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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 12:20 pm 
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With Port beating GWS a loss to Essendon***** will entrench us in the bottom 4.

A far cry from the top 4 that was being touted around in the preseason.

I said back in the beginning of this thread back in September "where is the improvement coming from "

This is a result of total incompetence in list management. They over valued the players.
The list manager like most of the supporters were star struck how could a team containing Weiters Saad TDK Cripps Cerra Walsh Harry and Charlie not finish top 4.

Well we are bottom 4 and it's because they failed at the draft and didn't bring in established players to improve the depth and let players go that could of helped with that depth



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Bottom 4 … yeah I know that changes if we beat Effendopes… but looking at it and it really sinks in.

We haven’t lost a game with less than 8 out injured. Injuries that tested the robustness of the list.
Tomorrow we go in against Effendopes with 6 out injured

Let’s hope we can stay fit till the last day of Sept. It won’t change the fact Austin’s list isn’t balanced.


Need to stop making injury an excuse. Other teams have similar numbers/quality unavailable and have put Carlton to the sword.

Do you discount a victory tonight given the Junkies woes?


Our list lacks depth with too many young players. Injuries affect us much more than other teams right now.


Except we know that the same guys are going to be injured each year. What plans are devised to make the most of the players we have available?

Why did the club not put Newman on the LTI and replace him with someone fit? A 6 month contract for, example, Parfitt who’s killing it in the WAFL, is AFL harden and from a good system. Seriously, what value in Newman going to be for 6 games

Our depth is shit because we make stupid decisions.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 12:57 pm 
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Maybe we're hoping for another good news story like in last year's EF :D


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 1:20 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
With Port beating GWS a loss to Essendon**** will entrench us in the bottom 4.

A far cry from the top 4 that was being touted around in the preseason.

I said back in the beginning of this thread back in September "where is the improvement coming from "

This is a result of total incompetence in list management. They over valued the players.
The list manager like most of the supporters were star struck how could a team containing Weiters Saad TDK Cripps Cerra Walsh Harry and Charlie not finish top 4.

Well we are bottom 4 and it's because they failed at the draft and didn't bring in established players to improve the depth and let players go that could of helped with that depth



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Bottom 4 … yeah I know that changes if we beat Effendopes… but looking at it and it really sinks in.

We haven’t lost a game with less than 8 out injured. Injuries that tested the robustness of the list.
Tomorrow we go in against Effendopes with 6 out injured

Let’s hope we can stay fit till the last day of Sept. It won’t change the fact Austin’s list isn’t balanced.


Need to stop making injury an excuse. Other teams have similar numbers/quality unavailable and have put Carlton to the sword.

Do you discount a victory tonight given the Junkies woes?


I'm just stating a fact about Carlton. We lack depth. Its been a major issue for us since 2022.

Said it before the season started, that if injury did take hold of us, we would struggle given the plethora of kids. Turns out to be right. We have won all our games when our injury total is less than 8. Fact.

Other teams bat deeper than us. I'm sure that's the consensus in this thread. We didnt replace the quality we delisted Marchbank, Martin, Cuningham, Kennedy, Owies (Best 23 players).

Sure there could be other reasons for our failure, but the only fact we can pinpoint is that our entry into I50 sucks and we can't handle injury because a lack of depth. Can't just dismiss facts. I notice jounos blame injury for losses for some teams who have less missing than Carlton, but dismiss Carlton's injury list, except Montana, as a reason for average skills.

As for the blame for our failure on Stars having their worst game ever, or not trying against GWS, when GWS had Coniglio, Kelly and Callaghan (the GWS were able to cover them due to their fantastic depth in the VFL, see GWS ladder position in VFL) , or blame it on Vossy's Game plan, they are debatable. But of that's what you want to focus on, sure be my guess.

WE should win today given we have less than 8 out, and I've backed the Baggers for that reason. Otherwise, the Blues are hard to trust.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 1:28 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
With Port beating GWS a loss to Essendon****** will entrench us in the bottom 4.

A far cry from the top 4 that was being touted around in the preseason.

I said back in the beginning of this thread back in September "where is the improvement coming from "

This is a result of total incompetence in list management. They over valued the players.
The list manager like most of the supporters were star struck how could a team containing Weiters Saad TDK Cripps Cerra Walsh Harry and Charlie not finish top 4.

Well we are bottom 4 and it's because they failed at the draft and didn't bring in established players to improve the depth and let players go that could of helped with that depth



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Bottom 4 … yeah I know that changes if we beat Effendopes… but looking at it and it really sinks in.

We haven’t lost a game with less than 8 out injured. Injuries that tested the robustness of the list.
Tomorrow we go in against Effendopes with 6 out injured

Let’s hope we can stay fit till the last day of Sept. It won’t change the fact Austin’s list isn’t balanced.


Need to stop making injury an excuse. Other teams have similar numbers/quality unavailable and have put Carlton to the sword.

Do you discount a victory tonight given the Junkies woes?


Our list lacks depth with too many young players. Injuries affect us much more than other teams right now.


Except we know that the same guys are going to be injured each year. What plans are devised to make the most of the players we have available?

Why did the club not put Newman on the LTI and replace him with someone fit? A 6 month contract for, example, Parfitt who’s killing it in the WAFL, is AFL harden and from a good system. Seriously, what value in Newman going to be for 6 games

Our depth is shit because we make stupid decisions.


Some choose to fight the fight whilst season is still alive, and others just want to write off the season since round 1. You never know.

I want entertainment and wins. I look forward to that every round. I'm Ok with it. I don't see losses as the end of the world or the end of carlton. I'm proud to be a bagger.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 2:36 pm 
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Yep , the season is still alive . We have a pulse . Onya " Chesty Bondi " .

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 2:51 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:

I want entertainment and wins. I look forward to that every round. I'm Ok with it. I don't see losses as the end of the world or the end of carlton. I'm proud to be a bagger.



me too. it's why i'm getting ready to head out to the jai opetaia fight.



... first time in following carlton since i was 4, that i've made plans while a carlton and Essendon* game is being played.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 6:34 pm 
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^ yeah, tis sad how checked out we are all getting.

Normally pre-match for us is a flurry of messages seeing who's going, where they're sitting, chat about players...

This year it's more "you going?" "nup" "me either".


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 6:53 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
^ yeah, tis sad how checked out we are all getting.

Normally pre-match for us is a flurry of messages seeing who's going, where they're sitting, chat about players...

This year it's more "you going?" "nup" "me either".



that's exactly how my mates and i are. there's more than 20 of us that regularly catch games together. but so far we watched richmond rnd 1, and that's it...

can only be let down so many times by this mob.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:08 pm 
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Rubbing hands

Forget the opposition, we hate em.

Go in hard.
Play like a Premiership team
Show dare

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:09 pm 
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I’m hoping we press hard and small forwards are fighting for ball in their half.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:10 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

I want entertainment and wins. I look forward to that every round. I'm Ok with it. I don't see losses as the end of the world or the end of carlton. I'm proud to be a bagger.



me too. it's why i'm getting ready to head out to the jai opetaia fight.



... first time in following carlton since i was 4, that i've made plans while a carlton and Essendon** game is being played.


The big dogs. Have fun. Glad I’m not missing this game.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 11:04 am 
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Its round 14. We are 5-7.

We just lost Walsh for 5-6 weeks to injury

He joins McKay Cottrell, Newman Cowan Smith and Kemp

WE haven't lost a game this year with less than 8 out injured.

Walsh out today for Binns. Is that like for like? Nope. Nowhere near it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:25 pm 
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Just put us out of our misery and play the kids. Please.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:51 pm 
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Just put us out of our misery and play the kids. Please.


Do they need to earn a game first or just get freebies?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 10:43 pm 
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Just put us out of our misery and play the kids. Please.


Essendon* is doing it, let's be like them!


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:59 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Just put us out of our misery and play the kids. Please.


Do they need to earn a game first or just get freebies?

Regards Cazzesman


They have to earn it.
I never thought Lemmey was going to make it, but I was happy he returned to preseason after xmas with quicker 2km times than most other big men.
He had done a lot of work over summer.
But, after 5-6 VFL games I thought if that's all he's got, he aint gonna make it.

His last 4 weeks in the VFL have shown he may make it.
Don't know how well he's going until I see him against AFL players.
I'm not confident he's ready, but he's one who could be given a go.

Wilson's form in the last month has been promising too.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:01 pm 
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I don't think Flynn Young has done enough to warrant a game.

We know O'Farrell can cut it, but our defence has been a strength with the 4 talls we already have back there.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:11 pm 
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Whose spot would the abovementioned young players take?

Lemmey? O'Keefe is already in there. He's a year younger than Lemmey.
Wilson? He's the same age as Carroll and Hollands in the backline.
O'Farrell? Silvagni is in AA form, and Haynes is our best intercept mark.

Its not as easy as calling to play kids.

Camporeale boys need to do more work with their kicking.
Personally, until they fix their kicking, and I'm not talking their action, but more their accuracy, and stop the loopy high passes, I don't think I'd like to see them in the seniors TBH, and I was one in the preseason calling for Lucas to play Round 1.

Which other young listed players?

F.Young? He's actually 23yo. Binns and Lord are only 20yo. Maybe he can take Fantastia or Fogarty's spot?
Charleson? not ready
Moir? he looked lost in round 4 against Pies. needs to get fitter...worth persevering as he has another year on his contract.
Monohan? no way and doubt he'll be on our list comes year's end
Duffy? no way, and he has another year on his contract, but may make way for another NGA: Ison, Gresham, Clark

The AFL team should not be the team the kids to learn their running patterns or how to play their position. They should be promoted ready to be competetive at the grade.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:19 pm 
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Wilson deserves a game if we play shit today
Lemmey deserves a game too if he continues to play the way he has been lately
The only problem is the opposition today
Bullants lack
Bite
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:56 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Wilson deserves a game if we play shit today
Lemmey deserves a game too if he continues to play the way he has been lately
The only problem is the opposition today
Bullants lack
Bite
Pun intended


:grin:

Agree

What about if our defence plays well. Where would you play Wilson?
He's been tried in the middle this year and got lost.

The oppo was crap and faded as the game wore on.

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