An interesting stat from one of the podcasts
Whilst stats show we are a good stoppage team with first possession clearances we are second last for second possession clearances
We also have Adam Cerra first for us as far as metres gained
He is ranked 46
This stat is of course dominated by HBF and mids
That shows a real lack of zip
Needs to be addressed but hey as Voss alluded to
“ Rome wasn’t built in a day”

No but 3.5 years should have the slab down by then
By the way if anyone is interested Saad is ranked 73 rd in this stat
The shows a significant lowering of performance for him

Not a lowering of performance at all. It's a lowering of one metric. Saad is playing a different role this year. More of a lock down small defender because we don't have anyone else who can do it successfully.

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I'm not sure what the relevance is for thus week's game.

Are you suggesting dropping Cerra and Saad, or is it we don't take advantage of Saad's pace and we should find another player to stand on the oppo's small forward instead of him?

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Ok so where would you think Saad would rank in contested defensive one on ones
126 th
He has had 6 contested defensive one on ones for the season
Doesn’t sound like a lockdown defender to me
The point I’m making with the other stats is it’s highlights our lack of zip, poor ball movement and the sameness about our mids
McGovern has had 10 contested defensive one on ones and he often doesn’t have an opponent

So you think none of us have noticed lack of zip, poor ball movement or the sameness about our mids? Think we have been too busy burying our heads in the sand?

p.s. I would have thought that may have been why they recruited Jagga...just a thought.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

So, drop Saad?

If not, this is the wrong thread to prove your point we paid too much for Saad, Cerra and McGovern....oh, now I get it.

7 defenders each team x 18 teams gives us 126 defenders.
Saad is 126th. Do you really believe that of all the AFL's defenders Saad is the worst?

I think I'd rather rely on my eye test. I don't trust whoever and however they come to this conclusion. Ive seen saad win one on ones this year. I'd be interested to hear of any poster who hasn't seen Saad win a one on one, or do you need a whole new definition of one on ones?

When we play the likes of Melbourne who have a small speedy forward like Pickett, in fact any opposition with a speedy forward, who would you stand on him? For me its Saad every time. The one thing you need to combat speed is to stay with the opponent with speed, and only Saad has that.

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Hit nail on head.

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Geez a lot of negativity on here
Saad has underperformed for a while
And I reckon he should play further up the ground
But there are the stats
I was interested in what Chris Scott said about drafting Connor O’Sullivan at pick 11 in 2023
Scott said he is wary of using high draft pick to get key position players Wells said that the kid has an awesome tank for a guy who is 198 cm
Blicvas mark 2
O’Sullivan is a gun
I don’t want to barrack for Geelong
I barrack for Carlton but we arnt as good as Geelong when it comes to recruiting
Danny boy
Stephen Wells do you know him ?
Take your Carlton hat off and look at the comp as a whole
We are where we at because compared to others we don’t do things as good

I wouldn’t drop Saad
I would play him on a wing
On ball
Because he is the one guy who can run and kick with penetration
Give Wilson the responsibility of being the lockdown small defender
Trust the kid
How can he feel he can do it when Voss plays Fantasia Acres McGovern
Every week

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Negativity? Towards what?
That’s your role. I thought you were playing devils advocate.

I’m a fan of Saad. Huge fan.
I come from a Markting background
Amazing what marketers can do with statistics. I am guilty.

The point about Saad is that we have wasted his talents as a lockdown defender
I wish we had 2 or 3 of him, but our priority has been defence first, and we haven’t got anyone to replace him with

I don’t mind cameos from Saad in the guts or forwardline, but you may not know this, but Saad isn’t built to run for long periods. He’s a burst runner.

What’s your point about Wells and OSullivan?
What are you trying to achieve?
All you’re doing is telling us about people we can’t have, and don’t have
No other team is Geelong. So what.

Are you suggesting we target Wells or are you saying Geelong is fkd when Wells retires.
He’s been at Geelong since the 80’s. We beat them regularly in the 80s and 90s.
Now it’s their turn. Geelong have been blessed with Father Sons.
Wells will not be around for much longer, then what?
You’re not suggesting we try and lure him over like we did with Cooke.

Yeah the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, we know that but we need to look for solutions.
We are not that far off. There’s smart people at every club, but our recruiting since the penalties in 2002 failed to give us a slab before SOS. SOS gave us a spine but failed thereafter.

What’s your point? We need better recruiters? OK, you will get your wish end of year, then what? We are not getting Stephen Wells. Live with it or you will be frustrated whilst he’s alive.

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Yep that’s why we gave up a heap of depth plus our best small forward and a good mid who could play a variety of of roles plus a first and second rounder for a kid

Most 19 year olds no matter how good will struggle to play a whole season as a mid
And “ our window “ was open last year
Have a look at the recruitment in the last few years
We had Cripps the best inside mid in the comp
We went with Walsh
A one paced player
Rozee and Butters were available
We went with Cerra
Etc
We thought Williams would make that zippy onballer and paid him 900000 a season over 6 years based on one game in the midfield a preliminary final in the wet
Don’t you get it
Our midfield has been one paced for years
We have had the recruiting chances to fix it and [REDACTED] it up

Glad you got it
Not as dumb as as I thought

We might be not far off it but Austin and his staff have to go
I like some of the kids in the twos but we [REDACTED] up too much with recruiting
The evidence is there
I’m not a strong advocate for sacking coaches but Voss is not the smartest coach going around
The club haven’t addressed the obvious off season
Wells won’t go anywhere
He sets the bench mark
for all recruiters
But hey at least we have StKilda to laugh at

You don’t get it keogh. Love you mate but, you don’t get that we all know where you stand on our past. You’ve been saying the same thing win or lose for years now. Same targets except this year you’re bagging our choice in Jagga Smith.

Listen. We can’t change the past. You have to understand there are no guarantees in life. You know the song….can’t always get what you want but you can always try. That’s it mate. We keep plugging away aiming like all teams to win the big one, but in the meantime give us so,egging to cheer about. You winge and throw mud even when we win.

I like a bit of joy.

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No one. Disputes evidence. Why do you think no one has been listening to your wise words. It’s like Japanese torture. How do you know Voss is not a smart coach from WA? How can anyone think he’s a shot coach when his recruitment team have failed him…have I got that right?

Listen. For your peace of mind, there will be huge changes with those personnel involved with List.

Tell me, honestly, just so I’m on the same page. What is it ithat the club obviously didn’t address in the off season?

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It’s Captain obvious he isn’t a smart coach
If you want the evidence have a look at last years final in Brisbane
Dropped Cincotta Neale and Zorco thought their Christmas’ had come at once
Never play a ruckman as a sub particularly an unfit one in DeKoning
Play Docherty 6 months after a third ACL without a practice match
Subs Kennedy one of our top 10 performers over the previous 3 months before half time
I advocated he needed tactical support
He hasn’t got it
And I ask
Why?
I think the reason might lie in the culture of the club
He is Michael Voss
He was a great player
It will be alright
Watch him talk
He hasn’t the answers and he in his 4 th year
The club don’t do things right
Recruiting
Coaching
And the results show
They simply arnt thorough enough
Go back to O’Sullivan
Scott isn’t into rebuild
I tend to disagree with that but if that’s your philosophy then you act in a way in regards to recruiting and coaching in a certain way to compensate for that philosophy
Scott is reluctant to use a high pick like pick 11 on a key position player because big guys take longer to develop in key positions compared to mids who might play wing or half back before being injected to the midfield
Wells convinced him otherwise because the kid has a massive tank and eventually will make a great replacement for Blicavs for is nearing the end
It’s called thorough recruitment Bondi
We don’t do this
We place our faith in a kid to solve our zip problem
Doesn’t help he does his ACL but unless he is an absolute super freak he wouldn’t make that big a difference at his age
I would of traded McKay for a pick in the first round as well
And play kids
Which to a degree Voss has done but only out of necessity
McKay out Skull in
Selection integrity is a joke
How does Fantasia get picked
Don’t care if Durdin is playing shi although he had been better than Motlop
That needed to be addressed over summer
Has it been addressed
Nup

Well the problem certainly isn't Hewett. He's a good boy, George

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We’ve discussed this rubbish ad nauseum in the last fortnight. FFS we wouldn’t have beaten the Lions with Moir Binns Lord and Cincotta playing. It was a punt on experience vs kids who couldnt play 4 quarters.

I agree that Ossetian agreeing to play Kennedy, and dropping Cincotta were bad decisions but that’s not to do with game plan or in game tactics. You want to hang Voss for that. That’s captain obvious. To all posters who come to the conclusion Voss can’t coach because of those 2 decisions are…..driven by other agendas and foolish and naive. All of them.

One minute it’s a recruiting problem next minute it’s the fkn coach. I asked you questions and you give me your laborious repetitive story. It’s a story not a fact bc it’s in your head mate.


I would do this and I would do that and I I I….fkn hell it’s all about you,

you can’t handle the truth

Listen. After the 2015 Draft SOS built his spine because he was playing the long game…we were rebuilding, so stop the Scott comparison. KPs take longer to develop. What do you think happened after that draft haul? Every first and second round selection apart from DeKoning pick 30 were midfielders because that’s what Scott would have done…..that’s what soS did. Just as you want. Guess what? He failed and if he hadn’t, we wouldn’t need Walsh, but we did. Butters wasn’t even in th3 picture back then so stop the crap. It was Walsh Rozee and Rankine for pick 1.I’m still grateful we picked Walsh,

Do you see the wickedness of your ways? You live in the past. You have no solutions. That’s hard for anyone to stomach. Go read your last 200 posts in a sitting. it’s the same old crap, that leads to nowhere land.

We don’t do this or that, but wells did and Scott did. That such a childish immature perspective, We made our bed, we didn’t have Wells. How the fk could we make the same decisions as wells when he’s in another city? Impossible. That’s the task you set Carlton. The impossible. You are impossible to reason with looking forward.

You really think you’re a better recruiter a better coach and you seem to know everything the coach should be thinking without knowing the facts…non of us have the facts. None. Durdin Fantasia McKay yeah yeah yeah…for who?…Moir Charleson and Lemmey, coz you want to see them on TV.

Your dreaming mate. Get back to the real world. Carlton will be ok even if you come out of th3 closet and barrack for Cats. Go on. You do that and we will start winning flags coz the curse has lifted.

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Is that HOK playing instead of one of TDK, H or CC (and if so, which one) or in addition to them?

I loved HOK's debut and share your high hopes, but we have to keep in mind that * minus all their tall defenders was not really representative of the AFL standard. It was still a game in front of 75,000 at the G so I don't want to diminish his achievement, but I don’t expect him to take 5 contested marks in another game this year.