Yeah , Andy was just another sacrificial lamb to appease the masses . Another scapegoat .

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

I went to bed at half time - I didnt even do that in the Bolton days

This club hurts me

I try to tell myself I don't give a shit... and since I was lukewarm on this season after the Richmond game, and totally gave up a month ago, I mostly don't.

So the game begins and I find myself chuckling at what I was watching, just like the coach.
During the second qtr, staring at a possible 100 point loss, I started giving a shit... terrified actually at the possibility that we may have come full circle, again.

I @#$%&! love this club... and I loathe this club... I wish I did neither

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IF, you can keep your head when all others around you are losing their's,
then you will be a man my son........Rudyard Kipling.

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I watched 20 min of the 1st quarter, then watched 3 episodes of 'Say Nothing' brilliant show..

The second time this year i have decided not to watch Carlton. never done this before.

You can’t have a complete list overhaul and go through a full rebuild with the same coach who wasn’t successful with the last group. When has that ever even been attempted let alone successful? Even when clubs attempt to rebuild with coaches who have been successful it rarely works. Maybe Malthouse winning the flag in 2010 after getting to 2 grand finals is the only example I can think of. You can’t count Geelong because they’re the anomaly who never goes through a rebuild, they just stay at the top perennially.

The only argument that could be made for keeping Voss is if you believe we don’t need a complete list overhaul, that we have the core of a premiership team and with a few astute trades we can be competing for flags in the short term with this core group of senior players. But then I would say you are deluded.

We need a clean break from this era.


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How many players are you guys advocating for a complete overhaul trading out? I'm not entirely against the idea...I was envious of Richmond draft day last year.

Knowing us we'd screw up all our selections though

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#DonTheStash

I would go as hard as we possibly can. Anyone who is willing to leave who has any value, cash in while we can. Similar to what we did around 2015 when we cashed in on Gibbs, Tuohy, Yarran, Henderson, Menzel, Bell etc. Tuohy is the only one that we ever missed from that group.

We got a hell of a lot of trade capital for players who very quickly faded into obscurity. I think that will happen with a lot of our current players. Maybe some will have success in a good environment, but who cares, they aren’t going to have success here so there’s no point holding on to them for a few more years until their value diminishes while we flounder in the bottom half of the ladder.

Only problem is we need a half decent list manager to make the most of any draft picks we get and Nick Austin most certainly ain’t it. He needs to be the first to go.


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i still can't smell what we're cooking.

I can. It’s Surströmming


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Is that keep your head , or is it keep your head in the sand ?

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Or perhaps you have misunderstood the situation.

Nah mate , I'm all for keeping calm .

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Im more keen to clear up salary cap space. Id rather not have to go to the draft more than we have to.

I see our problem started when we got Cerra and Hewitt the same year Kennedy decided to come good. Not getting Papley the year before also a problem. After the Hewitt Cerra thingo we didnt have enough money to get Amon so we got Acres. Could have been into Bobby Hill.
We were on a path to the land of meat and potato footballers while rule changes were sending the game another way. Voss had no choice but to work with what he had. Play to our strengths. For a while it worked. Until the game went to far in that other way. Here we are.

So free up some cap and have a more detailed approach to recruiting/trading and building a list to play a particular way. Our players on big contracts have a low output. We could lose half of them and not notice any difference in team performance.

If Stephen Silvagni had of bought in some meat and potato midfielders instead of his failures from 2016 to 2019 we wouldn't have felt the need to get Hewitt and Cerra. Instead we would have been after "finishers" and width players ... the pieces to the puzzle are easier once the meat and potatoes have been served.

Failure after failure after failure from 2016 to 2019 is why we find ourselves in this situation.

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I'm with dada dada dada

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And this is why they are not good leaders, especially for a squad with as many kids as ours.

As Fab said on the Prendercast, Cripps is a champion and an inspirational player who will run through walls. But a true leader is one who can get others to run through walls. Cripps doesn't do this. I didn't like his post match interview where he said "yeah, I was crook as yesterday, but I woke up this morning and thought... I just hate missing games of footy". He probably thinks that's a captain's attitude, but what would you think if you were Ben Campo, showing promise as an inside mid in the 2nds, and your captain would rather travel to Adelaide with no lung capacity and go shit the bed (figuratively and maybe literally) than say, "Ben, this is your time, you can do this, show them what you're made of!".

As for Weiters, standing there with his hangdog expression with the doctors before the game... no, I must have my appearance fee and get absolutely smashed by Visentini (ffs! Imagine if that kid could kick a ball) of all people, Harry O'Farrell cannot be trusted, it's me me me!

Shit leaders = shit culture

Selfish leaders.
Love the commitment but as you've said, good leaders bring people along for the ride and inspire along the way.

Looks a lot like the players are self-sabotaging.
I don’t believe they are doing this consciously - if they are, then Wright will know and Voss will be gone at the end of the year. And on that point, I do wonder what TDK was looking for when he arranged to meet with Wright to get his perspective on the future. I can’t imagine he went in there and said “keep Voss or I’m walking” but I could imagine it the other way around, unfortunately. Well, actually, not unfortunately - im ok if TDK leaves as long as we get well compensated. Can’t keep him for the $$$ being talked about (by which I mean the reported $1.2 we are offering, let alone the $1.7 StK have on the table). fwiw I wouldn’t be surprised if he went to Geelong for under $1m!

Back to the self-sabotage, I do believe there is a fair bit of unconscious self-sabotage. McGovern missing from 20m, TDK faffing about almost waiting to be tackled when he had a clear, close shot at goal. Motlop is probably a fair chance to miss his shots anyway so not the same. Several players holding the ball way too long before attempting to dispose of it, as if there was no-one on the field behind them, until a tackler caught them. Several times I was thinking to myself that there is no way they are genuinely playing like that.