i read this as, "which it hasn't been since SOS traded in injury prone retards."

oh, how i laughed and chuckled.

So Wright is the solution, but he may not be?

And you're not worried about Voss but replacing him is a big part of the solution?

Even though Curnow could be judged on his lessening scoreboard return, Lyon is more concerned about his overall effort and he compared him to fellow previous Coleman winner Nick Larkey, who is also not in peak goal-kicking form.

“I compare him to Nick Larkey, who's also really badly out of form. But Nick Larkey tries his guts out,” Lyon said.

Every contest that Nick Larkey was in - against much better opposition in Jacob Weitering than Curnow had on the weekend - he fights hard, he scraps, and he throws himself back in the contest.

“He does everything you want from a key forward. Now, he's not in great form, but he laid five tackles on the weekend, Charlie didn't lay a tackle and he hasn't laid a tackle in seven games that he's played this year.”

“Remember earlier in the year when we were talking about big key forwards, I said he's not a great, and people wanted to hound me down,” Lyon said.

“Well, here we are sitting at this stage of the year, and they (Carlton) are slowly going out of relevance at the moment.

“Patrick Cripps is not in great form but tries his guts out. Jacob Weitering tries his guts out in the back half, and I'm watching Charlie run around (not doing that). That's my observation of it.

“I’ve been really disappointed with the way he's gone about it.”

Think Voss is relatively good as a coach. Main issue is personell.

Only excellent kick in the side I can think of is Carrol.

Issue has been conversion. Conversion of inside 50s to shots on goal from a lack of outside mids/half forwards with skills. Conversion of shots on goal to actual goals.

Cartlon has excellent inside mids a couple of great link up mids/runners but outside finishers like a Bont or Richards from the Western Bulldogs are missing.

Some positives of his moves this year. Has found a position for SOS in the backline. Has found McGovern best position is the 3rd tall forward.

That being said he (or his successor) has to be brutal this year with the list at the end of the year. Also have to make the right decisions. TDK not playing like a million dollars for example.

i'm not worried about voss... as in he'll be gone and we don't have to look at him anymore.


we have several issues right now. current list balance, development/ recruiting and coaching. off the field we have a biz first board with no football knowledge or nous. balance the board out. replace coaching and rejig the list for more balance for the modern game.


i personally think wright is the answer (provided the board piss off and let him do his job). he knows football. he knows how you win and what you need. his formula - small forwards are premium, ball movement and system are more preferred over the big lumbering talls, hero ball and the contest which we all now know thanks to voss, get you nowhere.

Forget the Board. All this shit about the Board. Diesel is a football person. Thank god Wright is a football person.

The Football Dept led by Lloyd is the big issue.
Everything down from him down needs to be scrutinised, and find reasons why they should be kept, and if there is better out there, get 'em.

I hated it when Liddle interfered in the Football Dept.

i'm not worried about voss... as in he'll be gone and we don't have to look at him anymore.


we have several issues right now. current list balance, development/ recruiting and coaching. off the field we have a biz first board with no football knowledge or nous. balance the board out. replace coaching and rejig the list for more balance for the modern game.


i personally think wright is the answer (provided the board piss off and let him do his job). he knows football. he knows how you win and what you need. his formula - small forwards are premium, ball movement and system are more preferred over the big lumbering talls, hero ball and the contest which we all now know thanks to voss, get you nowhere.

Forget the Board. All this shit about the Board. Diesel is a football person. Thank god Wright is a football person.

The Football Dept led by Lloyd is the big issue.
Everything down from him down needs to be scrutinised, and find reasons why they should be kept, and if there is better out there, get 'em.

I hated it when Liddle interfered in the Football Dept.

Cripps has been captain since 2018 and this is third coach he’s had to back in such circumstances.

I can’t recall of another captain who’s had to do it three times.

In 2019 he was declaring Brendan Bolton’s job couldn’t be safer.

“They have done a really good rebuild, we have got a super list and now it’s up to us to get the best out of players and take it forward,” he sad.

"It's going to turn – it's definitely going to turn – especially with the amount of work we're putting in and with how united we are as a group.”

Bolton was gone within months.

Cripps later admitted the experience left him mentally fried.

In 2021 it was standing behind David Teague.

"Teaguey and the coaching staff are working as hard as us as players and they'd be just as frustrated as we are. We're all in it together and we'll find a way through together," Cripps said.

"I can understand the frustration that may be coming from the fans and people outside the club, but the coaches, Teaguey, the leadership group and the players are working bloody hard to try and put them together."

At season’s end Cripps led a delegation to ask the administration not to sack the coach Carlton sacked the coach.

Yesterday Cripps was again left to espouse the virtues of Michael Voss and the certainty that things will turn if they all stick together.

And I reckon this goes right to the heart of the current collapse of hope and belief.

The sheer frustration of being here again at a time when they expected to be a good team.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/06/23/whateley-the-three-possibilities-of-whats-going-wrong-at-carlton

Quote:



So key summary here is that we have had 3 coaches since 2019. THREE COACHES in less than 6 years....

AGAIN. Please explain to me the value of sacking coach no.4 in 6/7years, when:

1. The playing list basically remains the same for a "new coach".
2. No change to the current "game plan" from a "new coach" would currently suit the list available at their disposal (even if a few are traded away)- as generally our list is - lacking depth, unskilled, generally lazy, not quick, has poor mental aptitude etc etc
3. Where is the $$$$ in the "soft cap" to allow for a payout of Voss (one year) and other assistants (x Years)?
4. Who on earth wants to come and coach a rabble of a club that we have become?
5. Who wants to come to a club which needs overhaul at the board and other levels, and do so with confidence such an overhaul would be done in a considered, independent and transparent way?

Maybe Cripps isn’t the man…

https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1937468643631333596

Daniel Hoyne on SEN...."60-70% is good".

2nd for D50 to F50.

18th for scoring inside 50.

2nd hardest team to score against....only Pies are harder to score against.

https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1937468643631333596

Daniel Hoyne on SEN...."60-70% is good".

2nd for D50 to F50.

18th for scoring inside 50.

2nd hardest team to score against....only Pies are harder to score against.

So now it’s all SoS fault. lol
How many years have Voss and Aussie had to fix this?
I just can’t be bothered anymore………sorry I’m done with these discussions.

https://x.com/SENSportsday/status/1937468643631333596

Daniel Hoyne on SEN...."60-70% is good".

2nd for D50 to F50.

18th for scoring inside 50.

2nd hardest team to score against....only Pies are harder to score against.

Other snippet from Hoyne

When TDK is sole ruck, Carlton are 15-7
When it's TDK and Pittonet, Carlton are 4-12