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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:18 pm 
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Carlton still undefeated enemy injury list is less than 8. Today was 6,

Did I see a loss of dare after 1st qtr

We lost a bit of zip we had in first.

I know we can spot a target in our 50 if we want to.We just don’t do it more than one qtr

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:20 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
If a win is not always a win, does that mean a loss is sometimes not a loss? Because I'll be buggered if I can remember any of you realists expressing satisfaction after a defeat.

Yep
A loss isn’t always a loss
How many losing Grand Finalists win a flag in the next two years
Something we won’t have to worry about in the near future


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:22 pm 
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keogh wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
If a win is not always a win, does that mean a loss is sometimes not a loss? Because I'll be buggered if I can remember any of you realists expressing satisfaction after a defeat.

Yep
A loss isn’t always a loss
How many losing Grand Finalists win a flag in the next two years
Something we won’t have to worry about in the near future


Buy an Eagles membership and treat yourself.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:23 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Cazzeman
I question you may answer
Do you watch other matches
Like Friday nights game Adelaide v Brisbane
If you did ask yourself can you see the difference
Because it’s stark to me
At least tonight’s game wasn’t as low a standard to the West Coast v North near me at Hands Oval in Bunbury
And we play those two teams in the next two weeks
With Port after that we will be 8 and 7 courtesy of a biased draw

Papering the cracks
I get it
Supporters like you live in hope
You class me and others as prophets of doom
I class myself as a realist
We are miles off it
As for Fantasia
He exceeded my expectations by 2 possessions
He had 5
You know you have no depth when he comes back off little preparation
Voss will continue to play these hacked senior players because he doesn’t want to lose his job

Positives
Cincotta should be never be dropped like what happened in last years final
He won us the game tonight but virtually eliminating Merrett the Bombersonly AGrader to a mere spectator
Martin isn’t far off that
Hudson O’Keefe was good
But a win sometimes ain’t a win
We were absolute shit after quarter time against an average team with almost half its team out


To you and Traveller......................In the grand scheme of things where CFC is struggling, would you rather we start to improve with a loss or a win?

If you want to select A) loss. How many losses do we need to have before the Club can have a win and start to improve in your eyes?

We are an average side. Would you rather we take the win and build on that, or just take a loss and continue to make our way down to #18?

Regards Cazzesman


You don't get it.

The win doesn't prove anything. It shows NO improvement. It was a carbon copy of round 1 vs Richmond except we somehow fell over the line this week.

It's the same old shit under Voss. 4 years of this. Four. @#$%&!. Years!!!!

Play a good quarter of footy. Go into our shells, let the team back in. Start panicking. Dump kicks out of defence. Barely hang on.

Keogh is spot on. So many delusional fans who can't see the bigger picture and happy with cheap thrills over meaningful, sustained success.

I'll tell you what - there is nothing, NOTHING that will change my opinion this year. These wins against subpar / depleted opposition do nothing but kick the can down the road. I'll be satisfied when we have a competent coaching group, coherent game plan and unconditional effort and a decent level of skills for four quarters.

This coaching group is a joke. Our players shit themselves in the moment.

Big changes are needed and every "win" delays the inevitable.

Enjoy the sugar hit as I said.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:26 pm 
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I said to my mate after the final siren, "this is the only time I've ever felt nothing after beating Essendon*".

Just about sums it up really.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:29 pm 
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Adrian Gallagher

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Traveller86 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Cazzeman
I question you may answer
Do you watch other matches
Like Friday nights game Adelaide v Brisbane
If you did ask yourself can you see the difference
Because it’s stark to me
At least tonight’s game wasn’t as low a standard to the West Coast v North near me at Hands Oval in Bunbury
And we play those two teams in the next two weeks
With Port after that we will be 8 and 7 courtesy of a biased draw

Papering the cracks
I get it
Supporters like you live in hope
You class me and others as prophets of doom
I class myself as a realist
We are miles off it
As for Fantasia
He exceeded my expectations by 2 possessions
He had 5
You know you have no depth when he comes back off little preparation
Voss will continue to play these hacked senior players because he doesn’t want to lose his job

Positives
Cincotta should be never be dropped like what happened in last years final
He won us the game tonight but virtually eliminating Merrett the Bombersonly AGrader to a mere spectator
Martin isn’t far off that
Hudson O’Keefe was good
But a win sometimes ain’t a win
We were absolute shit after quarter time against an average team with almost half its team out


To you and Traveller......................In the grand scheme of things where CFC is struggling, would you rather we start to improve with a loss or a win?

If you want to select A) loss. How many losses do we need to have before the Club can have a win and start to improve in your eyes?

We are an average side. Would you rather we take the win and build on that, or just take a loss and continue to make our way down to #18?

Regards Cazzesman


You don't get it.

The win doesn't prove anything. It shows NO improvement. It was a carbon copy of round 1 vs Richmond except we somehow fell over the line this week.

It's the same old shit under Voss. 4 years of this. Four. @#$%&!. Years!!!!

Play a good quarter of footy. Go into our shells, let the team back in. Start panicking. Dump kicks out of defence. Barely hang on.

Keogh is spot on. So many delusional fans who can't see the bigger picture and happy with cheap thrills over meaningful, sustained success.

I'll tell you what - there is nothing, NOTHING that will change my opinion this year. These wins against subpar / depleted opposition do nothing but kick the can down the road. I'll be satisfied when we have a competent coaching group, coherent game plan and unconditional effort and a decent level of skills for four quarters.

This coaching group is a joke. Our players shit themselves in the moment.

Big changes are needed and every "win" delays the inevitable.

Enjoy the sugar hit as I said.


@#$%&! spot on. Ground hog day at this deluded club. Voss after the game was pathetic .


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:29 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
If a win is not always a win, does that mean a loss is sometimes not a loss? Because I'll be buggered if I can remember any of you realists expressing satisfaction after a defeat.

Yep
A loss isn’t always a loss
How many losing Grand Finalists win a flag in the next two years
Something we won’t have to worry about in the near future


Buy an Eagles membership and treat yourself.

Regards Cazzesman


I saw a kid at the gym yesterday with an eagles hoodie, almost fell over. He bought it at sports direct coz he liked the color.... I live in the middle of the UK....

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:30 pm 
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Nitrille wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Cazzeman
I question you may answer
Do you watch other matches
Like Friday nights game Adelaide v Brisbane
If you did ask yourself can you see the difference
Because it’s stark to me
At least tonight’s game wasn’t as low a standard to the West Coast v North near me at Hands Oval in Bunbury
And we play those two teams in the next two weeks
With Port after that we will be 8 and 7 courtesy of a biased draw

Papering the cracks
I get it
Supporters like you live in hope
You class me and others as prophets of doom
I class myself as a realist
We are miles off it
As for Fantasia
He exceeded my expectations by 2 possessions
He had 5
You know you have no depth when he comes back off little preparation
Voss will continue to play these hacked senior players because he doesn’t want to lose his job

Positives
Cincotta should be never be dropped like what happened in last years final
He won us the game tonight but virtually eliminating Merrett the Bombersonly AGrader to a mere spectator
Martin isn’t far off that
Hudson O’Keefe was good
But a win sometimes ain’t a win
We were absolute shit after quarter time against an average team with almost half its team out


To you and Traveller......................In the grand scheme of things where CFC is struggling, would you rather we start to improve with a loss or a win?

If you want to select A) loss. How many losses do we need to have before the Club can have a win and start to improve in your eyes?

We are an average side. Would you rather we take the win and build on that, or just take a loss and continue to make our way down to #18?

Regards Cazzesman


You don't get it.

The win doesn't prove anything. It shows NO improvement. It was a carbon copy of round 1 vs Richmond except we somehow fell over the line this week.

It's the same old shit under Voss. 4 years of this. Four. @#$%&!. Years!!!!

Play a good quarter of footy. Go into our shells, let the team back in. Start panicking. Dump kicks out of defence. Barely hang on.

Keogh is spot on. So many delusional fans who can't see the bigger picture and happy with cheap thrills over meaningful, sustained success.

I'll tell you what - there is nothing, NOTHING that will change my opinion this year. These wins against subpar / depleted opposition do nothing but kick the can down the road. I'll be satisfied when we have a competent coaching group, coherent game plan and unconditional effort and a decent level of skills for four quarters.

This coaching group is a joke. Our players shit themselves in the moment.

Big changes are needed and every "win" delays the inevitable.

Enjoy the sugar hit as I said.


@#$%&! spot on. Ground hog day at this deluded club. Voss after the game was pathetic .


What did he say?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:32 pm 
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Craig Bradley

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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Cazzeman
I question you may answer
Do you watch other matches
Like Friday nights game Adelaide v Brisbane
If you did ask yourself can you see the difference
Because it’s stark to me
At least tonight’s game wasn’t as low a standard to the West Coast v North near me at Hands Oval in Bunbury
And we play those two teams in the next two weeks
With Port after that we will be 8 and 7 courtesy of a biased draw

Papering the cracks
I get it
Supporters like you live in hope
You class me and others as prophets of doom
I class myself as a realist
We are miles off it
As for Fantasia
He exceeded my expectations by 2 possessions
He had 5
You know you have no depth when he comes back off little preparation
Voss will continue to play these hacked senior players because he doesn’t want to lose his job

Positives
Cincotta should be never be dropped like what happened in last years final
He won us the game tonight but virtually eliminating Merrett the Bombersonly AGrader to a mere spectator
Martin isn’t far off that
Hudson O’Keefe was good
But a win sometimes ain’t a win
We were absolute shit after quarter time against an average team with almost half its team out


To you and Traveller......................In the grand scheme of things where CFC is struggling, would you rather we start to improve with a loss or a win?

If you want to select A) loss. How many losses do we need to have before the Club can have a win and start to improve in your eyes?

We are an average side. Would you rather we take the win and build on that, or just take a loss and continue to make our way down to #18?

Regards Cazzesman

How do you build on that win
What do you gain out of it
We were absolutely deplorable after quarter time
Essendon* like us are average
We don’t have a young list anymore
We are bereft of leadership on the field
We have no system
We have no run
Everything we do requires a humongous effort
An interesting stat
In terms of metres gained we don’t have one player in the top 60
That shows how well we move the ball
Our first pick in this years draft is Brisbanes second rounder (around pick 40)
We have half a dozen players on ridiculous overpaid long term contracts who arnt performing

This win means nothing to me
Neither will the next two wins because the opposition is so shit
It’s long term I think about
I still give a shit about us getting better but it’s slowly evaporating
That’s why these wins mean nothing to me
Clearly change to the list must happen


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:43 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Blue4ever wrote:
Despite his goal in the last qtr, I thought Acres was terrible and started the rot in the 2nd and 3rd qtr.

He was moving at half pace, the game is so quick now he cant always rely on his strength/body size to get out of trouble. He's hurting us big time.


I saw his game differently, thought he contested well at both ends, gave us an outlet and had 29 disposals with none out on the full. Intercepts, marks, inside 50, metres gained and contested possession numbers all excellent, but the stat I liked best was his 91% time on ground: it's a huge help to the team to have a bloke who can run and contest and not chew up rotations. I gave him 2 MVP votes, his first from me this year I think.
His set shot went OOF

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:44 pm 
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any injuries? did cerra do a hammy?


so, we stopped playing foty after the 1st?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:48 pm 
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Ugh... this team. They're so hard to love. We played so well in the first quarter. Run. Dare. Through the middle. Quick ball movement. Then the quarter ended and so did everything. Suddenly, we wanted to play the boundary. Long down the line. Slow ball movement. No movement. First instinct was to look backwards or sideways. Never forward or in the middle and of we did find ourselves with the ball in the middle, we wanted to get back to the wings.

It has to be the way they're instructed to play. And it's just shitful.

Get a lead by playing dynamic football then revert to a defensive, safe, dour game style to hold on for 3 quarters.

Shout out to Olli Hollands. He was the one who was prepared to run and break the lines and give us something when it was on the line.

Any win against this mob is good, but geez we make hard work of it. Footy ain't fun with the Blues

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 11:48 pm 
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Went to the game. It sure is hard being a Carlton supporter.
Of course I am happy with the win but a very frustrating game to watch.
We look so good in the first quarter and then we just fall away, not sure what happens but it is happening too often.
Good games by Ollie, Cerra, Walsh, Hewitt and TDK. Motlop was pretty good too. I thought H'OK had a good debut, took some good marks.
We won, better than losing but we have alot of work to do.
JSOS was good too.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 12:13 am 
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Traveller86 wrote:
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Keogh is spot on. So many delusional fans who can't see the bigger picture and happy with cheap thrills over meaningful, sustained success.

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Stop attacking people for having the audacity to enjoy winning a game of football. It's not delusion, read the posts during the game, everyone can see our flaws and feels the frustration, you're not a @#$%&! expert or a nostradamus, you're just being a killjoy. Let people be happy for a few minutes. Christ's sake.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 1:11 am 
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I’m happy we won. Scrappy win, but we were tough all game. So many players down, Weitering, Cripps, McGovern. George quiet. Charlie so so. The scums kicking was arsey. Ours was bad.

We smashed them really in general play, just didn’t put it on the scoreboard so it doesn’t reflect our domination.

We beat the scum. Enjoy!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 1:18 am 
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The_Cranium wrote:

Shout out to Olli Hollands. He was the one who was prepared to run and break the lines and give us something when it was on the line.




Indeedo!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 8:51 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
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Keogh is spot on. So many delusional fans who can't see the bigger picture and happy with cheap thrills over meaningful, sustained success.

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Stop attacking people for having the audacity to enjoy winning a game of football. It's not delusion, read the posts during the game, everyone can see our flaws and feels the frustration, you're not a @#$%&! expert or a nostradamus, you're just being a killjoy. Let people be happy for a few minutes. Christ's sake.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 8:53 am 
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The issue I have is playing players like Fantasia McGovern Acres Williams and a few others
Acres and Williams were good tonight but for me it’s about long term
There is enough of a sample size
We have been average for over a year now
This list will at the max take us to a elimination final at best
That is captain obvious
That’s why I didn’t get excited about last nights win
It means stuff all if Voss continues to put faith in these players

On the positives side there are finally some kids coming through who might be ok
The Campo twins particularly Ben
Wilson and Lemmey are getting better
O’Farrell
O’ Keefe was good tonight
At some point Voss needs to pull the trigger
Playing the blokes listed above is treading water


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:00 am 
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its was a win ... and there isnt much more to say about it ..

im starting to like the idea of if a player is conscussed (like cerra almost was) then the opposing side loses a player as well ... i like to think i played the game (not at the elite level) as hard as anyone ... and i've looked at the cerra bump and i cant see why there is any contest to it.

what durham (i think) did has always been illegal and dangerous, or do i have a blue one eyed glasses on.

but my biggest issue is

Curnow

There was a moment in the last, where he just didnt commit. not even half a commit. no pressure what so ever.

for mine, that was the worst act of the night by Carlton, from what is supposed to be one our leaders ... i rarely get upset at players, but i was furious after that. he should be dropped for a month.

forget what other positives he brings to the side, this is about setting a standard, and in that moment, he let himself, his team mates, his coach, the fans ... everyone down ... and there was an effort by mcgovern which wasnt far behind it ...

there are only a few aspects you can control in a game, effort is one of them.

We dont show enough effort and commitment to our team members and that is on the coaching panel for allowing that to happen, with no recourse.

and dont give me this marlakey about essendum having half a side .. we have a few kids running around as well (some i like the look of by the way)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:02 am 
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We beat the Junkies, that is always a positive.

Is Cripps broken again? He seems to be labouring.

Does Hayes have a trigger for next year, he been pretty good.

Ollie was good, loved HOK’s debut.

Does Curnow care?


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