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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:31 pm 
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Just because we wouldn’t blink in delisting Duffy, doesn’t mean we can.

Cat. B - International rookies come with a two year commitment, so we’d need to get clarification from the A-Team at HQ. We recruited him the same trip as Monahan, but he arrived 12 months later since he did an ACL.

I can’t remember if we carried a vacant spot into the season (filled by Cooper Lord at the MSD), and I don’t know if that would contribute to any decision.

Bit of a shame all round, really. Monahan is just starting to understand the game, albeit at a suburban half back level. Both of them have grown into the athletic hybrid size that we lack in the forward line - which is the role they were recruited for.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:35 pm 
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TDK to Saints
Grab Riley in the draft
Should get a great compo to get Bergman
Might have to give up another late pick but he is the sort of player we need
He is better than Houston because he can play mid
Trade out McKay and Cripps
Get some more picks
Trade out McGovern Williams Saad and Acres
Hopefully get some draft capital there
Make Walsh captain


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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love sammy ... but we should be shopping him before he breaks down completely, not making him captain.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:34 pm 
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Newman I reckon would make a great captain but he is too old
Walsh is the right age
Does need to get his body right but Newman would make a great mentor and Vice Captain
SOJ is the only other candidate

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:48 pm 
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Just because we wouldn’t blink in delisting Duffy, doesn’t mean we can.

Cat. B - International rookies come with a two year commitment, so we’d need to get clarification from the A-Team at HQ. We recruited him the same trip as Monahan, but he arrived 12 months later since he did an ACL.

I can’t remember if we carried a vacant spot into the season (filled by Cooper Lord at the MSD), and I don’t know if that would contribute to any decision.

Bit of a shame all round, really. Monahan is just starting to understand the game, albeit at a suburban half back level. Both of them have grown into the athletic hybrid size that we lack in the forward line - which is the role they were recruited for.


Good find Cru

We filled Duffy's spot.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:50 pm 
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With the significant contract being offered to the 25-year-old, it may be a no-brainer to jump ship and secure financial freedom, however with the current state of the Saints’ list, will a move to Moorabbin sacrifice any chance of success within the AFL?

“Carlton have told him ‘look, we have to start planning for life without you. While you wrestle with your playing future, we need to get a move on’,” SEN’s Sam Edmund told Crunch Time.

“There have been reports this week about the meeting with TDK and Carlton’s incoming CEO Graham Wright and renewed optimism about that meeting, but Blues powerbrokers are completely in the dark about his decision.

“Truth is he would prefer to stay at Carlton but money is the obvious and significant temptation.

“Carlton wants him to stay but their offer is not budging; $1m a year for seven and it is dwarfed by Saints 1.7 for the same tenure.”

In terms of what things look like for Carlton in 2026 and beyond, Edmund added: “The Blues are active in trade conversations at the moment.

“That’s not to say they will replace like-for-like, but they’re conscious they need runners and ball users.

“They can back out of their conversations if TDK backs out of Saints and resigns.

“The curiosity here is that players won’t tell their clubs. If TDK is set on joining Saints he’s not going to tell them now with half a season to run.

“The only answer he can give is “I’m staying” and he’s not prepared to do that at the moment.”


Planning without TDK. Smart move.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Exclusive - Miles Bergman is on the cusp of signing a new two-year deal at Port Adelaide.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Exclusive - Miles Bergman is on the cusp of signing a new two-year deal at Port Adelaide.


He saw the grass on the other side, and it was brown, dusty and dead.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 5:33 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
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Callum Twomey
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Exclusive - Miles Bergman is on the cusp of signing a new two-year deal at Port Adelaide.


He saw the grass on the other side, and it was brown, dusty and dead.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Exclusive - Miles Bergman is on the cusp of signing a new two-year deal at Port Adelaide.

What really frustrates me about this is that we are rarely in the conversation for talented players in positions that we need.
While clubs like Geelong seem to always be in the conversation even if they don't get them or are really into them.
They seem to be using a net strategy while we opt for a hand line.

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Bergman has been hunted from multiple suitors in Victoria as he has strongly weighed a return to his home state, with the Western Bulldogs, Essendon*, Melbourne, St Kilda and Geelong all in the mix for the 23-year-old.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1354910/port-adelaide-power-star-miles-bergman-set-to-turn-down-monster-victorian-offers-at-star-in-south-australia


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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keogh wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Effes wrote:
Callum Twomey
@CalTwomey
Exclusive - Miles Bergman is on the cusp of signing a new two-year deal at Port Adelaide.


He saw the grass on the other side, and it was brown, dusty and dead.


Don’t blame him
What would you want to come to a rabble


StKilda Collingwood Geelong Doggies Druggies looking at him, not Carlton.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 11:58 am 
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Effes wrote:
Callum Twomey
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Exclusive - Miles Bergman is on the cusp of signing a new two-year deal at Port Adelaide.

What really frustrates me about this is that we are rarely in the conversation for talented players in positions that we need.
While clubs like Geelong seem to always be in the conversation even if they don't get them or are really into them.
They seem to be using a net strategy while we opt for a hand line.

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Bergman has been hunted from multiple suitors in Victoria as he has strongly weighed a return to his home state, with the Western Bulldogs, Essendon**, Melbourne, St Kilda and Geelong all in the mix for the 23-year-old.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1354910/port-adelaide-power-star-miles-bergman-set-to-turn-down-monster-victorian-offers-at-star-in-south-australia


Shits me.

Its not a salary cap issue. Its a brain fade, as to what our No 1 objective is.

We had $800K last year for Houston. That may have made up the 95% or part of the savings over 95%, which is approx $1.7M, ie we still have $900K spare if taken out of savings.

Here's more fat. Simple to understand, even for braithy:

Marchbank, Martin, Cuningham, Kennedy, Owies, Carrol, Mirkov, Durdin, Akuei (NGA)= $2.5M+

Jagga, Camo, Campo, OFarrell, Boyd (promote), Haynes, Duffy (NGA), Lord, Evans = $ 1.1M

That leaves Austin with $1.4M change, add that to Houston's $800K and Austin has $2.2M plus the change from the savings, another $900K

That's what Austin is doing. He's saving. He's not spending. He thinks the list is 2nd best in the AFL. He has overrated the list. He's not building this list for a flag because he thinks its flag ready now.

This will be easy for Wright to fix up. He will let TDK walk, saving him another $1M, and in the next 2 years, will have looking like a premiership contender.

The players are not playing for the coach imo, so maybe the list isn't as bad as we think, just the depth sucks.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 6:24 pm 
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Harry McKay for Will McLachlan and future second rounder


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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 6:34 pm 
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I have a cunning plan
Let's trade 2 x 1st round 1 x 2nd round pick a 30 odd goal a year small forward and a pick in the 70's and in return we get pick 3 63 and 68 and we can use those to select 2 unknown 18 year olds.

We paid more for Jagga and Luke than we did for Judd and Armfield.

You could list on one hand the current players in the AFL who you would give up 2 x 1st and 1 x 2nd plus change.

The very first list management decision is to remove the list manager

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 8:22 pm 
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Harry McKay for Will McLachlan and future second rounder

:lol: Get off the grass.

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 Post subject: List Management 2025
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Harry McKay for Gill McLachlan and future fourth rounder

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Harry McKay for Gill McLachlan and future fourth rounder

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Only if we can guarantee Hamish isn’t the future fourth rounder.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 8:38 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Effes wrote:
Callum Twomey
@CalTwomey
Exclusive - Miles Bergman is on the cusp of signing a new two-year deal at Port Adelaide.

What really frustrates me about this is that we are rarely in the conversation for talented players in positions that we need.
While clubs like Geelong seem to always be in the conversation even if they don't get them or are really into them.
They seem to be using a net strategy while we opt for a hand line.

Quote:
Bergman has been hunted from multiple suitors in Victoria as he has strongly weighed a return to his home state, with the Western Bulldogs, Essendon***, Melbourne, St Kilda and Geelong all in the mix for the 23-year-old.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1354910/port-adelaide-power-star-miles-bergman-set-to-turn-down-monster-victorian-offers-at-star-in-south-australia


Shits me.

Its not a salary cap issue. Its a brain fade, as to what our No 1 objective is.

We had $800K last year for Houston. That may have made up the 95% or part of the savings over 95%, which is approx $1.7M, ie we still have $900K spare if taken out of savings.

Here's more fat. Simple to understand, even for braithy:

Marchbank, Martin, Cuningham, Kennedy, Owies, Carrol, Mirkov, Durdin, Akuei (NGA)= $2.5M+

Jagga, Camo, Campo, OFarrell, Boyd (promote), Haynes, Duffy (NGA), Lord, Evans = $ 1.1M

That leaves Austin with $1.4M change, add that to Houston's $800K and Austin has $2.2M plus the change from the savings, another $900K

That's what Austin is doing. He's saving. He's not spending. He thinks the list is 2nd best in the AFL. He has overrated the list. He's not building this list for a flag because he thinks its flag ready now.

This will be easy for Wright to fix up. He will let TDK walk, saving him another $1M, and in the next 2 years, will have looking like a premiership contender.

The players are not playing for the coach imo, so maybe the list isn't as bad as we think, just the depth sucks.


no mate, we didn't. we had to move a prime contract (harry) or 2 or 3 small to mid contracts to absorb houston's salary.

inexplicable once we did that (owies, kennedy and who was the other we let go?) we didn't like the asking price from port so went all out for a draft pick - who was never going to come in and help season 25-26 and it would be 27 at the very earliest before he can really influence this list in a winning way.

there's been no connection in our list building. like a toddler throwing pasta against the wall. lets see what sticks and mash it all together and cross our fingers it works out. madness


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 10:06 am 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Effes wrote:
Callum Twomey
@CalTwomey
Exclusive - Miles Bergman is on the cusp of signing a new two-year deal at Port Adelaide.

What really frustrates me about this is that we are rarely in the conversation for talented players in positions that we need.
While clubs like Geelong seem to always be in the conversation even if they don't get them or are really into them.
They seem to be using a net strategy while we opt for a hand line.

Quote:
Bergman has been hunted from multiple suitors in Victoria as he has strongly weighed a return to his home state, with the Western Bulldogs, Essendon****, Melbourne, St Kilda and Geelong all in the mix for the 23-year-old.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1354910/port-adelaide-power-star-miles-bergman-set-to-turn-down-monster-victorian-offers-at-star-in-south-australia


Shits me.

Its not a salary cap issue. Its a brain fade, as to what our No 1 objective is.

We had $800K last year for Houston. That may have made up the 95% or part of the savings over 95%, which is approx $1.7M, ie we still have $900K spare if taken out of savings.

Here's more fat. Simple to understand, even for braithy:

Marchbank, Martin, Cuningham, Kennedy, Owies, Carrol, Mirkov, Durdin, Akuei (NGA)= $2.5M+

Jagga, Camo, Campo, OFarrell, Boyd (promote), Haynes, Duffy (NGA), Lord, Evans = $ 1.1M

That leaves Austin with $1.4M change, add that to Houston's $800K and Austin has $2.2M plus the change from the savings, another $900K

That's what Austin is doing. He's saving. He's not spending. He thinks the list is 2nd best in the AFL. He has overrated the list. He's not building this list for a flag because he thinks its flag ready now.

This will be easy for Wright to fix up. He will let TDK walk, saving him another $1M, and in the next 2 years, will have looking like a premiership contender.

The players are not playing for the coach imo, so maybe the list isn't as bad as we think, just the depth sucks.


no mate, we didn't. we had to move a prime contract (harry) or 2 or 3 small to mid contracts to absorb houston's salary.

inexplicable once we did that (owies, kennedy and who was the other we let go?) we didn't like the asking price from port so went all out for a draft pick - who was never going to come in and help season 25-26 and it would be 27 at the very earliest before he can really influence this list in a winning way.

there's been no connection in our list building. like a toddler throwing pasta against the wall. lets see what sticks and mash it all together and cross our fingers it works out. madness


You’re making up stories again.

The Houston decision was made well before Kennedy Owies…..

You conveniently overlooked the cap savings we were left wiith after delisting sand trade, minus the cost of kids. Why? That’s $1.4M

Do you understand how the cap works? Have you heard about 105% cap?

Do you still dismiss the front loading or Martin and Williams contract? It was public knowledge. GCS couldn’t match our $1M offer in his first year.

Forget what your media mates say. Why don’t you do your own figures, or look at the ones I listed for this debate so we can nut it out and stop the make believe headlines.

You do remember you do quote from the media, sonI can’t believe a lot of the hype you bring to the table.

Surely you recall last year, or you’re making up stuff, we moved Owies and Kennedy to create picks after our first pick because we didn’t believe Ben would be a 2 nd round pick, let alone 1st round pick? We got that right and got O’Farrell with our 2nd. We had 2 Campos we were committed to. Plus we needed a space to promote Boyd from rookie status. Plus we had committed to Haynes mid year for depth and to help coach the kids.plus we wanted to keep Lord. They all take spots we didn’t have until we moved on Kennedy and Owies.

How can you keep overlooking basic facts? Stop making up crap, and look at the numbers. I put them together for YOU. No one else. Now you think because you ignored those numbers for 6 weeks, you can make up stuff again. I love you mate, but that’s not going to happen on my watch.

I’m all ears for facts and evaluation, but can’t stand media headlines shoved down my throat.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Effes wrote:
Callum Twomey
@CalTwomey
Exclusive - Miles Bergman is on the cusp of signing a new two-year deal at Port Adelaide.

What really frustrates me about this is that we are rarely in the conversation for talented players in positions that we need.
While clubs like Geelong seem to always be in the conversation even if they don't get them or are really into them.
They seem to be using a net strategy while we opt for a hand line.

Quote:
Bergman has been hunted from multiple suitors in Victoria as he has strongly weighed a return to his home state, with the Western Bulldogs, Essendon***, Melbourne, St Kilda and Geelong all in the mix for the 23-year-old.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1354910/port-adelaide-power-star-miles-bergman-set-to-turn-down-monster-victorian-offers-at-star-in-south-australia


Shits me.

Its not a salary cap issue. Its a brain fade, as to what our No 1 objective is.

We had $800K last year for Houston. That may have made up the 95% or part of the savings over 95%, which is approx $1.7M, ie we still have $900K spare if taken out of savings.

Here's more fat. Simple to understand, even for braithy:

Marchbank, Martin, Cuningham, Kennedy, Owies, Carrol, Mirkov, Durdin, Akuei (NGA)= $2.5M+

Jagga, Camo, Campo, OFarrell, Boyd (promote), Haynes, Duffy (NGA), Lord, Evans = $ 1.1M

That leaves Austin with $1.4M change, add that to Houston's $800K and Austin has $2.2M plus the change from the savings, another $900K

That's what Austin is doing. He's saving. He's not spending. He thinks the list is 2nd best in the AFL. He has overrated the list. He's not building this list for a flag because he thinks its flag ready now.

This will be easy for Wright to fix up. He will let TDK walk, saving him another $1M, and in the next 2 years, will have looking like a premiership contender.

The players are not playing for the coach imo, so maybe the list isn't as bad as we think, just the depth sucks.

My personal opinion on the playing group is not that they are not playing for the coach, it's that they are unable to play the brand of football required to win games.
We have too many 1 paced players with average ball use and average football IQ.
As a result you have a mentally fragile team and once they start to miss targets/goals or the pressure gets turned up, that's it they're easily exposed by faster more skilful players. It explains why we can only play this way for limited bursts, especially at the start of games when they have belief.
Our forward structure has also been a mess all year, we have had little to no consistency, even less reward and the loss of an on-field leader in Owies has done more damage than Austin and co predicted.
We need speed, skills and IQ and not through the draft.
An ex premiership player or 2 for more on-field leadership and pump up that midfield and wings and we will be back up there next year.
Our defence is solid and with Newman coming back it will be even tougher to beat.

But hardly being in the conversation for experienced players wanting to return to Vic is far from optimal if we want to move back up the ladder next year.
I agree we have the cap space and with TDK and possible a big trade or 2 we can be right back in the mix.


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