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bondiblue
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2025 1:49 pm 
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I can't see how anyone as one-sided as Saad can make it as a forward


I'm sure there have been plenty of one sided small forwards who have been a success.
I can't recall Cyril kicking a goal or using his left foot, but I do recall Saady kicking a goal and passing with his right foot.
Obviously see more of Saady than Cyril.

Like you, my confidence in small forwards leans on their ability to kick on both sides.

With Saady, to visualise his ability to succeed as mainly a left footer depends on how much you value his elusiveness.
How many times have you seen Saad in trouble whether its on his left or right, and find a way to get clear to find a way to use his left? I'd say nearly every game.

I think he's too valuable playing as an attacking HBF. Hopefully Boydy is back to emancipate Saad from his lockdown roles on the oppos most dangerous small forwards, because of his....speed.

We will never know for sure till he is given the small forwards role.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2025 1:52 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
At minimum [Saad] could play HF like Beau McCreery and be the just as damaging linking out of defence and hitting the goals, Cotters role essentially.
Either way, it's potentially a great problem to have with Cinc coming back soon.


Agree with both points: HHF and Chinka's return

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jpulice1969
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2025 1:47 pm 
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why are we leaving the door open for newman to return in 25 ,we should go to msd with 2 selections and hopefully land a couple quick strong players that our list needs . Over to Austin and Co
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Mickstar
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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jpulice1969 wrote:
why are we leaving the door open for newman to return in 25 ,we should go to msd with 2 selections and hopefully land a couple quick strong players that our list needs . Over to Austin and Co


We are leaving the door open for Newman to reward him for his hard work and dedication .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2025 11:36 am 
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jpulice1969 wrote:
why are we leaving the door open for newman to return in 25 ,we should go to msd with 2 selections and hopefully land a couple quick strong players that our list needs . Over to Austin and Co


We are leaving the door open for Newman to reward him for his hard work and dedication .



... and was in the AA conversation last year, and our best medium size defender, and our best outlet kick, and a player we need in Finals for his hardness, leadership and direction on the ground.

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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2025 12:23 pm 
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Happy for Newman to play as long as he's properly ready.
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Traveller86
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2025 8:26 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
As much as I hate to say it - we need to do what the Pies did in 2021.

New coach.

Gut the list without going full rebuild mode. Fire sale/salary dump/whatever you want to call it.

Build a side around TDK, Cripps (yes I know he's 30 but you can't get rid of him), Weiters, Charlie (stop playing him injured ffs!!!) and Hewett. Keep all the young kids under 22.

Everyone else - on the table. Priority number 1 is to get 2 first rounders / quality ready made players for Harry McKay - he's not gonna win us a flag.

Everyone being on the table doesn't mean we get rid of everyone - it gives us options to secure what we need.

No more mega contracts for average B and C grade free agents.

Recruit good kicks and speedsters.

It can turn very quickly. The pies almost won 2 flags in a row after they were being laughed at when they gutted their list in 2021.

We don't need to blow up the joint, but we need to seriously shake its foundations!

This really is the last chance before Tassie comes in, otherwise we're gonna lose another decade.

I hope Graham Wright can do it. I worry about the egos and boys club still on the board that would prevent him doing his job.


I called this after round 2 and stand by it.

In fact I would let TDK go if we can get a decent ruck in to replace him (Marshall straight swap?) as he ain’t worth $1m a season.

Charlie as much as he shits me might actually get the message if we ruthlessly cut McKay out of the club.
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Sydney Blue
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2025 8:58 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
As much as I hate to say it - we need to do what the Pies did in 2021.

New coach.

Gut the list without going full rebuild mode. Fire sale/salary dump/whatever you want to call it.

Build a side around TDK, Cripps (yes I know he's 30 but you can't get rid of him), Weiters, Charlie (stop playing him injured ffs!!!) and Hewett. Keep all the young kids under 22.

Everyone else - on the table. Priority number 1 is to get 2 first rounders / quality ready made players for Harry McKay - he's not gonna win us a flag.

Everyone being on the table doesn't mean we get rid of everyone - it gives us options to secure what we need.

No more mega contracts for average B and C grade free agents.

Recruit good kicks and speedsters.

It can turn very quickly. The pies almost won 2 flags in a row after they were being laughed at when they gutted their list in 2021.

We don't need to blow up the joint, but we need to seriously shake its foundations!

This really is the last chance before Tassie comes in, otherwise we're gonna lose another decade.

I hope Graham Wright can do it. I worry about the egos and boys club still on the board that would prevent him doing his job.


I called this after round 2 and stand by it.

In fact I would let TDK go if we can get a decent ruck in to replace him (Marshall straight swap?) as he ain’t worth $1m a season.

Charlie as much as he shits me might actually get the message if we ruthlessly cut McKay out of the club.
Maybe Harry might get the message if we cut Charlie

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Traveller86
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2025 9:11 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
As much as I hate to say it - we need to do what the Pies did in 2021.

New coach.

Gut the list without going full rebuild mode. Fire sale/salary dump/whatever you want to call it.

Build a side around TDK, Cripps (yes I know he's 30 but you can't get rid of him), Weiters, Charlie (stop playing him injured ffs!!!) and Hewett. Keep all the young kids under 22.

Everyone else - on the table. Priority number 1 is to get 2 first rounders / quality ready made players for Harry McKay - he's not gonna win us a flag.

Everyone being on the table doesn't mean we get rid of everyone - it gives us options to secure what we need.

No more mega contracts for average B and C grade free agents.

Recruit good kicks and speedsters.

It can turn very quickly. The pies almost won 2 flags in a row after they were being laughed at when they gutted their list in 2021.

We don't need to blow up the joint, but we need to seriously shake its foundations!

This really is the last chance before Tassie comes in, otherwise we're gonna lose another decade.

I hope Graham Wright can do it. I worry about the egos and boys club still on the board that would prevent him doing his job.


I called this after round 2 and stand by it.

In fact I would let TDK go if we can get a decent ruck in to replace him (Marshall straight swap?) as he ain’t worth $1m a season.

Charlie as much as he shits me might actually get the message if we ruthlessly cut McKay out of the club.
Maybe Harry might get the message if we cut Charlie

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Nah, harry is soft more than lazy. Charlie isn’t soft, just lazy.
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jpulice1969
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 3:00 pm 
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our year is done get newman 100% for 26 ,Give us another selection MSD wednesday and hopefully Nick can land young strong quick body player that we desperately need.
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missnaut
 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 7:30 pm 
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post on BF by an old time ITK (marcshmurf3) who says, "don't be surprised if one of the players in our leadership group moves clubs at the end of year".

AFAIK Cripps, Walsh, Weitering and Curnow make up that group.

Obvs still a bit of the season to go... But interesting discussion.
I don't reckon anyone's untouchable these days.
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kezza
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 8:07 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
post on BF by an old time ITK (marcshmurf3) who says, "don't be surprised if one of the players in our leadership group moves clubs at the end of year".

AFAIK Cripps, Walsh, Weitering and Curnow make up that group.

Obvs still a bit of the season to go... But interesting discussion.
I don't reckon anyone's untouchable these days.

I was just about to post this.
I have just caught up on the news on there. It would appear it is either Walsh or Charlie.
Rumours that Walsh wanted out at the end of last year and another ITK poster suggesting it is Charlie.
marcshmurf3 hinting it is Charlie.
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Drewgirl
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 9:25 pm 
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Why do all our players sook. The so called seniors are the issues. Walsh - he needs to take a hard look at himself. Why would he be disgruntled. He has been shit. Charlie, Cripps, TDK are all interested in their business’s . And Charlie and TDK surfing and mucking around.

The young ones are going ok. It’s Weitering, Charlie, Walsh, Cripps, McGovern, harry, Cerra, acres etc making stupid errors.

So someone wants to go? Mate blame yourselves.

How did we get into this shit again….. mind boggling.
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Crusader
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 9:48 pm 
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Blind Freddy can see there’s a clash of personalities at the top.

Aldi were all out of tin foil, but I couldn’t help but notice Cripps covering his mouth when talking to Walsh as they walked off on Saturday.

Secret squirrel… no lip readers allowed.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2025 10:39 pm 
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I don't know whether that talking behind the hand thing started in the US or European football, but everyone's doing it now - I reckon they just do it to be cool. If Crippa and Walsh wanted a private word they could do it (and more, nttawwt) in the locker room.
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Sydney Blue
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 12:15 am 
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The growth of your players comes in their 4th 5th and 6th year of football.
Ages 22 to 25. This is when they establish themselves as footballers. Once they reach 26 they rarely get much better. There will be slight changes but not much.
We only have 6 players in that growth bracket. Walsh Cerra Durdin Cotrell Kemp and Elijah. So 3 can't get on the park.

Now let's compare this age bracket with other teams that have gone past us.
Gold Coast 17 players in that group
Crows 21
Hawks 14
Cats 13
Even pies have 12
Bulldogs 13

This is poor list management. They know it takes time for players 21 and younger to establish themselves we have 17 in that group.
They know players 26 plus aren't getting much better we have 19 in that group with 6 spending a significant time on the sidelines.

We haven't improved this year because we have a gaping hole in the list where that improvement was going to come from

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The growth of your players comes in their 4th 5th and 6th year of football.
Ages 22 to 25. This is when they establish themselves as footballers. Once they reach 26 they rarely get much better. There will be slight changes but not much.
We only have 6 players in that growth bracket. Walsh Cerra Durdin Cotrell Kemp and Elijah. So 3 can't get on the park.

Now let's compare this age bracket with other teams that have gone past us.
Gold Coast 17 players in that group
Crows 21
Hawks 14
Cats 13
Even pies have 12
Bulldogs 13

This is poor list management. They know it takes time for players 21 and younger to establish themselves we have 17 in that group.
They know players 26 plus aren't getting much better we have 19 in that group with 6 spending a significant time on the sidelines.

We haven't improved this year because we have a gaping hole in the list where that improvement was going to come from

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Is it poor list management, or are you just now catching on to the regeneration?

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Syd - we traded or delisted most of that age bracket. I’d say Dow, Stocker, Carroll, Kennedy, SpS, O’Brian, Marchbank, Williamson, etc.
Might have been reasons, but that’s where the gap is. Our list management team apparently knew what they were doing, so no point raising depth or age profile as an issue. :razz:
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 12:26 am 
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Crusader wrote:
Is it poor list management, or are you just now catching on to the regeneration?
We are supposed to be in the window
So it's poor list management
Or are you saying that the club doesn't think our top end is good enough so we are rebuilding with out having a rebuild

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