I'm with dada dada dada

Do you seriousely think this club has learned anything from the last 25 years of Failure?

How do you think they will address the List clean up and shake up? They will simply continue to recruit Recycled players of other clubs who have either been delisted or not playing in the 1st or most likely has a long term injury but Carlton somehow thinks they are worth the risk!

I think this time everyone knows that there's no quick fix.

Fans have been just as guilty of the messiah complex over the years - Judd, the Number 1 picks Murphy Gibbs and Kreuzer, Cripps, Curnow/Harry/Weitering, Malthouse as coach. We all thought these pieces were enough and it would just happen for us.

I think even the nuffiest of nuffs are for the first time realising that this is going to be a long grind and major overhaul is needed - and anyone is expendable.

anyone else think dodo has cans of black spray paint in his garage? all of them, a quarter full.

This game reminded me a bit of a game against Melbourne maybe 10 or 15 years ago. Needed to respond, went hard for first 5 mins and then collapsed

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Defender Nick Haynes’ message to his underperforming Carlton teammates on Thursday night was simple: shape up or ship out.
Haynes backed under-siege coach Voss after the Blues’ 50-point hammering at the hands of
Port, insisting the blueprint remains solid.
The veteran defender believes it’s up to the players – himself included – to execute Voss’
gameplan better and for longer. And if they can’t, then a stint in the VFL might help ram the
message home.
“We’ve played some good quarters this year, which shows the system works,” Haynes said.
“When we do, it looks exciting.
“But we haven’t been able to play that system for long enough; for four full quarters. We
definitely take onus for that and it will be our goal next week.
“And if blokes don’t do it, we’ve got plenty of young guys coming through the twos who will
play the system we want.”
The Adelaide Oval horror show came just five days after a shock eleven-point loss to North
Melbourne, putting Voss’ position under increased scrutiny.
Carlton has spent big to build a seasoned squad for the ‘now’, but the results continue to
disappoint.

Retired great Lance Franklin said during the week he doesn’t expect Voss to see out the
season, suggesting change “needs to happen, and it needs to happen ASAP”.

Haynes wasn’t having it: “You can’t target the coach on our fundamentals and consistency,”
said the 33-year-old, who joined Carlton via free agency this summer after 211 games as an
inaugural GWS Giant.
“It’s on us players to execute that… Our goal now is to play the system we’re after for four
quarters.”

Awesome to hear this from one of the players.

Why don’t we hear this from the captain or any of the “leaders”?

Awesome to hear this from one of the players.

Why don’t we hear this from the captain or any of the “leaders”?

crazy it's a player who's been here for 5 minutes setting the standard.

meanwhile the leadership group say nothing more than tired old one liners about nothing much generic "stick fat"

crazy it's a player who's been here for 5 minutes setting the standard.

meanwhile the leadership group say nothing more than tired old one liners about nothing much generic "stick fat"

I guess that shows where (one of) the problem is, entrenched player attitudes.

Make Haynes captain for next year, even if it is only one year, let him leave his mark on the club

Awesome to hear this from one of the players.

Why don’t we hear this from the captain or any of the “leaders”?