I've been avoiding the media all week but can still tell we've been copping it in the media

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I am very happy for Wilson and Young playing their debut for Carlton

The pair become Carlton’s sixth and seventh AFL debutants for season 2025 - the first time since 2017. Wilson will become Carlton player No.1249, and Young Carlton player No.1250.

Is that the sign of an established team, or a rebuild?

I will be interested to see the teams tonight and see how many SOS drafted/traded for and compare that with Austin.

I've got a good idea, and its not a pretty picture for SOS group of players, especially when you take out his first draft where he used 4 first round picks on 3 talls Weitering, McKay and Curnow, and Cuningham delisted. Let alone the gimme FS Silvagni who he didn't pick.

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That's unfair on Agresta. They all developing players and WTF does pedestrian mean? Obvious agenda here. I'm happy with all picks, minus Motlop, Moir and Binns.

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Mate, its such a pile on, its not funny.

Lucky I'm busy shopping for my OS trip.

Shopping for clothes and a property overseas to keep my mind off the media and some of the bias I and agendas I am ready here, and everywhere.

I can't believe how all the focus is on Voss. I'm not sticking up for him, but he was good whenthe going was good. Who let me down.

People are like over protective mothers. The players are not our kids. They are contracted to perform, not miss set shots, not handball to the feet of a team mate, not miss a team mate, not be, scared to take the game on, not......

Can all the Voss detractors please be honest and tell us how much blame have you apportioned to the players? At this stage, none.

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Last bit is a bit harsh, he made the most of the system by letting Jack slide as far as possible. Now had he not matched, that’d be a different story

Elliot over anyone, just sayin….

Get off the sauce Des.

SOS didnt select his son. That's public knowledge.
He walked away after his last pick, and let others look after the last 3 picks.
When his son was taken at pick 55, he came back and felt comfortable to pick the rookies O'Shea and deBois.
The recruitment of Jack was a FREE hit. Please don't give credit to SOS for that pick, other than his reluctant commitment to play 100 games for Carlton.
You know he wanted to go to Hawthorn, don't you?
Yopu know how many times he held the club for ransom for more money?
You know SOS was the guy who lagged on the club, about the brown paper bag?
Its no wonder he was embarrassed to walk back into the club.

A bit precious there Des. I'm noticing a trend here, SOS is untouchable and free from blame..

And, I heard the constant Voss is shit from you, what do you thionk of the players on the list? Do you know how many set shots they have missed individually in the forward line?

I'm pointing the blame at a lot of things and a lot of people, and I'm not missing a target. Voss included. He's the one who selects the tea. He's the one responsible for discipline. He's the one who should have done exactly what he did to Binns, but done the same to a lot more. Its a fkn holiday at Carlton, with everyone mates and happy happy joy joy sing a longs after a loss. They don't give a fk. So why pick them. Oh yeah, they cupboard is bare.....and here we go...every team has them, he should be able to play players in positions that suit them....yeah right. He's been given 20 HD flankers.

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I read that last night. Interesting take, hadn't really taken into account that we'd let so much go game-experience wise and also camaraderie-wise.

Doesn't explain everything but it's a factor.

I blame the senior players, kids not so much.

I blame Voss for continuing to select said senior players when they continue to make the errors that you highlight. There are no standards, and I don’t give a shit if we play 2 kids that aren’t up to it if it gives the senior players a foot in the arse. Play Moir, instead of gifting games to Motlop and Fogarty in the hope they’ll improve, I know which one I’d rather have kicking for goal. At the moment none of the senior players fear losing their spot. Drop Curnow, make a statement, what’s the worst thing, we lose?

Voss is supposed to be a great motivator, but it looks to me that his shortcomings from Brisbane are materialising here.

You're not playing the game. Its a probing post. Meant to evoke rich discussion and thought.

You may as well go back and throw all your vitriol to Voss. That will make you feel better. And when the next coach comes to move hearts and minds of our pea heart players, you'll just want to sack the coach, but keep all the deck chairs just the same.

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We have been discussing these problems her in TC and the impact it has had on depth, and Kennedy was a heart and sole player. Despite his devotion to his religion, was one of the boys and most liked team mate. A clean skin if you like.

I will read the article, but I'm sure its the same story.

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Whether he walked away or not, Jack plays for Carlton. Are you suggesting he should have picked him earlier? Is that it? Despite the system he should have picked earlier?

Goes as hard as you want at whoever you want, I don’t give flower, but don’t make shit up. He was taken in the manner the draft promotes, I.e., take guaranteed players as late as you can.

All those you mentioned have had a go this year.

Ollie played there during preseason and in round 1. That's when sidex started giving his opinion Ollie is too light. I agree Durdin not enough, and like Lord a bonafide mid before coming to Carlton.

I agree with a few posters, well they've proven me wrong, Crusader, Stefchook, Effes...Cripps hogs it, and wants to be the be all for the team. He's been badly out of form, and last wek was the week he was going to reverse his form and "level ip", and got beaten bu North Kids.

Our misfield group of Walsh Hewett and Cerra have been our best, and they they have won their battles vs other midfield groups.

Last week Walsh was missing and Cerra had a mare of a game.

Jagga was the one with zip, so has Durdin. Motlop has one goodf quarter ortherwise he's a ball watcher. We need tyo share the load, like you allude. We need to a group of 6-7 mids, Pies have 10 who run through thjeir midfield.

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Bruce Mathieson article in yesterday's The Age

He cares.



Recruiting has been a failure, and its worse when we overlook the Pick 1 players Walsh and Weitering who were no brainers to be selected pick 1 in their draft.



Richmond's haul of 7 players within pick 27 was similar, if not better than Carlton's haul in 2015 with 4 first rounders. We have done fk all since that Draft.





SOS 2015-2020 Pick 1 Walsh
Austin 2021-2025 Pick 3 Smith



The Dumbell list.

Heavy with stars on one end, skinny in the middle group, and heavy on the kids.

Its a kindergarten with no real stars in the kindergarten. Well they aren't obvious right thios minute.



The head of that Football Dept is Lloyd. He's had a long enough drink from the trough.

Now listen to the SEN podcast with Nick Davis. He will clear your view of what's needed, and surprise surprise, its not necessarily the coach. The coach may have to change his message and his game plan, and that's doable.

This is what needs to be the focus for the remainder of the year.

WE need new blood. Charlie and Harry are not delivering. TDK is not worth a Million Dollars.

Trading a couple stars might be the tonic we need. Swans were better in H&A when Buddy was injured, and after he left. The other KPF they had was the injury prone Sam Reid.

We do have kids I believe in, and you have to remember they are only unproven kids: Hollands 20yo, O'Keefe 20yo, B.Camporeale 19yo, Carroll 20yo, Lord 20yo, Cowan 20yo, Wilson 20yo, and I think Lemmey 21yo may just come good in a couple more years.

We know we will add Dean this year, Walker next year, and Abdullah NGA in 2027, the kids after this lot aren't going to be ready to play in 2030 and beyond, like Riley Scotland, Lukas Kouta, Ari Walker, Betetsy's kid, Scotland 2, Oscar Judd, so we need a bit more class to add to Walsh and Hollands imo.

WE may have to give up on our 3 NGA's and just go for Dean, I'm sure we will need points for him if we are looking to Trade in mid tier players.

We have to decide which kids we keep, add some class from the draft and Trade for a lot of cheap middle tier players, or the coach for the next 5 years is going to be under resourced with this list of unskilled, lazy so and so's.

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I was saying this last October
It was a bizarre decision to do what they did.
I think the Russell injury curse clouded their thinking. They banked on improvement in the one area we really suck at and that was injury management

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Yes well aware of the Matt Kennedy discussions.

It was more losing the injury prone guys we (rightly) cut I hadn't really thought about - that's 150-200 games gone right there plus they'd all been around for a while.