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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:44 pm 
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jim wrote:
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A bit meh from me.

Kicked 2 goal 6 behinds compared to their 4 goals 6 behinds after half time.

Our second halves are abominable - especially against a team of witches hats like West Coast - they are terrible.

To make matters worse - we get Curnow and O'Keefe with injuries :(

I cant see Curnow, McKay or HOK playing next week.

Thant goodness we "only" have to play North next week - but even then - they have been good their last few and are no bunnies.

Best game I've seen from Gov in ages.

Motlop........... WTF..... This guy - I really want him to impact....... but???????????

I guess as others have said - take the 4 points and run, run like the wind. BUT, FFS we blew a GOLDEN opportunity to put a team that we should have to the sword and bury them, and it was an abject failure AGAIN.
Charlie's ok. Was precaution.

Hopefully that is the case. He was interviewed after the game and didn't appear to be proppy.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:53 pm 
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No one has mentioned Cripps. Very poor last few weeks especially. Is stagnant and doesn’t run and chase. This from our captain is not acceptable. Hope our coaching staff don’t find this acceptable because of his past accolades.


I agree. I will say at a guess he isn't at anywhere near 100% (I think he is carrying something). Then again didn't he have 10 possies in the first qtr? But yes, he is well below what he should be for sure.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:12 pm 
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The last 2 games up to the 15 minute mark of the 2nd quarter 17.12 from that point on 6.16 and I would say probably at least another 8 shots that failed to score.

It conversion that is the issue in 2nd half


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:14 pm 
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That was by far the least enjoyable 6 goal win I have ever sat through.

Ugly football after 1/4 time.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:23 pm 
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Will never take personally witnessing a win for granted. Especially with my son.

So good for the first 1.5 qtrs.

Very, very average thereafter.

Haven’t answered any questions.

Our general skill level is no where near the level required.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:23 pm 
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Take the win but .......

5 goals after quarter time (2 of those in the second half) against the bottom team
Outscored by same team after quarter time
Kudos to Ollie (never stops)
Might be a debutant next week if Charlie, Harry and HOK are all out
Might even see Pitto to assist against Xerri

The uninspiring season that is 2025 continues ....

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:30 pm 
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keogh wrote:
How [REDACTED] is the fixture
13 rounds in we have played West Coast twice
After 14 rounds North and West Coast twice
At the very least surely by round 17 every team has played each other once


Totally. It’s just a farce.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:44 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
Pros:

Another slashing start.
The coaching panel's decision to McGovern forward and Docherty back (the last 2 weeks) has improved our structure. Getting more bounce of out defence.
Oli, Cerra, Cincotta, Haynes, McGovern, Saad, Hewett, Fogarty.
Best I've seen from Binns.
Weiters back in form.

Cons:

More injuries.
Another underwhelming 2nd half. Butchered some golden opportunities in the 3rd quarter.
Another quiet performance from Cripps.
O'Keeffe deserved another game, but struggled tonight. Hands weren't clean.


HOK was injured and didn’t play the last 1.5 quarters.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:00 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Pros:

Another slashing start.
The coaching panel's decision to McGovern forward and Docherty back (the last 2 weeks) has improved our structure. Getting more bounce of out defence.
Oli, Cerra, Cincotta, Haynes, McGovern, Saad, Hewett, Fogarty.
Best I've seen from Binns.
Weiters back in form.

Cons:

More injuries.
Another underwhelming 2nd half. Butchered some golden opportunities in the 3rd quarter.
Another quiet performance from Cripps.
O'Keeffe deserved another game, but struggled tonight. Hands weren't clean.


HOK was injured and didn’t play the last 1.5 quarters.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:18 am 
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jim wrote:
Damning stat. We lead the half time ladder by a fair way, 11-2, 133%, yet we sit 6-7. Real pattern right there.



There in lies the frustration of being a Carlton supporter. I've never been so pissed off at a Carlton team. This side promises so much and delivers naught but disappointment

I can't for the life of me work out of its a fitness thing or instructional from the coaching group led by Voss. Are they trying to play tempo footy? We are capable of dynamic exciting football which is what we do early, but then we try to slow the game down and manage it. Problem is we can't turn it back on. Once we slow the tempo down, all we do is invite the opposition into the game. Then they get a sniff and their belief grows while we get stuck in a run of negative, slow dour ball movement and can't snap out of it.

I just can't see this happening if Craig Macrae was at the helm. The buck has to stop at Voss. Another wasted season beckons. And another wasted generation of talented footballers at the Carlton football club under an inept coach

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:48 am 
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My view is we simply don’t have the skill level
We have recruited average pace and average kick players
The players who have the skill level are pea hearts playing down the forward line

If you look at the game in isolation WC could not have played any worse in that first quarter
Zero pressure smashed at clearance no hard defensive running
Conditions got very greasy after that and WC played tougher footy
West Coast actually one clearance overall
They beat us after quarter time because they matched us in the area of stoppage and contested footy
We actually lack pace and skill to combat it
This despite dominating the ruck

We have to have more pace around the ground
We don’t have it
Voss could debut Wilson this week and play Saad further up the ground
Doubt that will happen
So it’s not an attitude
It’s a skill level


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:54 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Pros:

Another slashing start.
The coaching panel's decision to McGovern forward and Docherty back (the last 2 weeks) has improved our structure. Getting more bounce of out defence.
Oli, Cerra, Cincotta, Haynes, McGovern, Saad, Hewett, Fogarty.
Best I've seen from Binns.
Weiters back in form.

Cons:

More injuries.
Another underwhelming 2nd half. Butchered some golden opportunities in the 3rd quarter.
Another quiet performance from Cripps.
O'Keeffe deserved another game, but struggled tonight. Hands weren't clean.


HOK was injured and didn’t play the last 1.5 quarters.

Dropped a few marks before then

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:56 am 
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keogh wrote:
My view is we simply don’t have the skill level
We have recruited average pace and average kick players
The players who have the skill level are pea hearts playing down the forward line

If you look at the game in isolation WC could not have played any worse in that first quarter
Zero pressure smashed at clearance no hard defensive running
Conditions got very greasy after that and WC played tougher footy
West Coast actually one clearance overall
They beat us after quarter time because they matched us in the area of stoppage and contested footy
We actually lack pace and skill to combat it
This despite dominating the ruck

We have to have more pace around the ground
We don’t have it
Voss could debut Wilson this week and play Saad further up the ground
Doubt that will happen
So it’s not an attitude
It’s a skill level

We put the cue in the rack pretty early but the question is was that necessary. It arguably was once the injuries started but we'd closed up shop before then.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:57 am 
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The_Cranium wrote:
jim wrote:
Damning stat. We lead the half time ladder by a fair way, 11-2, 133%, yet we sit 6-7. Real pattern right there.



There in lies the frustration of being a Carlton supporter. I've never been so pissed off at a Carlton team. This side promises so much and delivers naught but disappointment

I can't for the life of me work out of its a fitness thing or instructional from the coaching group led by Voss. Are they trying to play tempo footy? We are capable of dynamic exciting football which is what we do early, but then we try to slow the game down and manage it. Problem is we can't turn it back on. Once we slow the tempo down, all we do is invite the opposition into the game. Then they get a sniff and their belief grows while we get stuck in a run of negative, slow dour ball movement and can't snap out of it.

I just can't see this happening if Craig Macrae was at the helm. The buck has to stop at Voss. Another wasted season beckons. And another wasted generation of talented footballers at the Carlton football club under an inept coach


for mine, it's coaching and/or fitness.

we get the lead with run and dare and looking for the corridor. then we slow it down to the contested grind along the wings and slow play it. that is 100% instructional from the box.

are players getting told not to run & overlap bcos it bends them out of defensive shape and voss is happy with what we got? or, does voss/ coaching tell them to slow it down bcos they know they aren't fit enough (like say pies, cats) to do this for 4 qtrs?


either way ... for me. coaching has to take the fall. they can do better with this list.

someone mentioned earlier. with no walsh i was looking forward to lord in the middle. the only mid who sticks tackles, lowers his eyes and delivers a beautiful F50 kick. but no, voss sticks motlop and his zero contest, zero awareness, poor footskills game into the middle. it kills me.

keeps picking docherty, and every week docherty does very little. another game of turnovers while his direct opponent runs past his jogging ass time and time again.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:06 am 
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We played the late Sunday game and won and this morning it's like it didn't even happen.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:11 am 
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jezzarules wrote:
keogh wrote:
My view is we simply don’t have the skill level
We have recruited average pace and average kick players
The players who have the skill level are pea hearts playing down the forward line

If you look at the game in isolation WC could not have played any worse in that first quarter
Zero pressure smashed at clearance no hard defensive running
Conditions got very greasy after that and WC played tougher footy
West Coast actually one clearance overall
They beat us after quarter time because they matched us in the area of stoppage and contested footy
We actually lack pace and skill to combat it
This despite dominating the ruck

We have to have more pace around the ground
We don’t have it
Voss could debut Wilson this week and play Saad further up the ground
Doubt that will happen
So it’s not an attitude
It’s a skill level

We put the cue in the rack pretty early but the question is was that necessary. It arguably was once the injuries started but we'd closed up shop before then.

Reckon that’s disrespectful to how West Coast played after quarter time
They matched us in the areas concerned
If we want to make the 8 we will probably need around 14 wins and a % a bit more than106.7 given the dogs that are outside the 8 have a larger %

What Voss has done this year is tightened us up defensively but we don’t score enough
There was no cue in the rack
West Coast matched us after quarter time
There was no pressure of losing that game from quarter time either
It may be different this weekend
Reckon North and Clarkson feel they owe us
If we lose then we can definitely kiss this year goodbye


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:13 am 
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Braithy wrote:
The_Cranium wrote:
jim wrote:
Damning stat. We lead the half time ladder by a fair way, 11-2, 133%, yet we sit 6-7. Real pattern right there.



There in lies the frustration of being a Carlton supporter. I've never been so pissed off at a Carlton team. This side promises so much and delivers naught but disappointment

I can't for the life of me work out of its a fitness thing or instructional from the coaching group led by Voss. Are they trying to play tempo footy? We are capable of dynamic exciting football which is what we do early, but then we try to slow the game down and manage it. Problem is we can't turn it back on. Once we slow the tempo down, all we do is invite the opposition into the game. Then they get a sniff and their belief grows while we get stuck in a run of negative, slow dour ball movement and can't snap out of it.

I just can't see this happening if Craig Macrae was at the helm. The buck has to stop at Voss. Another wasted season beckons. And another wasted generation of talented footballers at the Carlton football club under an inept coach


for mine, it's coaching and/or fitness.

we get the lead with run and dare and looking for the corridor. then we slow it down to the contested grind along the wings and slow play it. that is 100% instructional from the box.

are players getting told not to run & overlap bcos it bends them out of defensive shape and voss is happy with what we got? or, does voss/ coaching tell them to slow it down bcos they know they aren't fit enough (like say pies, cats) to do this for 4 qtrs?


either way ... for me. coaching has to take the fall. they can do better with this list.

someone mentioned earlier. with no walsh i was looking forward to lord in the middle. the only mid who sticks tackles, lowers his eyes and delivers a beautiful F50 kick. but no, voss sticks motlop and his zero contest, zero awareness, poor footskills game into the middle. it kills me.

keeps picking docherty, and every week docherty does very little. another game of turnovers while his direct opponent runs past his jogging ass time and time again.

Totally agree with the Docherty Motlop thing
Voss is not a smart coach


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:41 am 
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Voss's presser was so frustrating.
He says the same crap every week. And when he pronounces Foorrrr uzzzzzz instead of For us. OMG stop.

He is not very clever. This slow stop start kick footy doesnt suit us. The players look confused when they do it, its not natural. Yet he persists. Stubborn mule.

Charlie mentioned that we have been instructed to play slower. Every game is the same, we come out after half time and we do the same things.

Acres missing that gold 1 metre out, far out Voss should have pulled him off the ground straight away.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:57 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Voss's presser was so frustrating.
He says the same crap every week. And when he pronounces Foorrrr uzzzzzz instead of For us. OMG stop.

He is not very clever. This slow stop start kick footy doesnt suit us. The players look confused when they do it, its not natural. Yet he persists. Stubborn mule.

Charlie mentioned that we have been instructed to play slower. Every game is the same, we come out after half time and we do the same things.

Acres missing that gold 1 metre out, far out Voss should have pulled him off the ground straight away.



yeah exactly. charlie all but confirmed it's coaching tapping the brakes on the wide open play, not the players.


i think that's why some players look miserable. they just wana play footy. not grind out along the wings falling asleep from boredom. it's dour footy.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:06 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
What are they doing at half time.
Their 2nd halves have been shit all year
They looked sensational up until about half way through the 2nd quarter.

You will take the win but there are some serious issues especially after half time

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I have waited all season to get back Cincotta and Cottrell bc imo their smart and hard running is the thing that gels the team to play a great running game.

Of course that is when we have the other hard runners like Walsh and Hollands both playing too.

Fantasia showed his preseason form and ran to the right places, as does Cerra week in week out.

Voss in his presser didn’t blame ifatigue for our drop off, but made note we dropped our intensity. Happens every game after half time. WTF.

Bottom line for me is we went into the game with 7 injuries, and we lost Charlie and Skull, which brought the numbered injured to 9. We can’t win when we have more than 8 out, especially during game, which must have affected rotations.

I’m going to watch the game this morning to gather my thought.

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