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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:04 am 
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But removing Voss won’t necessarily remove the ‘we don’t do this at Carlton’ mindset which seems to be deeply rooted in the club’s culture which seems to relish a premiership from 30 years ago.



100% mate.

we need to cut the head off. too much arrogance and ego, to allow that, i suspect.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:28 am 
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Pros:

Won a last quarter.
McGovern, Williams, Hewett, Weiters.
Motlop had a good last quarter.

Cons:

Lack of confidence we've seen throughout the year reached new depths. Butchered opportunities, missed targets, backward kicks and conservative ball movement. The coaching panel has to take responsibility for that.
Inaccuracy.
Exposed by opposition speed and aggression.
Midfield let us down.
Charlie, Cripps, Cerra, Haynes, TDK, Lord, Durdin.
Binns was awful.
MC got it wrong sending Cincotta to Daniel rather than McKercher.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:33 am 
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I’ve been medically retired from supporting Carlton.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:56 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
what on earth are you on about?

Ashcroft going okay?

All I am saying is you know nothing of current bloke apart from that he is from finance, that's it but because he isn't a she he must be [REDACTED]..stupid thinking really.

Me, I have no idea if he is any good, no idea if a new president would make a difference or not, just saying I thought we were overstating this list and suspect the club may have come to the same conclusion last year. Of course we will never know.


Ashcroft is like most first year mids who are very good
He is beginning to struggle
Long season
Was subbed out a few weeks ago
Don’t think you have done your research
Just like Sayers Priestly resigned from his position because of his company doing dodgy deals with ANZ
Of course both pleaded they knew nothing a common occurrence
Hie should be at that club every day presiding on what’s going on
And he bases himself in Sydney
Hilarious
That tells me it’s still a boys club
Get it through your intellectual warped brain

Voss is only a small part of the problem
The club needs a big shape every where


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:41 pm 
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Our one wood got bazookerd by there one wood . Powell and LDU in particular killed us . Letting Powell cut us up was criminal from the coaches box I thought . Lets face it , Powell isn't a bad player but a bloke of his calibre cutting you to ribbons ? come on , he aint that good . Clarkson gave us a lesson yesterday . Our mob thought it was going to be a repeat of Easter ? of course North where smarting and were going to come out with a new plan . Very poorly prepared all round . And the fact that our players copped it like Lambs was galling to say the least .

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:09 pm 
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not thinking Voss is or isn't, not thinking president is or isn't, not saying Jagga is or isn't, just stating that I suspect the club knew this list wasn't in good shape and are planning 2 or 3 years from now, your Ashcroft point is just stupid, not relevant to pick 1 player from the whole league to highlight what - That we should not have gone after Jagga? ( I counter your Ashcroft with Daicos) - Regardless of your doodling, we did go after Jagga - now I wonder, did we because the club thought that this list was not up to it and so a significant refresh has begun? That is all. If I implied anything else, then I am sorry and I repeat it here for clarity - I just wondered if the club had decided on a refresh and were not expecting as much as we thought about this year. If Voss goes at years end then I think either
a) I'm wrong and they did expect big things this year
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b) pressure means we have caved in (again) to be seen to be doing something rather than sticking to our guns.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:24 pm 
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Bluey44 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
We still haven't won a game this year with 8 or more unavailable players. Today we had 9.

That's still a factor in our losses and points its finger directly to Recruitment. I can see some BIG changes happening come years end.

In the meantime I'll root for my team to make finals. Because they can. Doesn't mean they will.


Really?
You really have faith that it's going to change?
I wish I was having what you're having.
Brad lloyd and Vet mckay have been presiding over a slow motion train wreck for years
Not mention icke

Nothing changes


I'm just stating the facts the impact injury has had on results with no depth.

I'm going to continue to buy my membership, and for my family, but I'm not buying memberships for my friends and their kids as I've done since 2002. I feel my half glass full support for the club just leads my people into a false sense of reality, and weekly disappointment. I didn't buy memberships for disappointment.

Looks to me 2023 was our peak, and what a ride it was for all. I'll get back to all my people when I think the club makes another resurgence. Back in 2002 my memberships meant a lot. Today, with 100,000 memberships, I don't think they will be missed.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:46 pm 
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keogh wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
what on earth are you on about?

Ashcroft going okay?

All I am saying is you know nothing of current bloke apart from that he is from finance, that's it but because he isn't a she he must be [REDACTED]..stupid thinking really.

Me, I have no idea if he is any good, no idea if a new president would make a difference or not, just saying I thought we were overstating this list and suspect the club may have come to the same conclusion last year. Of course we will never know.


Ashcroft is like most first year mids who are very good
He is beginning to struggle
Long season.
The club needs a big shape every where


Isn’t Brisbane lucky to use the fathers-son rule to pick up THE best player in the draft by handing over rubbish picks in the 50s or whatever?
Ashcroft will be a legendary player. Not hard to pick him. Don’t need to be a recruiting genius.

This year’s draft will further the process with fathers-sons/academy picks meaning you will wait until the 20s at least to get a pick.

The AFL wants the loophole to persist. A fair competition would have made them pay market rates for Ashcroft etc.. but Naah.

Match committee.. bit confused by why they pick Pittonet. The winning ratio with him in drops significantly.. even in 2023. If you have a ruckman who can’t mark the ball… there’s not much point.

Justin Madden in his heyday could take 11 marks in a game. It would take 11 matches for Pittonet get this total. Young can mark the ball. Yes he has deficiencies, but not as much as Pittonet.
Once they picked him I knew the game was cactus.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:47 pm 
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:clap: Astounding

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:48 pm 
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keogh wrote:
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Its the fact we have got good kids in the VFL that makes me think the way i do - its why i think they let Kennedy and Owies go (not going to win with them), its why i think they went after Jagga, so you see keogh its just my perception and your perception, and the future will tell the tale.


Kennedy is going ok
Go on with your intellect
Doesn’t wash
The fact is its results industry in the end
And in the last 25 years its failed
Why
It’s starts at the top
Anyone with any intellect knows that
As recruiting its a your eggs in one basket approach
Levi Ashcroft was regarded as the best mid in the draft
He is ok but has tapered off
Kennedy may be All Australian


So might Hewett.

Just sayin. It was a win win decsion

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 2:01 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
keogh wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
what on earth are you on about?

Ashcroft going okay?

All I am saying is you know nothing of current bloke apart from that he is from finance, that's it but because he isn't a she he must be [REDACTED]..stupid thinking really.

Me, I have no idea if he is any good, no idea if a new president would make a difference or not, just saying I thought we were overstating this list and suspect the club may have come to the same conclusion last year. Of course we will never know.


Ashcroft is like most first year mids who are very good
He is beginning to struggle
Long season.
The club needs a big shape every where


Isn’t Brisbane lucky to use the fathers-son rule to pick up THE best player in the draft by handing over rubbish picks in the 50s or whatever?
Ashcroft will be a legendary player. Not hard to pick him. Don’t need to be a recruiting genius.

This year’s draft will further the process with fathers-sons/academy picks meaning you will wait until the 20s at least to get a pick.

The AFL wants the loophole to persist. A fair competition would have made them pay market rates for Ashcroft etc.. but Naah.

Match committee.. bit confused by why they pick Pittonet. The winning ratio with him in drops significantly.. even in 2023. If you have a ruckman who can’t mark the ball… there’s not much point.

Justin Madden in his heyday could take 11 marks in a game. It would take 11 matches for Pittonet get this total. Young can mark the ball. Yes he has deficiencies, but not as much as Pittonet.
Once they picked him I knew the game was cactus.


Pitto is lame. He's not going to last 100 minutes of footy. Young too light for Xerri
He was picked to counter Xerri, who tore TDK a new one last time they met.
Yesterday we looked better with Pitto vs Xerri. see first quarter
Everytime TDK went in the ruck Xerri fed his mids. see 2nd quarter

That was highlighted ad nauseum during the Fox covergae by Gerard Healey, and his co hosts. Pitto nullified Xerris impact, and TDK didnt.

We were cactus because we were up against an inform team, growing by thje week, and their mids brutalised our mids.
When our mids fail, we fail. Nothing to do with Pitto or Young's selection non selection. Weak as piss.

The team gave up the fight. They didnt like it hard. Proves they are soft cocks. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 2:19 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
not thinking Voss is or isn't, not thinking president is or isn't, not saying Jagga is or isn't, just stating that I suspect the club knew this list wasn't in good shape and are planning 2 or 3 years from now, your Ashcroft point is just stupid, not relevant to pick 1 player from the whole league to highlight what - That we should not have gone after Jagga? ( I counter your Ashcroft with Daicos) - Regardless of your doodling, we did go after Jagga - now I wonder, did we because the club thought that this list was not up to it and so a significant refresh has begun? That is all. If I implied anything else, then I am sorry and I repeat it here for clarity - I just wondered if the club had decided on a refresh and were not expecting as much as we thought about this year. If Voss goes at years end then I think either
a) I'm wrong and they did expect big things this year
or
b) pressure means we have caved in (again) to be seen to be doing something rather than sticking to our guns.


My main issue is culture
It’s 2025
Times change
We deep down as a club have not adapted
Brittian
Pagan
Ratten
Barker
Malthouse
Bolton
Teague
Voss?
There is a common theme here
Do you agree
It’s obvious the problems run deeper than having a shit coach
That’s why I want big changes
Hopefully Wright pulls the right strings
I was hoping Cook would do something but I think age has caught up with him
More super for those European holidays
It’s the arrogance that annoys me


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 2:43 pm 
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I don't know anything about boardroom shenanigans so I never had an opinion about Cook, but given the state he's left the club in, I'd say we repeated the same error we made with Pagan, Malthouse, Russell and others: going after yesterday's man.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 2:54 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
keogh wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
what on earth are you on about?

Ashcroft going okay?

All I am saying is you know nothing of current bloke apart from that he is from finance, that's it but because he isn't a she he must be [REDACTED]..stupid thinking really.

list and suspect the club may have come to the same conclusion last year. Of course we will never know.


every where


Isn’t Brisbane lucky to use the fathers-son rule to pick up THE best player in the draft by handing over rubbish picks in the 50s or whatever?
Ashcroft will be a legendary player. Not hard to pick him. Don’t need to be a recruiting genius.

This year’s draft will further the process with fathers-sons/academy picks meaning you will wait until the 20s at least to get a pick.

The AFL wants the loophole to persist. A fair competition would have made them pay market rates for Ashcroft etc.. but Naah.

Match committee.. bit confused by why they pick Pittonet. The winning ratio with him in drops significantly.. even in 2023. If you have a ruckman who can’t mark the ball… there’s not much point.

Justin Madden in his heyday could take 11 marks in a game. It would take 11 matches for Pittonet get this total. Young can mark the ball. Yes he has deficiencies, but not as much as Pittonet.
Once they picked him I knew the game was cactus.


Pitto is lame. He's not going to last 100 minutes of footy. Young too light for Xerri
He was picked to counter Xerri, who tore TDK a new one last time they met.
Yesterday we looked better with Pitto vs Xerri. see first quarter
Everytime TDK went in the ruck Xerri fed his mids. see 2nd quarter

That was highlighted ad nauseum during the Fox covergae by Gerard Healey, and his co hosts. Pitto nullified Xerris impact, and TDK didnt.

We were cactus because we were up against an inform team, growing by thje week, and their mids brutalised our mids.
When our mids fail, we fail. Nothing to do with Pitto or Young's selection non selection. Weak as piss.

. :wink:


Sorry, but I’m sticking by my opinion.
“Nullified” .. doesn’t really do much.
Rickmen today aren’t just bash and smash ruckmen.. the Collingwood ruckman kicked 2 or 3 goals in their match.
Pitto is one dimensional.
He might “nullify” but that doesn’t win you games.
If Young was playing.. charging down to the forward line, the North ruck would have to follow him (using up petrol tickets)
Young is lighter.. yes.. but in today’s football not really a hindrance (in my opinion)


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:06 pm 
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forget everything else ....

i just cant get past the fact that no one went in for Hewitt ...

forget what happens next week, forget what happens when the heat has been applied ...

the club had a chance to stand up for itself, and it didnt, it let it pass without a wimper ... that is the damning thing ... and i just cant resolve it my head that Voss would allow this to happen ... its not the way he played and lead his team ..



forget everything else

until we start playing for each other, nothing else matters.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:32 pm 
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ScottSaunders2 wrote:
forget everything else ....

i just cant get past the fact that no one went in for Hewitt ...

forget what happens next week, forget what happens when the heat has been applied ...

the club had a chance to stand up for itself, and it didnt, it let it pass without a wimper ... that is the damning thing ... and i just cant resolve it my head that Voss would allow this to happen ... its not the way he played and lead his team ..



forget everything else

until we start playing for each other, nothing else matters.


Massive agreement on this, our players in both AFL and VFL allowed themselves to be bullied all day without a whimper. What a bunch of softcocks and nice mummy’s boys we have recruited, our leadership group are a bunch of whimps.

It wasn’t just Hewett, Saad also was flattened at least twice and none of our players did anything.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:36 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
keogh wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
what on earth are you on about?

Ashcroft going okay?

All I am saying is you know nothing of current bloke apart from that he is from finance, that's it but because he isn't a she he must be [REDACTED]..stupid thinking really.

list and suspect the club may have come to the same conclusion last year. Of course we will never know.


every where


Isn’t Brisbane lucky to use the fathers-son rule to pick up THE best player in the draft by handing over rubbish picks in the 50s or whatever?
Ashcroft will be a legendary player. Not hard to pick him. Don’t need to be a recruiting genius.

This year’s draft will further the process with fathers-sons/academy picks meaning you will wait until the 20s at least to get a pick.

The AFL wants the loophole to persist. A fair competition would have made them pay market rates for Ashcroft etc.. but Naah.

Match committee.. bit confused by why they pick Pittonet. The winning ratio with him in drops significantly.. even in 2023. If you have a ruckman who can’t mark the ball… there’s not much point.

Justin Madden in his heyday could take 11 marks in a game. It would take 11 matches for Pittonet get this total. Young can mark the ball. Yes he has deficiencies, but not as much as Pittonet.
Once they picked him I knew the game was cactus.


Pitto is lame. He's not going to last 100 minutes of footy. Young too light for Xerri
He was picked to counter Xerri, who tore TDK a new one last time they met.
Yesterday we looked better with Pitto vs Xerri. see first quarter
Everytime TDK went in the ruck Xerri fed his mids. see 2nd quarter

That was highlighted ad nauseum during the Fox covergae by Gerard Healey, and his co hosts. Pitto nullified Xerris impact, and TDK didnt.

We were cactus because we were up against an inform team, growing by thje week, and their mids brutalised our mids.
When our mids fail, we fail. Nothing to do with Pitto or Young's selection non selection. Weak as piss.

. :wink:


Sorry, but I’m sticking by my opinion.
“Nullified” .. doesn’t really do much.
Rickmen today aren’t just bash and smash ruckmen.. the Collingwood ruckman kicked 2 or 3 goals in their match.
Pitto is one dimensional.
He might “nullify” but that doesn’t win you games.
If Young was playing.. charging down to the forward line, the North ruck would have to follow him (using up petrol tickets)
Young is lighter.. yes.. but in today’s football not really a hindrance (in my opinion)


Xerri is in all Australian form, I’d say nullifying him was a huge win for us. He dominated TDK every time we took Pitto out of the ruck. What was worse was TDK couldn’t even beat their second ruck. One thing we did get right was picking Pittonet for yesterday’s match.

Also I disagree with you bindi that TDK is a ruck fwd, he’s shown nothing as a fwd. Yesterday was his big chance to make his case as a fwd. he failed masively. Hopefully we can get a couple of good picks for him as he’s a list clogger for us. Not good enough as first ruck, not good enough as ruck/fwd.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:54 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
ScottSaunders2 wrote:
forget everything else ....

i just cant get past the fact that no one went in for Hewitt ...

forget what happens next week, forget what happens when the heat has been applied ...

the club had a chance to stand up for itself, and it didnt, it let it pass without a wimper ... that is the damning thing ... and i just cant resolve it my head that Voss would allow this to happen ... its not the way he played and lead his team ..



forget everything else

until we start playing for each other, nothing else matters.


Massive agreement on this, our players in both AFL and VFL allowed themselves to be bullied all day without a whimper. What a bunch of softcocks and nice mummy’s boys we have recruited, our leadership group are a bunch of whimps.

It wasn’t just Hewett, Saad also was flattened at least twice and none of our players did anything.



i make mention of weitering as well

went down like a season ending injury ... i said at the time, i will give it 15 mins, he has a history with this ...

next quarter, its like the messiah rising from the dead ... and we clapped him ... he is a great player, perfect backman, but gee ... as hard as melted butter.

something isnt right with this club.

im all for being gentleman and pillars of the community of the field, but on it, should never shirk an issue, otherwise we get blokes like Simpkon showing up as the "hardman"


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:11 pm 
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ScottSaunders2 wrote:
forget everything else ....

i just cant get past the fact that no one went in for Hewitt ...

forget what happens next week, forget what happens when the heat has been applied ...

the club had a chance to stand up for itself, and it didnt, it let it pass without a wimper ... that is the damning thing ... and i just cant resolve it my head that Voss would allow this to happen ... its not the way he played and lead his team ..



forget everything else

until we start playing for each other, nothing else matters.


So true ,,,,, 100% in agreement there Scott

I think I saw Motlop take it up to Xerri (2 to 3 times his size) in the last but that's about it

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:36 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
ScottSaunders2 wrote:
forget everything else ....

i just cant get past the fact that no one went in for Hewitt ...

forget what happens next week, forget what happens when the heat has been applied ...

the club had a chance to stand up for itself, and it didnt, it let it pass without a wimper ... that is the damning thing ... and i just cant resolve it my head that Voss would allow this to happen ... its not the way he played and lead his team ..



forget everything else

until we start playing for each other, nothing else matters.


Massive agreement on this, our players in both AFL and VFL allowed themselves to be bullied all day without a whimper. What a bunch of softcocks and nice mummy’s boys we have recruited, our leadership group are a bunch of whimps.

It wasn’t just Hewett, Saad also was flattened at least twice and none of our players did anything.


Been saying for years. Sleep with the light on. The hits from some of the Kangaroos players were just dirt, but both US and the UMPIRES turned a blind eye.


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