May God have mercy on my soul for suggesting this, but could it be in our interests for Collingwood to win the flag this season? Aside from getting rid of our delusion of grandeur re: equal most flags, it might prompt them to turn over their ancient list. Cameron and Mihocek and 1+2 draft picks in, TDK and H out? I'd do it.

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Mods I think a sizeable ban is in order


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Lifetime ban...

...and to anyone that suggests James Hird comes in at any coaching capacity

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Can I retain lurking rights if I reaffirm my belief that James Turd should never be allowed within 5000km of Carlton Football Club?

Stumpf? Are you a fan Crusader?
Good size, great 20m sprint time last year but overlooked.
I've seen a bit of his junior footy but I'm unsure how much upside he has. Lots of ability but I'm not sure how much he wants it.
Played senior footy a couple of weeks ago for his local team and performed well but it's not a great standard of footy.
I haven't watched him play overage with the Knights this year. Are they playing him in defence? He's always played forward but has only scored 4 goals in 9 games.
At least he wont cost a lot I'd suggest.

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Yeah, I am a fan, but mostly because he’s a pick 60+ type.
He’s been playing in defence for most of the year - a good old fashioned swing man type of role.
What I like about him is that he was a midfielder that grew into a key forward size. Similar to Caminiti, who I also thought was capable of the big wing role that I like for Stumpf. Same role that Nick Cox would be playing if he wasn’t busted. Not necessarily a 15km per game type of role, but an honest contest up the line in all three zones.

Besides that, he’s just a name to fill the 22nd spot. Could just as easily be a ruck - Harding, Riley, Ah Mu, or the big fella from the Rebels.

The run on mids in last year’s draft left a few bigs on the table.

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You haven't given up on retaining TDK with our offer of a million per season?

I think we have to accept that TDK is leaving. He may be saying all the right things about his team mates, but he's not saying anything about his love for the club. And, would he really give up $5M extra to play for Carlton? I think we have to assume he is leaving, and have to sort out the ruck position.

Pittonet is lame. His contract doesn't expire till the end of 2027. Break glass option against the big rucks or in desperation. He's not on much money, and maybe we keep him for one more year, and cut delist him one year early, if we can get ourselves a replacement for TDK.

Have to remember we drafted TDK end of 2017. It took him 6 years before he took the No 1 role last year. Any upside he has will be at St Kilda. Fortunately, O'Keefe is miles ahead of where TDK was at the same age, and shouldn't take that long, but he's still developing and only 20yo this year.
O'Keefe has shown good signs he can ruck, mark, kick, handball and has heaps aggression. But we should not count on him to carry the ruck in 2026, maybe not even 2027.

Flynn Riley looks a good prospect, we should have taken in midseason draft to develop behind O'Keefe. Those two would be a great ruck duo in 4-5 years time.

So where do we go for a No 1 ruck?

Riley OBrien smashed TDK last time they met, 40 HO's to 16. Its obvious we need a bigger bodied ruck than TDK against the big boys. Forget TDK's stats that game, 17 disposals at 47% Def vs OBrien 7 disposals at 100% Def.

O'Brien is out of contract, and holding out. He's also open to continuing his medicine degree in Melbourne. He turns 30yo in August.
I think if we offered him a good story with a 3 year contract, his desire to come over may be enough to cost us something later than a 2nd round pick, maybe a Future 3rd rounder, or target their rookie ruckman whose contract also expires end of this year, Keiran Strahan.

We need a ruck who wins or at least quells the bigger rucks. We can argue for the value TDK's stats around the ground, but we need a ruck who is strong enough to help our mids. We saw what Xerri, Nankervis, Meek etc...all he big rucks have done for their mids against TDK.

He's a loss, but a loss we have to cover, and there is plenty out there apart from knowns toi target like O'Brien Darcy and Marshall.

TDK's compensation wont be on a ruck. We will use valued picks on star or up and coming future stars, like a Bergman, because he's not a FA, or out of contract.

Then there's the depth issue we all witnessed since round 1 this year we need to build. Picks for good players, we don't need to add more kids, unless we drop more.

The list is a Dumbell, and we need to fix that. Heavy on one end with stars from (2015), and 22 kids on the other end, and in the middle we have 23-26yo Kemp, Cottrell, Fogarty and Boyd who is 27yo. Something obviously wrong with that profile.

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Nice exercise, but I think you're forgetting we have an issue with depth, and skills in the AFL team.

What that proves to me, is we have too many kids. This is looks like a team from a complete rebuild. That's because we have not enough mid tier players. Lets focus on players we need togive us a tilt at a flag, like Pies did when they went through a mini rebuild, shedding top end players Grundy, Treloar, Stephenson and Philips. All 4 players found homes. What Pies went and traded for was experienced mid tier players with, not kids on training wheels, Tom Mitchell, Bobby Hill, Billy Frampton Markov, and Daniel McStay FA, and with luck on the injury side and record close wins, won the flag. The following year topped up with Scultz, followed by Houston, and now having another tilt.

We need to be topping up with experience to build our depth.

Our players 23-30 are Motlop, Boyd, Young, Fantasia, White, Durdin, Lord and Cowan, and this week, add Wilson Young and Lord.Its not a threatening bunch, obviously not threatening for a Finals berth let alone a Flag contender.

The depth player showing much of late imo is Gov

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I’m not forgetting. It’s just a list of what we (mostly) have. It’s just a picture of a possible future.

Without hesitation, I would cut Duffy & Monahan.
Clark & Stumpf I’d try to bring into the VFL program.

Six of these names are senior regulars. Hollands, Cowan, Carroll, Lord, Binns, White & I’ll throw in Smith with a bit of poetic license to make it seven. Skull & O’Farrell are well on their way.

Age is just a number for nine of them.

Of the remaining nine, three are in this year’s draft class. So, we’re pondering the usefulness of Charleson, Wilson, two Campos, Moir & Lemmey. Three of whom have played senior footy.

Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.

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On the positive side there are a few blokes in the twos that may be good players
Our reserves are finally playing good footy
On what he has done in the magoos this year I would be happy to see TDK go to St Kilda get a high draft and recruit Riley

Not like you to shit the bed over a three game body of work

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I think he's probably leaving but that's not the point of the post.
Dodo said "TDK has to go... The Club must push him out even if he wants to Stay". I disagree. You don't push out a player who is willing to sacrifice a lot of money to stay. Especially when you receive compensation in a garbage draft year.
If he wants to stay, great. If he leaves, try to get another early pick and get an established mid or running half back with pace and foot skills. Forget the draft other than Dean and our NGA's.

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TDK to Saints
Grab Riley in the draft
Should get a great compo to get Bergman
Might have to give up another late pick but he is the sort of player we need
He is better than Houston because he can play mid
Trade out McKay and Cripps
Get some more picks
Trade out McGovern Williams Saad and Acres
Hopefully get some draft capital there
Make Walsh captain

Would you use those picks in the weak and compromised draft, or hope to on-trade them for established players? If so, why would the employers of such players value the picks them any more highly than we do? I can see clubs wanting to accrue scrub picks to meet the NGA/FS points threshold, but I wonder how much we lose in eftpos transaction fees across the string of trades.

I want us to target strong leaders (any age) and quick, skilled players in the 23-27 age bracket. If that can be achieved via a lossless series of player-for-picks and picks-for-players swaps then great, but simply saying "trade everyone of value for draft capital" is insufficient.

Agreed with Bergman as a prime target. Not sold on Walsh as captain.

Agree. Don't push him out. If he wants to stay, then bonus to us. My feeling is he should have signed with us by now, if he was staying.

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From the President's email to members this week:



Sounds like we are playing to see what players have got to offer:

Kids out of contract, we haven't see:

Lemmey
Charleson


Maybe more games for

Carroll
Wilson
Young
Moir

We have 2 players who we will ley go because they are LTI replacements for Kemp and Smith:

White
Evans

Players we would like to see play debut:

Ben Camporeale

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Evans filled a vacant spot. White & Flynn Young are the LTI replacements.

Could make an argument for all three, given the state of things up forward.

But yes, it’s probably futile in the case of Evans, who won’t kick; and White, who can’t.

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Swap White for Fantasia thanks

Yeah, I get that, but regardless, I see the obvious two off the list for those LTI's as Evans and White, before F. Young.

Semantics.

I have a feeling a lot of players will be moved on this year, and next year.

We have a Round 2 pick for Dean FS, and a latter Rnd 5 pick for Cincotta to upgrade from rookie.
If we discard Duffy and Monohan, then I would consider Ison and Gresham for NGA's, othertwise, no for picks we can use to trade in players.

Means we need to make one more late pick in the Draft: Hopefully a mature player from VFL SAFL WAFL or Southcombe from Golden Square, we may be hiding

We need to replace listed players with better bonafide AFL players, and even lose a few kids to upgrade with mature bodies. Binns comes to mind, plus a couple coming out of contract.

Use 1st Round picks 2025 (TDK) for HBF ...TDK leaves
Use 1st Round pick 2026 to Trade for MID...Fantasia retures
Use 2nd Round pick 2025 to Draft for DEAN FS...Doc retires
Use 2nd Round pick 2026 to Trade for PLAYER...replace Elijah on list
Use 3rd Round pick 2025 to Trade for RUCKMAN ... replace Binns on list
Use 3rd Round pick 2026 to Trade for above ruck
Use 4th Round pick 2025 to Trade for PLAYER ...replace McGovern
Use 4th Round pick 2026 to trade for above player
Use 5th Round pick 2025 to elevate CINCOTTA

NGA Monohan delist for Ison NGA
NGA Duffy delist for Gresham if he's worth it, or save this change for next year

Have to make decision on Lemmey Charleson (R) and Wilson end of year.

Trade Kemp, Motlop for 3rd Round picks 2025 and 2026 points for Walker next year
Upgrade O'Keefe next year from rookie
Try and upgrade those 2 picks we get for Kemp Motlop with a 2nd round pick 2026. I think we need a 2nd if we trade our first.

Last year we lost good depth players Kennedy, Owies, Marchbank, Martin, Cuningham, and replaced them with Haynes,, hence depth down by 4 in 2025
This year we lose good depth players Doc, Fantasia, McGovern, Binns, and TDK, and need to replace them with good AFL players , plus make up 2025 shortfall.

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