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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 9:39 am 
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West Coast are competitive at home
They only had to travel 2 hours down the road the week before
They pushed Geelong for 3 quarters before they ran out of petrol tickets
In saying that they are the worst sports team in the AFL
Any team who plays them twice can count themselves lucky

Should win by minimum 7 goals if where any good
On the flip side we have been hard to score against
You have to be top6 in defence to win a flag
SOJ has been probably our best story this year
Lord has progressed
There are positives there
Suprise Suprise Suprise as Gomer Pyle would say
But as we know
If a team matches us up at contested ball and stoppages we become very beatable
A bit like Pyle in Full Metal Jacket
And that has been going on over a year and the coach and the players haven’t fixed it

In saying all this if you look at the 8
Hawthorn
Gold Coast
GWS
Freo
Are all vulnerable to miss out
Our % is good
People don’t talk about % much
Absolutely crucial in a tight competition
Reckon 13 maybe 14 will get you in the finals depending on on the bottom 3 teams falling apart

I don’t want O’ Keefe dropped
Mc Kay's form doesn’t warrant a return of
Fantasia can go back to the magoos


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Keogh back in the day when he was teaching.......

Little Johnny, well done on your math score today, pity your handwriting is rubbish.

Jimmy, good job on the short story you wrote, pity your spelling is terrible.

Karen, your home eco custard was delicious, pity it was the wrong colour yellow.

Sally, you spoke well today in the debate, but it's a pity you didn't take the time to brush your hair.

Ahhhhhhhh you give a little, you take a little. :wink: :wink: :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:20 am 
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there have been sooooo many hindsight geniuses....

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:29 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
there have been sooooo many hindsight geniuses....


Speaking for myself I have 20/20 hindsight vision . I get a ten out of ten perfect score every time .

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:57 am 
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Okeef needs to stay in the team for the rest of the Year! He is going to be TDK's replacement, so give him as many games and get him ready for next year!


Is that HOK playing instead of one of TDK, H or CC (and if so, which one) or in addition to them?

I loved HOK's debut and share your high hopes, but we have to keep in mind that * minus all their tall defenders was not really representative of the AFL standard. It was still a game in front of 75,000 at the G so I don't want to diminish his achievement, but I don’t expect him to take 5 contested marks in another game this year.


HOK hasn't been conditioned to play 4 quarters of AFL footy week in week out, and as a result will not play every game for the remainder of the year.

If Harry is held back this week, HOK will obviously stay, but trhe question on HOKs position should be viewed as the chop out ruck, and where he is positioned when on the field when not giving the chop out will depend where Charlie and Harry play if all are playing in same team.

Last game HOK took a couple of big contested marks presenting on the wing, like Harry does, so we know he can play that role. Another role could be the target at FF (as Young did) to stretch and open the forwardline whilst Charlie plays, leads to the 50 arc, and Harry can be the outlet marking target around the wing, or even the HB. He could play the defensive 3rd tall like Kemp was and Young did when Kemp was out injured. If TDK is off the ground resting, HOK can allow Harry to ruck, and HOK and Charlie are the 2 KPF targets OR, he's on the bench giving our forward line a different look.

Effectively he would be the 3rd tall forward/ chop out in the ruck.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:04 pm 
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Being a realist is better than someone who loves something so much they can’t see the forest from the trees
One Preliminary Final in 25 years during a period of equalization

Ask CK about how I was at the BBQ
I’m a positive happy guy
Just a realist when it comes to the CFC
Cazzeman let me remind you of something
When SOS was appointed the List Manager at Carlton I was critical of it because he performed poorly in that role at GWS
After the first year the wheels fell off because he is simply a shit list manager compared to others
Interesting to see Zac Tuohy on the Front Bar last night
So I went back in time
Just couldn’t help myself
Cutting to the chase SOS gave away Zac Tuohy and a future second rounder( ironically Lachie Fogarty)
We got in return
Caleb Marchbank
Jarred Pickett
Billie Smedts
Polson
Williamson
Kerr
In effect we gave a very good player who went on to play close to 300 games for 6 spuds
Marchbank was ok when fit but nothing on Zac Tuohy
You half defended him because he was employed buy the Carlton Football Club
As soon as he fell out with Liddle and dropped a shitload on the club on SEN he became public enemy number one to you
You and your mates are so blinkered
I’m not
It’s not negativity
Its realism
You couldn’t @#$%&! up a trade any more worse if you tried

Watch StKilda go down the shithouse

What gets me is how a guy is so shit at his job get 3 bites of the cherry
It happens because are blinded to the facts
It’s called being a human I guess


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:08 pm 
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I think we'll go with no changes this week. Binns, Durdin and Young to travel with the squad. I can't see any reason to bundle a bloke with a sore knee into a plane for four hours just so he can be a test.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:18 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Being a realist is better than someone who loves something so much they can’t see the forest from the trees
One Preliminary Final in 25 years during a period of equalization

Ask CK about how I was at the BBQ
I’m a positive happy guy
Just a realist when it comes to the CFC



Yes, I'd agree & so would tommi. You'd had a tiff with him leading up to the bbq & even literally smoked the peace pipe with him in the middle of Princes Park :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:23 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Being a realist is better than someone who loves something so much they can’t see the forest from the trees
One Preliminary Final in 25 years during a period of equalization

Ask CK about how I was at the BBQ
I’m a positive happy guy
Just a realist when it comes to the CFC


I think you make some good points, but to me, you look for ways to degrade your own, and your basis is from the past not the future.

In the real world, you have to have a glass half full approach if you are going to take on the challenge.

Know your past, and respect it, know your present, and without the former two you will find it difficult to see the future. Your problem is your stuck in the past, and you dirty the waters of today. We are not that far off. We just have to find a way. Putting all your energy in the past, as you do, I wouldn't employ you as a strategist. You're too negative. You can't be a good strategist if you're too negative. You wont see the forest from the trees.

Just because you call yourself a realist, doesn't mean you are. Trump thinks he's a realist. Its his way or the highway, and he couldn't give a fk about anyone else's opinion or cause, because, to him, they're all idiots. Ring a bell?

I have no doubt you are a different person when not behind a keyboard. We all are.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:40 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
there have been sooooo many hindsight geniuses....


Speaking for myself I have 20/20 hindsight vision . I get a ten out of ten perfect score every time .

:thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:40 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
Being a realist is better than someone who loves something so much they can’t see the forest from the trees
One Preliminary Final in 25 years during a period of equalization

Ask CK about how I was at the BBQ
I’m a positive happy guy
Just a realist when it comes to the CFC


I think you make some good points, but to me, you look for ways to degrade your own, and your basis is from the past not the future.

In the real world, you have to have a glass half full approach if you are going to take on the challenge.

Know your past, and respect it, know your present, and without the former two you will find it difficult to see the future. Your problem is your stuck in the past, and you dirty the waters of today. We are not that far off. We just have to find a way. Putting all your energy in the past, as you do, I wouldn't employ you as a strategist. You're too negative. You can't be a good strategist if you're too negative. You wont see the forest from the trees.

Just because you call yourself a realist, doesn't mean you are. Trump thinks he's a realist. Its his way or the highway, and he couldn't give a fk about anyone else's opinion or cause, because, to him, they're all idiots. Ring a bell?

I have no doubt you are a different person when not behind a keyboard. We all are.


You’ve got it wrong
It’s the club that’s stuck it in the past and some of the posters on here who are so happy we beat a depleted Essendon*
The one thing constant in life is change
Gone is paying guys way overs
Gone is putting all your faith in one 18 year old
Gone is employing people based on their name rather than their past performance
Gone is having Presidents who are just successful at getting rich
You talk about degrading your own
You mean fellow Carlton Supporters
Just because we support the same team doesn’t mean we share the same views about the club performs
And there is plenty of degrading towards me
That’s fine
I actually love a good discussion
It works both ways Bondi
Unfortunately some people live in one-way streets
It’s the club that’s still ancient
I’m stubborn and lack some feelings at times
But I’m not stuck in the past
That’s one of the problems the club still has
Not to the extent of 25 years ago thank gd


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:49 pm 
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I wouldn't say realist, I'd say someone who succumbs to illusory correlation.

as to the forests/ tree - I see them, and the sky and hear the birds and the water and watch the sunrises and sunsets and still enjoy it when we beat Essendon*... I can do multiple things because one does not cancel out the other, that's where you get it so wrong so often.
P.S. I am so sorry I have no recollection of you at the BBQ, I am aware that it is a fault of mine.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:55 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
I wouldn't say realist, I'd say someone who succumbs to illusory correlation.

as to the forests/ tree - I see them, and the sky and hear the birds and the water and watch the sunrises and sunsets and still enjoy it when we beat Essendon**... I can do multiple things because one does not cancel out the other, that's where you get it so wrong so often.
P.S. I am so sorry I have no recollection of you at the BBQ, I am aware that it is a fault of mine.

What’s illusory about a club playing one losing preliminary in 25 years
It’s obvious you and others have to much blind faith going on
Your psyche analysis of me is fine
We clearly will never meet to piss each other off
But facts
Facts
How is it possible that a guy orchestrated a trade that let go one of our better players to get 6 spuds
I know what the response will be
Hindsight Keogh
Recruiting isn’t an exact science
Your not in the inner sanctum
Then some view of me like I’m sitting on one of those curved couches while you take notes
Hilarious mate
I guess the one thing that matters is not what you think
It’s what Wright will do from July onwards


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:08 pm 
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keogh wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
I wouldn't say realist, I'd say someone who succumbs to illusory correlation.

as to the forests/ tree - I see them, and the sky and hear the birds and the water and watch the sunrises and sunsets and still enjoy it when we beat Essendon***... I can do multiple things because one does not cancel out the other, that's where you get it so wrong so often.
P.S. I am so sorry I have no recollection of you at the BBQ, I am aware that it is a fault of mine.

What’s illusory about a club playing one losing preliminary in 25 years


It is what it is.

Its in the past.

It drives us

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:10 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
I wouldn't say realist, I'd say someone who succumbs to illusory correlation.

as to the forests/ tree - I see them, and the sky and hear the birds and the water and watch the sunrises and sunsets and still enjoy it when we beat Essendon****... I can do multiple things because one does not cancel out the other, that's where you get it so wrong so often.
P.S. I am so sorry I have no recollection of you at the BBQ, I am aware that it is a fault of mine.

What’s illusory about a club playing one losing preliminary in 25 years


It is what it is.

Its in the past.

It drives us

No
You learn from it so you don’t @#$%&! up twice


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:17 pm 
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keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
Being a realist is better than someone who loves something so much they can’t see the forest from the trees
One Preliminary Final in 25 years during a period of equalization

Ask CK about how I was at the BBQ
I’m a positive happy guy
Just a realist when it comes to the CFC


I think you make some good points, but to me, you look for ways to degrade your own, and your basis is from the past not the future.

In the real world, you have to have a glass half full approach if you are going to take on the challenge.

Know your past, and respect it, know your present, and without the former two you will find it difficult to see the future. Your problem is your stuck in the past, and you dirty the waters of today. We are not that far off. We just have to find a way. Putting all your energy in the past, as you do, I wouldn't employ you as a strategist. You're too negative. You can't be a good strategist if you're too negative. You wont see the forest from the trees.

Just because you call yourself a realist, doesn't mean you are. Trump thinks he's a realist. Its his way or the highway, and he couldn't give a fk about anyone else's opinion or cause, because, to him, they're all idiots. Ring a bell?

I have no doubt you are a different person when not behind a keyboard. We all are.


You’ve got it wrong
It’s the club that’s stuck it in the past and some of the posters on here who are so happy we beat a depleted Essendon** Don't you see something wrong that you frown upon enjoy a win in a game that you measure by wins and losses?
The one thing constant in life is change We have made attempts to change in 2015, and its a constant every year
Gone is paying guys way overs See List Mgt thread for my post today with quotes provided so you understand the new world
Gone is putting all your faith in one 18 year old Who? There's 46 on our list
Gone is employing people based on their name rather than their past performance who?
Gone is having Presidents who are just successful at getting rich who are the poor Presidents?
You talk about degrading your own Mate you degrade a win
You mean fellow Carlton Supporters
Just because we support the same team doesn’t mean we share the same views about the club performs
And there is plenty of degrading towards me No there's not. You encourage the attention
That’s fine
I actually love a good discussion
It works both ways Bondi
Unfortunately some people live in one-way streets
It’s the club that’s still ancient 150 years old and still a respected club despite Evans and Demetriou trying to kill it in 2002
I’m stubborn and lack some feelings at times
But I’m not stuck in the past
That’s one of the problems the club still has
Not to the extent of 25 years ago thank gd

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:49 pm 
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Voss v Kingsley
I’m not advocating we sack Voss buts an example of name wins
By the way Wright had no interest in Voss coaching Collingwood
Presidents
Geez you opened a can of worms there
Priestly I won’t pass judgment yet except he hasn’t been it he limelight which can be good sign
Luke Sayers a guy whose company was involved in in a government tax scandal which involved employees losing their jobs
He pleaded no knowledge at a government inquiry resigns then forms his own company
Meanwhile he decided to have complete review of the footy club
In words only
Truth is it was about getting rid of Liddle and Teague and replacing them with Cook and Lyon
There was zero review of the footy department Lloyd or anyone else
This guy has zero credibility
Of course he ain’t the first guy to crash due to the power of the pussy but hey he shouldn’t have been our President in the first place judging by his time at Price Waterhouse Coopers
Wouldn’t it be refreshing to have someone at the helm who cares about people before themselves
Degrading a win
Too right I will
It’s a national competition
Essendon* like us haven’t adjusted to the rules that have been in place for 25 years
And they had a third of their team out


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What a boring conversation, all because keogh still won't acknowledge that you can be happy about winning one game while being concerned or unhappy about the long-term picture - even though the likes of Danny keep pointing it out. Is this board a place to exchange views or just post your own rants and move on? Maybe you guys should exchange phone numbers and perhaps then you'll make the breakthrough.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:51 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
What a boring conversation, all because keogh still won't acknowledge that you can be happy about winning one game while being concerned or unhappy about the long-term picture - even though the likes of Danny keep pointing it out. Is this board a place to exchange views or just post your own rants and move on? Maybe you guys should exchange phone numbers and perhaps then you'll make the breakthrough.


I agree
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:18 pm 
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keogh wrote:

Cazzeman let me remind you of something
When SOS was appointed the List Manager at Carlton I was critical of it because he performed poorly in that role at GWS
After the first year the wheels fell off because he is simply a shit list manager compared to others
Interesting to see Zac Tuohy on the Front Bar last night
So I went back in time
Just couldn’t help myself
Cutting to the chase SOS gave away Zac Tuohy and a future second rounder( ironically Lachie Fogarty)
We got in return
Caleb Marchbank
Jarred Pickett
Billie Smedts
Polson
Williamson
Kerr
In effect we gave a very good player who went on to play close to 300 games for 6 spuds
Marchbank was ok when fit but nothing on Zac Tuohy
You half defended him because he was employed buy the Carlton Football Club
As soon as he fell out with Liddle and dropped a shitload on the club on SEN he became public enemy number one to you
You and your mates are so blinkered
I’m not
It’s not negativity
Its realism
You couldn’t @#$%&! up a trade any more worse if you tried

Watch StKilda go down the shithouse

What gets me is how a guy is so shit at his job get 3 bites of the cherry
It happens because are blinded to the facts
It’s called being a human I guess


Ummmmmmmm Keogh me old cobber..........Any denigration of SOS you wish to post is 100% fine by me. I worked with him for one year and he spoke to me twice. I won't speak ill of him, but let me just say I was happy to hand in my notice.

I left because SOS cut ALL the part-timers pay by 1/2, to pay for his mate Paul Brodie. The irony is that years later he and Brodie had a massive falling out and no-longer speak. Karma.

I don't recall defending SOS at the time, but if you say so. I'm not big on airing dirty laundry.

Just as an aside, your favourite Mr. Wells asked me if I needed a job. I said thanks, but no thanks.

For Info, Andrew Mackie took over as the Geelong List Manager from Wells at the end of 2021. Wells slid back to the Recruitment Manager.

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