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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:17 pm 
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By the way, I'm counting Elijah as an injury, so if Cowan and Curnow are declared fit and there are no midweek surprises then I'm leaning towards 100% guaranteed bet your house on it WIN.


Thanks GEx, somehow in the last 3 rounds Elijah dropped off my team sheets and Cowan not in my injury table. I blame excel.

I don't think we will risk Curnow, but if they do and he is breaksdown....haven't we seen this movie before? Hawthorn game.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:37 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Bondi
Injuries are a part of footy
You post like where unlucky
You plan for it
Won’t miss McKay
He has played one and half decent games this year
Binns was a more than adequate substitute from Walsh

Cazzeman
Very generous with our performance after quarter time


Bit harsh on McKay. He's played 6 games this season and was pretty much BOG in 2 of them (I don't count getting subbed in the first quarter)

He's ok in a few others. His only shocker was against Adelaide, but the whole team didn't turn up that day and the forwards barely got a sniff.

Can't be easy playing forward in a team that can't hit targets to save themselves.

Pretty stupid to say we won't miss him when you look at who the replacement could be.

I mean look at what HOK dished up on the weekend... And he's not even available now

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:25 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Bondi
Injuries are a part of footy
You post like where unlucky
You plan for it
Won’t miss McKay
He has played one and half decent games this year
Binns was a more than adequate substitute from Walsh

Cazzeman
Very generous with our performance after quarter time


Bondi’s point is not blaming injuries, he’s blaming our lack of list depth to cover said injuries.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:02 pm 
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Stating the obvious, but we really need to get the 4 points here and even the win/losses.
Then we can try to move forward with a quarter of a chance and players coming back the advantage.
Just keep the equation equal.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:09 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Bondi
Injuries are a part of footy
You post like where unlucky
You plan for it
Won’t miss McKay
He has played one and half decent games this year
Binns was a more than adequate substitute from Walsh

Cazzeman
Very generous with our performance after quarter time


'Shrugs shoulders'


You saw it one way, I saw it another. Nothing new in that revelation.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:58 am 
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We should win however North paying $4 is good value IMO.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 11:37 am 
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This is a classic no win or lose-lose game.
If we win, even if we smash them like last time, it will convince no-one, including ourselves (given what has happened since we last smashed them). We still won’t know much until after the next 2 or 3 weeks (North, Port, Coll) . And, in truth, the next 5 weeks after that (Bris, Melb, Hawks, Freo, Suns).
If we lose this week, then it’s curtains.

Actually, there is an argument that losing this week is kind of a win because it allows us to move forward without any ambiguity or false hope.

Most likely outcome IMO:
We play good team footy for the whole match, have a solid 7-8 goal win. In the presser, Voss highlights how well we can play when we maintain a forward-motion game for 4 quarters… running in waves, using the angles, eyes lowered into the forward line. “we know what good looks like”.
And then we fall in a static, long-bombing, congested heap against Port the following week…..


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:59 pm 
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Rest everyone for the Collingwood game: forfeit if need be.
I would take COVID top ups and OZkickers to the Port Adelaide game.
Fiji the lot of 'em.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:44 pm 
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So... which way do we go?

Pitto in and TDK to play forward?
Lemmey to get his chance?
O'Farrell in and JSoS swung forward?
Young as second-ruck and deep target man?
Cripps to play as a forward instead of in the midfield?

I'd be inclined to rest Charlie... even if his calf was basically nothing, with Harry out I'd be extra cautious.
TDK and Lemmey with support from McGovern and the smalls is... something at least.
Perhaps when TDK goes into the ruck, Cripps goes deepest forward for variety and to keep our structure.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:59 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
keogh wrote:
Bondi
Injuries are a part of footy
You post like where unlucky
You plan for it
Won’t miss McKay
He has played one and half decent games this year
Binns was a more than adequate substitute from Walsh

Cazzeman
Very generous with our performance after quarter time


Bit harsh on McKay. He's played 6 games this season and was pretty much BOG in 2 of them (I don't count getting subbed in the first quarter)

He's ok in a few others. His only shocker was against Adelaide, but the whole team didn't turn up that day and the forwards barely got a sniff.

Can't be easy playing forward in a team that can't hit targets to save themselves.

Pretty stupid to say we won't miss him when you look at who the replacement could be.

I mean look at what HOK dished up on the weekend... And he's not even available now

I agree.

Round 1 he said his mind was elsewhere and not mentally right to compete with aggression. He was pushed aside by a 20yo skinny backman. Floundering. Turned out he wasn't mentally right.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:04 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
So... which way do we go?

Pitto in and TDK to play forward?
Lemmey to get his chance?
O'Farrell in and JSoS swung forward?
Young as second-ruck and deep target man?
Cripps to play as a forward instead of in the midfield?

I'd be inclined to rest Charlie... even if his calf was basically nothing, with Harry out I'd be extra cautious.
TDK and Lemmey with support from McGovern and the smalls is... something at least.
Perhaps when TDK goes into the ruck, Cripps goes deepest forward for variety and to keep our structure.


Crippa says we need him and thinks he'll be available.

Lets see what happens there first.

Pitto looks like our best option as No 1 ruck vs Xerri

SOS stays back, TDK and Lemmey KPFs and Gov 3rd marking tall

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:27 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Bondi
Injuries are a part of footy
You post like where unlucky
You plan for it
Won’t miss McKay
He has played one and half decent games this year
Binns was a more than adequate substitute from Walsh

Cazzeman
Very generous with our performance after quarter time


'Shrugs shoulders'


You saw it one way, I saw it another. Nothing new in that revelation.

Well I agree with what you saying about our defe
It’s been the big improvement this year
We gave up too many goals last year and you can’t win a flag if you are not in the top 6 for defence.
The problem you sort of washed over a bit was our inability to score after quarter time
I look at the players out there and we have too many one paced players who don’t move the ball efficiently enough
I believe Suprise suprise it’s recruiting
Name me one player on our list that can kick it with penetration after causing separation by foot for about 20 m
McGovern well he is in attack
Saad plays exclusively in defence
That’s it
Name me another
Wilson has the potential to do it but his kicking needs improvement
Whether he gets a game or not who knows but we have too many vanilla footballers
Don’t care if Jagga Smith is unavailable
You can’t expect a first year player to create fluent ball movement on his own
It’s has been the next phase in the evolution of on how the game is played and once again we have been caught napping
Forget about the first quarter
That’s the worst I have seen a team play in terms of effort and pressure

We need to regenerate our list
Cerra is our best player for metres gained and he is 47 overall
How Dewar did not get coaches votes last week is ridiculous
843 m gained 270 m more than the next player
We need a couple like him


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:28 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Bondi
Injuries are a part of footy
You post like where unlucky
You plan for it
Won’t miss McKay
He has played one and half decent games this year
Binns was a more than adequate substitute from Walsh

Cazzeman
Very generous with our performance after quarter time


'Shrugs shoulders'


You saw it one way, I saw it another. Nothing new in that revelation.

Well I agree with what you saying about our defe
It’s been the big improvement this year
We gave up too many goals last year and you can’t win a flag if you are not in the top 6 for defence.
The problem you sort of washed over a bit was our inability to score after quarter time
I look at the players out there and we have too many one paced players who don’t move the ball efficiently enough
I believe Suprise suprise it’s recruiting
Name me one player on our list that can kick it with penetration after causing separation by foot for about 20 m
McGovern well he is in attack
Saad plays exclusively in defence
That’s it
Name me another
Wilson has the potential to do it but his kicking needs improvement
Whether he gets a game or not who knows but we have too many vanilla footballers
Don’t care if Jagga Smith is unavailable
You can’t expect a first year player to create fluent ball movement on his own
It’s has been the next phase in the evolution of on how the game is played and once again we have been caught napping
Forget about the first quarter
That’s the worst I have seen a team play in terms of effort and pressure

We need to regenerate our list
Cerra is our best player for metres gained and he is 47 overall
How Dewar did not get coaches votes last week is ridiculous
843 m gained 270 m more than the next player
We need a couple like him


Regards Cazzesman


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100 Carlton games for Adam Saad Saturday

May he have a great game & plenty of kids

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:40 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
100 Carlton games for Adam Saad Saturday

May he have a great game & plenty of kids



100 Carlton games you beauty.
Resilient.

He's the feature on a show tonight/ Commercial channel not Ch2
An interview by the look at it.
Not sure what the show is called...IIRC "........... tonight"
I'm pretty sure its on at 7.30

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:13 pm 
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"keogh said

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Name me one player on our list that can kick it with penetration after causing separation by foot for about 20 m


Its been an issue for me for 20 years. Not all players can kick hard penetrating kicks, but I expect more in an AFL side.
I think it happened because after Kouta, all teams went for Athletes first, footballer, second, like Shaun Hampson for us, but that changed back as the standard of the pool improved.

When Carlton went for that great kick we ended up with Viojo-Rainbow, or Watson
When we had some beautiful kicks like Touhy and Grigg we traded them
Houlihan was good, but they are scarce. You named the good ones. F.Young looks like he's got the kick we are after.

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Wilson has the potential to do it but his kicking needs improvement


Don't agree. He's got a left peg. That's his weapon. Some of those long passes against the wind are exactly what we need.

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Don’t care if Jagga Smith is unavailable


Aw. I thought you were the caring type

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You can’t expect a first year player to create fluent ball movement on his own


Its a team game, and in a team he'd be playing to use his strengths. He's a special player. One of those rare kids who ready to play at 18yo

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Forget about the first quarter


Its not just one good quarter. We've played a great first quarter in 9 out of 12. People forget we also won the 2nd well.
The main thing to come out from the game, from media and all knockers, other than you, is that first qtr, like other first qtrs shows what we can do.

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We need to regenerate our list


We've locked in our stars. I doubt Walshy would be inviting Jagga to his reviews if he was thinking of leaving. We need to ensure our

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Cerra is our best player for metres gained and he is 47 overall


Mate, he's been great. Not that I give a shit about coaches votes, but he's received a few in games this year. He's shown to be an quality AFL player, and if he's 47 from 18 teams, or 745 players, then he's one of the best 2 from our team, why knock him because he gets the hard ball and handballs more than he kicks. Really naive inference.

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How Dewar did not get coaches votes last week is ridiculous
843 m gained 270 m more than the next player


Yeah he was good, in a shit team. His job as the designated attacking kicker. In the U18's he was likened to Liam Ryan with his big long kicks. He's only a kid. I wish we had him on our list.
24 kicks for 843 metres, only 3 handballs. Don't criticise him for being selfish and not handballing, he's a good kid. Cerra had 16 kicks 14 handballs. You're not comparing Cerra to this kid....I think you are....that's naughty. Cerra helped his team win, and got most Fantasy points on the ground, media...he must have done something right, and if you give a shit about coaches votes, he got the most from them too.

You're a hard task master, and you like to muck around with numbers to degrade our players. Bad form imo.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:56 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Name me one player on our list that can kick it with penetration after causing separation by foot for about 20 m


I assume you mean running for 20m (i.e 1 bounce), Saad.

If you mean bursting from a contest and having a penetrating kick I'll say:
Saad
Williams
Boyd
Carroll
Lord
Curnow can do it
Cotts at times
and Walsh and Doc used to be able to.

The midfield and wings are pretty bare in this department.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:13 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
keogh wrote:
Name me one player on our list that can kick it with penetration after causing separation by foot for about 20 m


I assume you mean running for 20m (i.e 1 bounce), Saad.

If you mean bursting from a contest and having a penetrating kick I'll say:
Saad
Williams
Boyd
Carroll
Lord
Curnow can do it
Cotts at times
and Walsh and Doc used to be able to.

The midfield and wings are pretty bare in this department.


I agree on Curnow
Reckon to an extent he is wasted as a deep forward
Never been tried in the guts


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:17 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
"keogh said

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Name me one player on our list that can kick it with penetration after causing separation by foot for about 20 m


Its been an issue for me for 20 years. Not all players can kick hard penetrating kicks, but I expect more in an AFL side.
I think it happened because after Kouta, all teams went for Athletes first, footballer, second, like Shaun Hampson for us, but that changed back as the standard of the pool improved.

When Carlton went for that great kick we ended up with Viojo-Rainbow, or Watson
When we had some beautiful kicks like Touhy and Grigg we traded them
Houlihan was good, but they are scarce. You named the good ones. F.Young looks like he's got the kick we are after.

Quote:
Wilson has the potential to do it but his kicking needs improvement


Don't agree. He's got a left peg. That's his weapon. Some of those long passes against the wind are exactly what we need.

Quote:
Don’t care if Jagga Smith is unavailable


Aw. I thought you were the caring type

Quote:
You can’t expect a first year player to create fluent ball movement on his own


Its a team game, and in a team he'd be playing to use his strengths. He's a special player. One of those rare kids who ready to play at 18yo

Quote:
Forget about the first quarter


Its not just one good quarter. We've played a great first quarter in 9 out of 12. People forget we also won the 2nd well.
The main thing to come out from the game, from media and all knockers, other than you, is that first qtr, like other first qtrs shows what we can do.

Quote:
We need to regenerate our list


We've locked in our stars. I doubt Walshy would be inviting Jagga to his reviews if he was thinking of leaving. We need to ensure our

Quote:
Cerra is our best player for metres gained and he is 47 overall


Mate, he's been great. Not that I give a shit about coaches votes, but he's received a few in games this year. He's shown to be an quality AFL player, and if he's 47 from 18 teams, or 745 players, then he's one of the best 2 from our team, why knock him because he gets the hard ball and handballs more than he kicks. Really naive inference.

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How Dewar did not get coaches votes last week is ridiculous
843 m gained 270 m more than the next player


Yeah he was good, in a shit team. His job as the designated attacking kicker. In the U18's he was likened to Liam Ryan with his big long kicks. He's only a kid. I wish we had him on our list.
24 kicks for 843 metres, only 3 handballs. Don't criticise him for being selfish and not handballing, he's a good kid. Cerra had 16 kicks 14 handballs. You're not comparing Cerra to this kid....I think you are....that's naughty. Cerra helped his team win, and got most Fantasy points on the ground, media...he must have done something right, and if you give a shit about coaches votes, he got the most from them too.

You're a hard task master, and you like to muck around with numbers to degrade our players. Bad form imo.

The point I’m making is we don’t move the aggot quickly
Dewar stood out like Dogs balls
At least he won the NRS
A really good mover
Binns has the tank but is one paced and shi tank
Would love Voss to give Wilson a run


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