trading up for picks. Macrae said last year I need players not picks.
They had just as many first choice players out as we did but weren't relying on 19 and 20 year olds to fill there spots.

Looking for established players that add to depth appears looking at ladder leaders to be a far better strategy than going to the draft.
SPS Obrien Dow Stocker Carroll should have all been part of our team. But going to the draft and picking 1st year apprentices and hoping they are going to be gun trades i 4 years is very risky. All other Industries in Australia have worked this out years ago and it is been more beneficial to bring skills from elsewhere. It's okay to have 1 or 2 coming through but when you have 17 apprentices of which maybe 3 will come good is to risky.
With that many it requires a lot of development spread over a lot of players with limited resources to develop them properly. Go and get honest tradesman that can fill a need in your workplace

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 8:01 am 
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Score sources and origin

Turnover
Pies 11.6.72
Blues 4.4.28

Centre bounce
Pies 4.0.24
Blues 0.2.2

Defensive half
Pies 6.5.41
Blues 2.5.17

Stoppage
Pies 6.6.42
Blues 4.6.30

Forward half
Pies 7.8.50
Blues 6.4.40

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 8:48 am 
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lucablue wrote:
mymanmurph wrote:
I thought Moir was a positive I’d keep Playing him.
not too sure about O’Farrell hard to know when we have played him against 2 really experienced forward lines in pies and gws thrown to the wolves we should have played Lewis back tonight.

I love everything about acres but he just can’t hit a target.
Docherty has been a servant but let him go to another club if he can to have some joy in football.
Haynes has played good but been a waste really just taking the spot of the future.


"I love everything about acres but he just can’t hit a target."

I cannot stand Acres anymore.

How do you "love everything...but he just can't hot a target" ???? WTF ???

How can you love a player who turns the ball over consistently?


And he consistently hangs back when ball is to be won.


As a winger he keeps his width, runs defensively, breaks the lines offensively but like I said he can’t kick so turns it over, which makes him unplayable. Also Would have thought not his role as a winger to get after every hardball we have plenty of players for that.
if everyone gets sucked into the contest your not going to get far.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2025 8:52 am 
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McRae owns Voss... 7-1 win/loss record

System v whatever the @#$%&! we're trying to do...

He's embarrassed Voss many times and now looks like he's put the final nail in his coaching coffin.

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