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DesEnglish
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:27 am 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

Forget the Board. All this shit about the Board. Diesel is a football person. Thank god Wright is a football person.

The Football Dept led by Lloyd is the big issue.
Everything down from him down needs to be scrutinised, and find reasons why they should be kept, and if there is better out there, get 'em.

I hated it when Liddle interfered in the Football Dept.

1. Sack Hamill.
2. Sack anyone that could’ve & should’ve sacked him on the spot.
3. Split Lloyd’s job into two - Performance & Talent.
4. Have a real good think about Diesel’s position.


What did Hamill do wrong? Isn’t he defensive line coach?
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Cazzesman
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Des there was some scuttle butt that earlier on the season Hamill and Vossy had a shouting match after a loss that got very heated. There was a suggestion that the discussion almost came to blows. No doubt the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Sounds just like a day in the life on TC after a loss.

The fact both are still working together would suggest they kissed and made up.

Some posters want Hamill sacked, but the Backline is the best performing part of the team, so go figure. :eek: :eek:

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Cazzesman wrote:
Des there was some scuttle butt that earlier on the season Hamill and Vossy had a shouting match after a loss that got very heated. There was a suggestion that the discussion almost came to blows. No doubt the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Sounds just like a day in the life on TC after a loss.

The fact both are still working together would suggest they kissed and made up.

Some posters want Hamill sacked, but the Backline is the best performing part of the team, so go figure. :eek: :eek:

Regards Cazzesman

Public dissidence from line coaches is inexcusable.

If the President’s chair wasn’t empty, he would’ve been gone on the spot. Perhaps he knew that.

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DesEnglish
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Crusader wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Des there was some scuttle butt that earlier on the season Hamill and Vossy had a shouting match after a loss that got very heated. There was a suggestion that the discussion almost came to blows. No doubt the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Sounds just like a day in the life on TC after a loss.

The fact both are still working together would suggest they kissed and made up.

Some posters want Hamill sacked, but the Backline is the best performing part of the team, so go figure. :eek: :eek:

Regards Cazzesman

Public dissidence from line coaches is inexcusable.

If the President’s chair wasn’t empty, he would’ve been gone on the spot. Perhaps he knew that.


I’d rather passion from someone than no one.

As Cazz said, they’ve sorted it out. Who knows, Hamill might have been right.
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GreatEx
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Effes wrote:
https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1937468643631333596

Daniel Hoyne on SEN...."60-70% is good".

2nd for D50 to F50.

18th for scoring inside 50.

2nd hardest team to score against....only Pies are harder to score against.


These stats could mean we play 17 behind the ball
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Sidefx
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GreatEx wrote:
Effes wrote:
https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1937468643631333596

Daniel Hoyne on SEN...."60-70% is good".

2nd for D50 to F50.

18th for scoring inside 50.

2nd hardest team to score against....only Pies are harder to score against.


These stats could mean we play 17 behind the ball

That would explain not hitting the target in the F50. :lol:
Not so much shot inaccuracy though, that there is still some X-Files/Voss's fault stuff.
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Braithy
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GreatEx wrote:
Effes wrote:
https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1937468643631333596

Daniel Hoyne on SEN...."60-70% is good".

2nd for D50 to F50.

18th for scoring inside 50.

2nd hardest team to score against....only Pies are harder to score against.


These stats could mean we play 17 behind the ball



pretty meaningless stats imo.

i read some analysis that we were 16th, 17th and 18th in key defensive stats last season. so we've overcompensated this season on defense, so that we can't move the ball or score.

pies have the defense. but also the system, structure and mobility to move the ball forward, and bcos of that they have the offense to hurt you and the defense to stop you. no point having all the defensive stats when you go 3 or 3 qtrs per game where you can barely score a goal.

a big part of that ball movement and defense is - they got houston, while we got jagga. and then newman got injured for the year at 32 and could well be done.

sigh.
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Braithy
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phil davis penned a pretty poignant article on sen about cfc's 7 steps to righting our ship.

off field and on. everything is covered in a really level headed and logical sense. no emotion of fans. no bias for players and coaches. just fix the damn ship, fellas

someone might be able to link the article. i'm on my phone in the car lol
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missnaut
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Braithy wrote:
phil davis penned a pretty poignant article on sen about cfc's 7 steps to righting our ship.

off field and on. everything is covered in a really level headed and logical sense. no emotion of fans. no bias for players and coaches. just fix the damn ship, fellas

someone might be able to link the article. i'm on my phone in the car lol


here ya go

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/25/ ... ve-carlton

1 – Governance of the club
2 – Effectiveness of the football department
3 – The coaching group
4 – Senior coach assessment
5 – The game plan
6 – The list
7 – The culture
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bondiblue
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Braithy wrote:
phil davis penned a pretty poignant article on sen about cfc's 7 steps to righting our ship.

off field and on. everything is covered in a really level headed and logical sense. no emotion of fans. no bias for players and coaches. just fix the damn ship, fellas

someone might be able to link the article. i'm on my phone in the car lol


Right on braithy. I wanted to share this too.

I heard him this morning on SEN. Wow, What a mind.

I love the way he applies classic philosophy to footy.

Its not what you see its what you dont see.

He suggested to let Wright in, don't change anything, to look, listen and the learn, then work out where the problem of culture is. Its not just what players say, but what they aRE NOT SAYING.

Worth a listen, and I will find it to listen to again tonight...not just for Carlton, but it was deep, and balanced

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bondiblue
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missnaut wrote:
Braithy wrote:
phil davis penned a pretty poignant article on sen about cfc's 7 steps to righting our ship.

off field and on. everything is covered in a really level headed and logical sense. no emotion of fans. no bias for players and coaches. just fix the damn ship, fellas

someone might be able to link the article. i'm on my phone in the car lol


here ya go

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/25/ ... ve-carlton

1 – Governance of the club
2 – Effectiveness of the football department
3 – The coaching group
4 – Senior coach assessment
5 – The game plan
6 – The list
7 – The culture


Legend missnaut :thumbsup:

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bondiblue
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GreatEx wrote:
Effes wrote:
https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1937468643631333596

Daniel Hoyne on SEN...."60-70% is good".

2nd for D50 to F50.

18th for scoring inside 50.

2nd hardest team to score against....only Pies are harder to score against.


These stats could mean we play 17 behind the ball


Spot on GEx

I get Effes criticising ball movement, and game plan, and I think he and you are also correct on this, but even when we get it forward it either comes straight out, or we miss set shots, or take pings from the boundary. Things we drum into Auskick kids, and Academy kids what not to do.

The part they mention about player IQ in the forward 50 is so right. Have a look at all the disappointing things they do, themselves, nothing to do with coach. Fools gold

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bondiblue
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Effes wrote:
Other snippet from Hoyne

When TDK is sole :cool: ruck, Carlton are 15-7
When it's TDK and Pittonet, Carlton are 4-12


Selective sample. Agenda?

WE are sitting on 5-7 this year.

What are the numbers in 2023 when we had our best year this century when both rucks were fit, and pre Darcy jumping into Pittos knee making him lae ever since?

Go on, lets make the stats more relevant to this year, now the shit has hit the fan Forget the 2 ruck debate. Leave that for other teams to make it work.

Whats the story this year when we haven't played a lame Pittonet? Ask braithy. He reckons Pitto can't run anyway, so what's the point him playing? I'll tell you; desperation. We have no depth. O'Keefe got injured, Harry was out, and Pitto was 4th drop.

Hows TDK's results this year going?

His opponent in round 1, BOG, and most influential player, round 2 Meek, round 3 English, round 4 Cameron.....and it goes on and on. He gets stats, but his opponents have had a huge impact on the result,a nd bigger rucks take away his jump.

We are 5-7 in 2025. What's your point?

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bondiblue
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Crusader wrote:
BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/23/whateley-the-three-possibilities-of-whats-going-wrong-at-carlton

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Cripps has been captain since 2018 and this is third coach he’s had to back in such circumstances.

I can’t recall of another captain who’s had to do it three times.

In 2019 he was declaring Brendan Bolton’s job couldn’t be safer.

“They have done a really good rebuild, we have got a super list and now it’s up to us to get the best out of players and take it forward,” he sad.

"It's going to turn – it's definitely going to turn – especially with the amount of work we're putting in and with how united we are as a group.”

Bolton was gone within months.

Cripps later admitted the experience left him mentally fried.

In 2021 it was standing behind David Teague.

"Teaguey and the coaching staff are working as hard as us as players and they'd be just as frustrated as we are. We're all in it together and we'll find a way through together," Cripps said.

"I can understand the frustration that may be coming from the fans and people outside the club, but the coaches, Teaguey, the leadership group and the players are working bloody hard to try and put them together."

At season’s end Cripps led a delegation to ask the administration not to sack the coach Carlton sacked the coach.

Yesterday Cripps was again left to espouse the virtues of Michael Voss and the certainty that things will turn if they all stick together.

And I reckon this goes right to the heart of the current collapse of hope and belief.

The sheer frustration of being here again at a time when they expected to be a good team.



So key summary here is that we have had 3 coaches since 2019. THREE COACHES in less than 6 years....

AGAIN. Please explain to me the value of sacking coach no.4 in 6/7years, when:

1. The playing list basically remains the same for a "new coach".
2. No change to the current "game plan" from a "new coach" would currently suit the list available at their disposal (even if a few are traded away)- as generally our list is - lacking depth, unskilled, generally lazy, not quick, has poor mental aptitude etc etc
3. Where is the $$$$ in the "soft cap" to allow for a payout of Voss (one year) and other assistants (x Years)?
4. Who on earth wants to come and coach a rabble of a club that we have become?
5. Who wants to come to a club which needs overhaul at the board and other levels, and do so with confidence such an overhaul would be done in a considered, independent and transparent way?

Maybe Cripps isn’t the man…


Problem might be right under the 2 medals from days gone by.

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DesEnglish wrote:
Effes wrote:
Other snippet from Hoyne

When TDK is sole :cool: ruck, Carlton are 15-7
When it's TDK and Pittonet, Carlton are 4-12


Well, we’ll have a new stat next year, games where Pitto is sole ruck. That’ll be fun.


Both Pitto and TDK will be gone next year.
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bondiblue
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sinbagger wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Effes wrote:
Other snippet from Hoyne

When TDK is sole :cool: ruck, Carlton are 15-7
When it's TDK and Pittonet, Carlton are 4-12


Well, we’ll have a new stat next year, games where Pitto is sole ruck. That’ll be fun.


Both Pitto and TDK will be gone next year.


I agree.

Pitto is lame. He can't run. He jogs. He peaked in 2023. He's never going to be the same.

I'm sure O'Keefe will step up, and he was preferred ahead of Pitto, but he's a kid too and will need a few breaks before we break him.

Have to get OBrien or Cameron for a start.

Sneaky chance we pick up Flynn O'Reilly who played in our VFL team last year and was training with the rucks in the preseason.

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He was banging on today again about being #1 in contested ball in the presser.

This bloke just doesn't get it.

The pies are last in this ffs!
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GreatEx
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bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
phil davis penned a pretty poignant article on sen about cfc's 7 steps to righting our ship.

off field and on. everything is covered in a really level headed and logical sense. no emotion of fans. no bias for players and coaches. just fix the damn ship, fellas

someone might be able to link the article. i'm on my phone in the car lol


Right on braithy. I wanted to share this too.

I heard him this morning on SEN. Wow, What a mind.

I love the way he applies classic philosophy to footy.

Its not what you see its what you dont see.

He suggested to let Wright in, don't change anything, to look, listen and the learn, then work out where the problem of culture is. Its not just what players say, but what they aRE NOT SAYING.

Worth a listen, and I will find it to listen to again tonight...not just for Carlton, but it was deep, and balanced


Get him to the club. Always a really smart footballer, sounds like he sees the wood for the trees. Body stopped him reaching his ceiling so he'll have a lot in common with the players :D
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Cazzesman
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GreatEx wrote:
Effes wrote:
https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1937468643631333596

Daniel Hoyne on SEN...."60-70% is good".

2nd for D50 to F50.

18th for scoring inside 50.

2nd hardest team to score against....only Pies are harder to score against.


These stats could mean we play 17 behind the ball


Do we? Have we ever?

Regards Cazzesman

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sinbagger
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Cazzesman wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Effes wrote:
https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1937468643631333596

Daniel Hoyne on SEN...."60-70% is good".

2nd for D50 to F50.

18th for scoring inside 50.

2nd hardest team to score against....only Pies are harder to score against.


These stats could mean we play 17 behind the ball


Do we? Have we ever?

Regards Cazzesman


Isn't that the game plan? Curnow stands at FF with his arms raised while all the other fwd's run up and down the ground behind the ball, that's why they're all stuffed
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