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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:00 pm 
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I’m a high school English teacher. One of my classes, a Year 11 Essential English class, is generally comprised of kids who are doing TAFE one day a week while in school, are not particularly academic, have a lot of absences or are just bone lazy. Their ceiling as far as ability is fairly low, but I still have high expectations for effort regardless. The majority of students are quiet, respectful and follow the rules.

However, in the class there were a couple of extremely toxic students - they completed no work, flaunted every rule, argued every instruction and were generally shitheads. Eventually, their continual defiance bled into the entire class where one lesson ended up in a shouting match between me and the entire class - I had lost composure but I guess on paper you’d say that I “lost” the class.

See a similarity?

I went away and reflected. What else could I do when I’d tried everything to break these toxic students without success, and now it had infected the entire cohort?

I analysed the list: I instituted a solid seating plan which separated these students far from each other and sandwiched inbetween students they wouldn’t even spit on let alone engage with. I banned devices and went back to pen and paper old school lessons. Anyone who tried to sit elsewhere or argue any instruction received an immediate lunchtime detention.

I applied the blowtorch.

The result? The 90% of the class who had previously been compliant, recognised that they had [REDACTED] up, and that I was not going to tolerate any of it ever again; I was in control, and they were reminded of that. They complied.

The two toxic students? They bitched and moaned and struggled and eventually asked to be changed into another class, which we gladly obliged.

Now? No seating plan required, class is compliant and respectful again and working to their ability again.

See a similarity?

Let the leader apply the blowtorch, let the poison run its course consequently and chop out any remnants that remain afterwards.

Do a Malthouse then?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:02 pm 
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Every single person we appoint in key roles I want to succeed. Every single one.

I just want to win, consistently, and be perennial contenders.

Can’t cop where we are at. Untenable, unacceptable and needs to be major change.

Simply have to get off the Modern Carlton shit cycle after shit cycle after shit cycle.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:06 pm 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
I’m a high school English teacher. One of my classes, a Year 11 Essential English class, is generally comprised of kids who are doing TAFE one day a week while in school, are not particularly academic, have a lot of absences or are just bone lazy. Their ceiling as far as ability is fairly low, but I still have high expectations for effort regardless. The majority of students are quiet, respectful and follow the rules.

However, in the class there were a couple of extremely toxic students - they completed no work, flaunted every rule, argued every instruction and were generally shitheads. Eventually, their continual defiance bled into the entire class where one lesson ended up in a shouting match between me and the entire class - I had lost composure but I guess on paper you’d say that I “lost” the class.

See a similarity?

I went away and reflected. What else could I do when I’d tried everything to break these toxic students without success, and now it had infected the entire cohort?

I analysed the list: I instituted a solid seating plan which separated these students far from each other and sandwiched inbetween students they wouldn’t even spit on let alone engage with. I banned devices and went back to pen and paper old school lessons. Anyone who tried to sit elsewhere or argue any instruction received an immediate lunchtime detention.

I applied the blowtorch.

The result? The 90% of the class who had previously been compliant, recognised that they had [REDACTED] up, and that I was not going to tolerate any of it ever again; I was in control, and they were reminded of that. They complied.

The two toxic students? They bitched and moaned and struggled and eventually asked to be changed into another class, which we gladly obliged.

Now? No seating plan required, class is compliant and respectful again and working to their ability again.

See a similarity?

Let the leader apply the blowtorch, let the poison run its course consequently and chop out any remnants that remain afterwards.


I'm an ex schoolteacher, and I can relate to your story. I had a class I called the Sweathogs. I didn't apply for the job. Funny story. I left at the end of each year, but coaxed back with amazing conditions, allowing me to effectively moonlight. I only taught for 5 years and that was a long long time ago.

Vossy did show whose boss and blew a fuse last week, and rightly so, but he should have done that a lon long time ago towards those conditional lazy players who thought the sun shines from their arse.

Now look at what he's got. He let the tail wag the dog

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:09 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Vossy did show whose boss and blew a fuse last week, and rightly so, but he should have done that a lon long time ago towards those conditional lazy players who thought the sun shines from their arse.

Now look at what he's got. He let the tail wag the dog

General Sadness has had him on eggshells since before the season started.

He doesn’t need a tactical guru. He needs a wet nurse.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:51 pm 
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Lots of talk, and not just today, about Voss being let down by his leaders.

Lots of people out there in industry or any business you'd like to mention are great workers but shit leaders or managers. Crippa great footballer but the others don't seem to follow. Weiters / Curnow / Walsh not sure they (like Crippa) possess that in your face quality. Definitely no Hodge material there and he had some good lieutenants.

Name 4 guys (3 guys even) at Carlton who would make a great leader ??

Jack S perhaps ?? George H maybe ?? Nic N ??

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:49 pm 
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i'd make jack the captain, effective immediately.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:55 pm 
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Just curious . How many Premiership Captains have gone onto become Premiership Coaches ? Barassi and Leigh Mathews is all I can come up with . Not a good strike rate . History does repeat itself time and time again .

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:22 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Just curious . How many Premiership Captains have gone onto become Premiership Coaches ? Barassi and Leigh Mathews is all I can come up with . Not a good strike rate . History does repeat itself time and time again .

Woosha
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Nicholls… technically.

Been a while though. No doubt about that.

None in the coaching ‘team’ era.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:34 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Just curious . How many Premiership Captains have gone onto become Premiership Coaches ? Barassi and Leigh Mathews is all I can come up with . Not a good strike rate . History does repeat itself time and time again .

Woosha
Bomber
Parkin
Nicholls… technically.

Been a while though. No doubt about that.

None in the coaching ‘team’ era.


And Jezza in 79 .............. OK , so its more than I thought . I thought history was against Voss but not so . Thanks Cruz .

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:20 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Vossy did show whose boss and blew a fuse last week, and rightly so, but he should have done that a lon long time ago towards those conditional lazy players who thought the sun shines from their arse.

Now look at what he's got. He let the tail wag the dog

General Sadness has had him on eggshells since before the season started.

He doesn’t need a tactical guru. He needs a wet nurse.


What's Hendo's mum up to these days?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:25 pm 
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I was thinking about the captaincy the other day and I’m not a big fan of the club’s best player also being the captain.

It works sometimes but they’re not necessarily the same skill set.

Too often we go for the guy who’ll carry the team on his back (Cripps, Judd, Kouta). I think sometimes it’s better to just let those guys loose and not burden them with the captaincy on top of the playing expectations.

When you look back at our captains this century most have been our best player at some point in their career but not many have been great captains.

The captains I love are the ones who’ve had to grind to be great players and/or the ones with a bit of mongrel about them. The ones who show the rest what it takes.

There are a number of guys I would have liked to see captain the club over the years who never did.

David Rhys-Jones
Kade Simpson
Adrian Hickmott
Jack Silvagni

Heart and soul players who never took a backward step.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 7:30 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Just curious . How many Premiership Captains have gone onto become Premiership Coaches ? Barassi and Leigh Mathews is all I can come up with . Not a good strike rate . History does repeat itself time and time again .

Woosha
Bomber
Parkin
Nicholls… technically.

Been a while though. No doubt about that.

None in the coaching ‘team’ era.


And Jezza in 79 .............. OK , so its more than I thought . I thought history was against Voss but not so . Thanks Cruz .

Woosha & Bomber were the most recent… and if those two are the standard and Syd’s scuttlebut is in any way accurate, then maybe the club is doing just fine :yikes:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:56 pm 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
I’m a high school English teacher. One of my classes, a Year 11 Essential English class, is generally comprised of kids who are doing TAFE one day a week while in school, are not particularly academic, have a lot of absences or are just bone lazy. Their ceiling as far as ability is fairly low, but I still have high expectations for effort regardless. The majority of students are quiet, respectful and follow the rules.

However, in the class there were a couple of extremely toxic students - they completed no work, flaunted every rule, argued every instruction and were generally shitheads. Eventually, their continual defiance bled into the entire class where one lesson ended up in a shouting match between me and the entire class - I had lost composure but I guess on paper you’d say that I “lost” the class.

See a similarity?

I went away and reflected. What else could I do when I’d tried everything to break these toxic students without success, and now it had infected the entire cohort?

I analysed the list: I instituted a solid seating plan which separated these students far from each other and sandwiched inbetween students they wouldn’t even spit on let alone engage with. I banned devices and went back to pen and paper old school lessons. Anyone who tried to sit elsewhere or argue any instruction received an immediate lunchtime detention.

I applied the blowtorch.

The result? The 90% of the class who had previously been compliant, recognised that they had [REDACTED] up, and that I was not going to tolerate any of it ever again; I was in control, and they were reminded of that. They complied.

The two toxic students? They bitched and moaned and struggled and eventually asked to be changed into another class, which we gladly obliged.

Now? No seating plan required, class is compliant and respectful again and working to their ability again.

See a similarity?

Let the leader apply the blowtorch, let the poison run its course consequently and chop out any remnants that remain afterwards.


This is pretty much what Nick Haynes said in the press today, I posted it in the post game discussion thread.

Btw I’m surprised some entitled parent didn’t get you sacked for the above.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:25 pm 
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Yesterday I read Jason Richardson's idea that the soon to be unemployed
Ken Hinkley re join Michael Voss at Carlton. As what ? '' Director Of Coaching'' I guess.
Not a wild idea, and although they've worked well together before, I'm not sure Hinkley
would be the man.
If we were to go down that path, maybe John Longmire, Gary Ayres, James Hird, Brett Ratten.
Whoever !!!!
But one bloke I think would be worth having a chat to would be Mark Williams.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:10 am 
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The club assigned security for him at the VFL tonight.

Seriously....


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2025 12:29 am 
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Traveller86 wrote:
The club assigned security for him at the VFL tonight.

Seriously....

Can you blame them?

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