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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:58 am 
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For the first time, we are being innovative by bringing in a highly credentialed individual who is still ultimately unproven as a CEO by default. It's a risk for sure but one I'm willing the club to take.

He's also not quite ready for retirement (57 years old) which is a plus. He can cap off a wonderful career by achieving the impossible and then sellout to whoever needs a messiah when he does get to retirement age.


If you swap CEO for coach that sounds like the Voss appointment.


Not exactly - Voss was already a proven failure as a coach after his disastrous reign at Brisbane.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:58 am 
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The scuttlebutt floating around at the moment is out of control.
I was reading last night that Cook has failed to eradicate a drug culture that has crept into the club by trying to implement systems that were at Geelong and Westcoast but failed .
The rumors are circling that it is everywhere with in the club and some players were let go last year because of issues'with one serving a a 10 game ban and one player requested trade because he was fed up and the trade nearly didn't happen because he wanted assurance from the club he was going to had taken steps to move their player(s) on with the same issues which didnt happen until the last minute of trade.
The suggestion is two of our star players are on their 2nd strike and serving the unofficial suspension after already serving one earlier this year and questions were asked why they waiting two weeks for one to get a scan when they have the most up to date screening clinic located on the facilities. Suggestions are it was more a case of waiting for the B sample results.
Concerns are that all of Carltons injuries are always reported at first as 1-2 weeks ( waiting for results) then extend to longer periods of time and most injuries seem to be training mishaps at a far greater rate than in game injuries .
Players who have been put out for 5-6 week injuries have been seen jogging and running within a few days of the supposed surgery and some even on the training track.
Apparently there is a group of players who are fed up and have protested on field and their demeanor can be there for all to see. They are also saying that players who were previously considered untouchable are now being floated in the media for trade and this is coming from with in the club . The TDK meeting was whats going to change in regards to this issue.

It might be a case of 2 + 2 = 6 - but it gets you thinking


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:17 am 
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The scuttlebutt floating around at the moment is out of control.
I was reading last night that Cook has failed to eradicate a drug culture that has crept into the club by trying to implement systems that were at Geelong and Westcoast but failed .
The rumors are circling that it is everywhere with in the club and some players were let go last year because of issues'with one serving a a 10 game ban and one player requested trade because he was fed up and the trade nearly didn't happen because he wanted assurance from the club he was going to had taken steps to move their player(s) on with the same issues which didnt happen until the last minute of trade.
The suggestion is two of our star players are on their 2nd strike and serving the unofficial suspension after already serving one earlier this year and questions were asked why they waiting two weeks for one to get a scan when they have the most up to date screening clinic located on the facilities. Suggestions are it was more a case of waiting for the B sample results.
Concerns are that all of Carltons injuries are always reported at first as 1-2 weeks ( waiting for results) then extend to longer periods of time and most injuries seem to be training mishaps at a far greater rate than in game injuries .
Players who have been put out for 5-6 week injuries have been seen jogging and running within a few days of the supposed surgery and some even on the training track.
Apparently there is a group of players who are fed up and have protested on field and their demeanor can be there for all to see. They are also saying that players who were previously considered untouchable are now being floated in the media for trade and this is coming from with in the club . The TDK meeting was whats going to change in regards to this issue.

It might be a case of 2 + 2 = 6 - but it gets you thinking


That's a bit on the nose SB.

A lot of rubbish being made up, not just from the usuals here at TC. Other than rumours about Elijah, which are believable, how ther fk would anyone know what TDK discussed with Wright? If TDK was in Wrights office because Wright wanted to score, I mean, wanted to know the score, how and why would that get out? Its a private conversation.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:20 am 
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But a lot isn't rational, and some is even made up and exaggerated for justification's sake. Anger can make people say things they probably shouldn't.

Regards Cazzesman


Plenty of that going on here. I just can't bring myself to call out the usual suspects who can't distinguish the difference between rumours and facts. They are just so angry, posters doubted them over the last few years, and now want us to believe they have people on the inside who are leaking.

I'm reading so much crap presented as fact, its embarrassing.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:22 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
The scuttlebutt floating around at the moment is out of control.
I was reading last night that Cook has failed to eradicate a drug culture that has crept into the club by trying to implement systems that were at Geelong and Westcoast but failed .
The rumors are circling that it is everywhere with in the club and some players were let go last year because of issues'with one serving a a 10 game ban and one player requested trade because he was fed up and the trade nearly didn't happen because he wanted assurance from the club he was going to had taken steps to move their player(s) on with the same issues which didnt happen until the last minute of trade.
The suggestion is two of our star players are on their 2nd strike and serving the unofficial suspension after already serving one earlier this year and questions were asked why they waiting two weeks for one to get a scan when they have the most up to date screening clinic located on the facilities. Suggestions are it was more a case of waiting for the B sample results.
Concerns are that all of Carltons injuries are always reported at first as 1-2 weeks ( waiting for results) then extend to longer periods of time and most injuries seem to be training mishaps at a far greater rate than in game injuries .
Players who have been put out for 5-6 week injuries have been seen jogging and running within a few days of the supposed surgery and some even on the training track.
Apparently there is a group of players who are fed up and have protested on field and their demeanor can be there for all to see. They are also saying that players who were previously considered untouchable are now being floated in the media for trade and this is coming from with in the club . The TDK meeting was whats going to change in regards to this issue.

It might be a case of 2 + 2 = 6 - but it gets you thinking


That's a bit on the nose SB.

A lot of rubbish being made up, not just from the usuals here at TC. Other than rumours about Elijah, which are believable, how ther fk would anyone know what TDK discussed with Wright? If TDK was in Wrights office because Wright wanted to score, I mean, wanted to know the score, how and why would that get out? Its a private conversation.


I said it was scuttlebutt
But whoever was writing it either has a vivid imagination or is on the money-

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:32 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
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i think cook wasn't a success. not on the field anyway - which is all i care about. we are right where we were when he arrived.

... way out of the 8. finals not a chance, and in search of a new coach, while the nerds review everything and everyone looking for the cause.


cook always gave me the vibe he was here bcos the money was good, but he'd rather be on a beach somewhere warm. instead of getting these blokes at the tail end of their career, just before they retire; be lovely if we found one in his prime to build the mecca (like cook did at cats).


Spot on.

I am (cautiously) optimistic that Wright will leave us in a better position because he has pedigree AND is being challenged to step up into a new role for him.

He isn't yesterday's man, not as the CEO.

For the first time, we are being innovative by bringing in a highly credentialed individual who is still ultimately unproven as a CEO by default. It's a risk for sure but one I'm willing the club to take.

He's also not quite ready for retirement (57 years old) which is a plus. He can cap off a wonderful career by achieving the impossible and then sellout to whoever needs a messiah when he does get to retirement age.

I think you mean Cook has bought in a highly credentialed individual.
You lot can't see past your own nose sometimes.
Stop for a minute and take a look at the whole picture.
Our club was a mess on and off the field.
Cook has brought us into the millennium as far as club operations go.
We had honeymoon success but the list was overrated, clubs do make this mistake.
We have been at a disadvantage with attracting players because we have been such a mess.
Finally we have stability and although we might not have the success we all want, blowing the club up again will only put us further back.
Then we will be the ones looking for messiahs again.
Time to pump the brakes folks.



oh mate, you just kill me. you advocate for everything as it is. 30 years since our last flag, 26 since our last gf.

is there anything here you are actually unhappy with and would change? or are you quite content to head off to the grave without ever seeing any more onfield success?


gotta break some eggs to make an omelette and if that means the coach and a few favourites head out the door, so be it.

under cook's reign, we never made it to a gf, we underperformed and really ... our onfield product only ever looked good in a 9 game undefeated stretch which was brought about from injuries and desperation, rather then good management and coaching.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:46 am 
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oh mate, you just kill me. you advocate for everything as it is. 30 years since our last flag, 26 since our last gf.

is there anything here you are actually unhappy with and would change? or are you quite content to head off to the grave without ever seeing any more onfield success?


gotta break some eggs to make an omelette and if that means the coach and a few favourites head out the door, so be it.

under cook's reign, we never made it to a gf, we underperformed and really ... our onfield product only ever looked good in a 9 game undefeated stretch which was brought about from injuries and desperation, rather then good management and coaching.

Like I said before we will have to agree to disagree.
I think we need to add to more support to Voss in coaching and we need to work out if we are going to rebuild or refresh the list.
That needs to be done first.
Blowing the club up has never worked, it never will.
The wider AFL community has been assessing our list for what it is, it's only Carlton that seems to think we have a Premiership list.
I get you want to blame everyone and throw the toys, but our drafting and trading for the last 5-10 years has been ordinary or below at best.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:51 am 
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replacing the coach and retooling the list is not blowing up the club.

we aren't a flag winning list, but we have some assets and with some shrewd moves (of which i think wright has the ability to make) we aren't as far away as what the sky is falling crowd are shouting about our list.

one year ago we were 2nd on the ladder, and on the coach showed us we were with the (statistically) 3rd most productive bottom 6 players in the league, and rising fast.

none of these guys have forgotten how to kick or play footy. the game plan implemented by voss has stagnated them.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:55 am 
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replacing the coach and retooling the list is not blowing up the club.

we aren't a flag winning list, but we have some assets and with some shrewd moves (of which i think wright has the ability to make) we aren't as far away as what the sky is falling crowd are shouting about our list.

one year ago we were 2nd on the ladder, and on the coach showed us we were with the (statistically) 3rd most productive bottom 6 players in the league, and rising fast.

none of these guys have forgotten how to kick or play footy. the game plan implemented by voss has stagnated them.

Aren't you also advocating for the board to change?
List, recruiting managers, coach, assistant coaches, board members.........sounds a lot like blowing the club up to me.
We have a good top 6 players and then daylight, we all know this.
It seems they have forgotten, our missed shots on goals paints a very clear picture.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:58 am 
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Braithy wrote:
replacing the coach and retooling the list is not blowing up the club.

we aren't a flag winning list, but we have some assets and with some shrewd moves (of which i think wright has the ability to make) we aren't as far away as what the sky is falling crowd are shouting about our list.

one year ago we were 2nd on the ladder, and on the coach showed us we were with the (statistically) 3rd most productive bottom 6 players in the league, and rising fast.

none of these guys have forgotten how to kick or play footy. the game plan implemented by voss has stagnated them.


When has this approach ever worked for us in the past?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:59 am 
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Braithy wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Braithy wrote:
i think cook wasn't a success. not on the field anyway - which is all i care about. we are right where we were when he arrived.

... way out of the 8. finals not a chance, and in search of a new coach, while the nerds review everything and everyone looking for the cause.


cook always gave me the vibe he was here bcos the money was good, but he'd rather be on a beach somewhere warm. instead of getting these blokes at the tail end of their career, just before they retire; be lovely if we found one in his prime to build the mecca (like cook did at cats).


Spot on.

I am (cautiously) optimistic that Wright will leave us in a better position because he has pedigree AND is being challenged to step up into a new role for him.

He isn't yesterday's man, not as the CEO.

For the first time, we are being innovative by bringing in a highly credentialed individual who is still ultimately unproven as a CEO by default. It's a risk for sure but one I'm willing the club to take.

He's also not quite ready for retirement (57 years old) which is a plus. He can cap off a wonderful career by achieving the impossible and then sellout to whoever needs a messiah when he does get to retirement age.

I think you mean Cook has bought in a highly credentialed individual.
You lot can't see past your own nose sometimes.
Stop for a minute and take a look at the whole picture.
Our club was a mess on and off the field.
Cook has brought us into the millennium as far as club operations go.
We had honeymoon success but the list was overrated, clubs do make this mistake.
We have been at a disadvantage with attracting players because we have been such a mess.
Finally we have stability and although we might not have the success we all want, blowing the club up again will only put us further back.
Then we will be the ones looking for messiahs again.
Time to pump the brakes folks.



oh mate, you just kill me. you advocate for everything as it is. 30 years since our last flag, 26 since our last gf.

is there anything here you are actually unhappy with and would change? or are you quite content to head off to the grave without ever seeing any more onfield success?


gotta break some eggs to make an omelette and if that means the coach and a few favourites head out the door, so be it.

under cook's reign, we never made it to a gf, we underperformed and really ... our onfield product only ever looked good in a 9 game undefeated stretch which was brought about from injuries and desperation, rather then good management and coaching.


All we've done for the last 20 years is break eggs, isn't it time we cooked some?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:04 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Aren't you also advocating for the board to change?
List, recruiting managers, coach, assistant coaches, board members.........sounds a lot like blowing the club up to me.
We have a good top 6 players and then daylight, we all know this.
It seems they have forgotten, our missed shots on goals paints a very clear picture.



like our list, the board isn't balanced.. it's all biz folk who talk in metrics of profit and margin, not on field success like flags and three-peats and dynasties.

we just need to massage things a little, and rejig a few things - board and list and a new coach; or if by some miracle wright allows voss to stay it's bcos all line coaches are replaced (i actually think that's more expensive than replacing voss, so you already know which option the board is going with).

that's very far from the nuclear option of blowing it all up. imo


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 12:08 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Braithy wrote:
i think cook wasn't a success. not on the field anyway - which is all i care about. we are right where we were when he arrived.

... way out of the 8. finals not a chance, and in search of a new coach, while the nerds review everything and everyone looking for the cause.


cook always gave me the vibe he was here bcos the money was good, but he'd rather be on a beach somewhere warm. instead of getting these blokes at the tail end of their career, just before they retire; be lovely if we found one in his prime to build the mecca (like cook did at cats).


Spot on.

I am (cautiously) optimistic that Wright will leave us in a better position because he has pedigree AND is being challenged to step up into a new role for him.

He isn't yesterday's man, not as the CEO.

For the first time, we are being innovative by bringing in a highly credentialed individual who is still ultimately unproven as a CEO by default. It's a risk for sure but one I'm willing the club to take.

He's also not quite ready for retirement (57 years old) which is a plus. He can cap off a wonderful career by achieving the impossible and then sellout to whoever needs a messiah when he does get to retirement age.

I think you mean Cook has bought in a highly credentialed individual.
You lot can't see past your own nose sometimes.
Stop for a minute and take a look at the whole picture.
Our club was a mess on and off the field.
Cook has brought us into the millennium as far as club operations go.
We had honeymoon success but the list was overrated, clubs do make this mistake.
We have been at a disadvantage with attracting players because we have been such a mess.
Finally we have stability and although we might not have the success we all want, blowing the club up again will only put us further back.
Then we will be the ones looking for messiahs again.
Time to pump the brakes folks.



oh mate, you just kill me. you advocate for everything as it is. 30 years since our last flag, 26 since our last gf.

is there anything here you are actually unhappy with and would change? or are you quite content to head off to the grave without ever seeing any more onfield success?


gotta break some eggs to make an omelette and if that means the coach and a few favourites head out the door, so be it.

under cook's reign, we never made it to a gf, we underperformed and really ... our onfield product only ever looked good in a 9 game undefeated stretch which was brought about from injuries and desperation, rather then good management and coaching.


All we've done for the last 20 years is break eggs, isn't it time we cooked some?



when has cfc ever shipped out a player, a fan favourite - like charlie or harry or walsh - in his prime in order to spread some of that cap wealth around the list?

the board is too busy counting money from jersey sales with #30 on their back, to replace him & his salary with a dan mcstay and 2 small forwards

we've never cooked eggs here. we wait for them to retire, we tank for draft picks and look for the next prince we can all adore while we finish 14th. again.


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Braithy wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Spot on.

I am (cautiously) optimistic that Wright will leave us in a better position because he has pedigree AND is being challenged to step up into a new role for him.

He isn't yesterday's man, not as the CEO.

For the first time, we are being innovative by bringing in a highly credentialed individual who is still ultimately unproven as a CEO by default. It's a risk for sure but one I'm willing the club to take.

He's also not quite ready for retirement (57 years old) which is a plus. He can cap off a wonderful career by achieving the impossible and then sellout to whoever needs a messiah when he does get to retirement age.

I think you mean Cook has bought in a highly credentialed individual.
You lot can't see past your own nose sometimes.
Stop for a minute and take a look at the whole picture.
Our club was a mess on and off the field.
Cook has brought us into the millennium as far as club operations go.
We had honeymoon success but the list was overrated, clubs do make this mistake.
We have been at a disadvantage with attracting players because we have been such a mess.
Finally we have stability and although we might not have the success we all want, blowing the club up again will only put us further back.
Then we will be the ones looking for messiahs again.
Time to pump the brakes folks.



oh mate, you just kill me. you advocate for everything as it is. 30 years since our last flag, 26 since our last gf.

is there anything here you are actually unhappy with and would change? or are you quite content to head off to the grave without ever seeing any more onfield success?


gotta break some eggs to make an omelette and if that means the coach and a few favourites head out the door, so be it.

under cook's reign, we never made it to a gf, we underperformed and really ... our onfield product only ever looked good in a 9 game undefeated stretch which was brought about from injuries and desperation, rather then good management and coaching.


All we've done for the last 20 years is break eggs, isn't it time we cooked some?



when has cfc ever shipped out a player, a fan favourite - like charlie or harry or walsh - in his prime in order to spread some of that cap wealth around the list?

the board is too busy counting money from jersey sales with #30 on their back, to replace him & his salary with a dan mcstay and 2 small forwards

we've never cooked eggs here. we wait for them to retire, we tank for draft picks and look for the next prince we can all adore while we finish 14th. again.


OK, so you only want to break the free range eggs, that are oversized, and been in the fridge for a while. That's very specific and not really "breaking eggs", which his much more dramatic change across the entire club. When you explain it that way it makes more sense


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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/25/ ... ve-carlton :garthp:


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SurreyBlue wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/25/phil-davis-the-7-point-blueprint-to-save-carlton :garthp:


I thought this list was quite obvious, generic, and unremarkable...


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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/25/phil-davis-the-7-point-blueprint-to-save-carlton :garthp:


Don't think there is anything in there that Brian Cook and Graham Wright wouldn't be aware of . Davis gives me Tom Harley vibes .

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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/25/phil-davis-the-7-point-blueprint-to-save-carlton :garthp:


So, just because Phil wears glasses...

"What I would do is ask a lot of questions."

Yep. Got it. Thanks Phil.


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bluechampion wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/25/phil-davis-the-7-point-blueprint-to-save-carlton :garthp:


So, just because Phil wears glasses...

"What I would do is ask a lot of questions."

Yep. Got it. Thanks Phil.


If you don't ask questions, you cant get answers.

No one questioned the state of the list after losing 5 experienced players last year.
No one questioned the Assistants Vossy has
No one questioned Brad Lloyd's failures as GM of Football

I think our problem is we don't ask the right questions, and take for granted success from a total rebuild starting in 2015.

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bondiblue wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/25/phil-davis-the-7-point-blueprint-to-save-carlton :garthp:


So, just because Phil wears glasses...

"What I would do is ask a lot of questions."

Yep. Got it. Thanks Phil.


If you don't ask questions, you cant get answers.

No one questioned the state of the list after losing 5 experienced players last year.
No one questioned the Assistants Vossy has
No one questioned Brad Lloyd's failures as GM of Football

I think our problem is we don't ask the right questions, and take for granted success from a total rebuild starting in 2015.


Didn't they?


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