Evans and Wilson are going well in the VFL.

Chinka

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Not at all, but unless you expected Voss to do a full rebuild with little draft capital in his first draft, then list management and an ever changing game evolution all take time.
I'm not sure who decided we needed to go heavy in the draft this year, but I certainly wanted experienced players to keep in the window.
Were you on board for Houston?
Were you also on board for Haynes?
The whole club clearly knows we have an issue with speed, height, skills and football IQ.
We have seen player changes, position changes and attempted drafting to accomodate this.
The whole football world knows we have an issue with depth, maybe our heavy loaded player contracts have hamstrung us from being able to address our deficits a lot quicker and more evenly like the Hawks have.
Would you be happy to trade Harry?

The other thing to take into account is that not many players that we require have interest in us, we are not a destination club.
Same goes with coaches, seriously who would coach Carlton if you are going to get the axe in 2-3 years.
And who would move to Carlton if you knew you'd have 3 or 4 coaches in your time here.
Not really a team building or relationship building culture right there.

Just remember it took Chris Scott 11 years to win a premiership on his own, even on the back of some stellar trading/drafting, gifting outside of football and reliance on players that have actually played in premierships and did not want mega contracts.

I think it is a bit more complex than that and I'd argue having Wright at the helm for 4 years he'd have a story or two to tell from inside the club vs what he achieved at Geelong and West Coast.

Is t Voss’ job to coach our players to be better skilled and to implement strategies that the players can execute?

He should also be accountable for standards, this team is flaky, and he’s had 4 preseasons to impose himself. Instead, he’s overseen the most embarrassing capitulation in a final, from a Carlton side, that I can recall.

Either the players don’t respect him, don’t listen or it’s him.

If Voss is having to coach players in skills and football IQ then I think you know where the problem lies.
This is the AFL, not under 10s.

I agree he should be accountable for standards and from what we have heard and seen he is doing that.
But when players cross that line, it's up to them.
Regular injuries across all lines doesn't help with team cohesion and trust either, look how long it took for the defence to gel, then bang JSOS is out.
It all adds up, and with our on-field leaders being selfish and not setting the right examples what else can a coach do on game day aside from moving the magnets.
Even the Fox commentators were having a go at Cripps and the example he is setting as a captain.
But as we have little to no depth our players know they are safe.
Doc was dropped for two weeks and comes out and plays the best game he's played this year, still a bit off it IMO but much better.
Imagine if we could do that with Charlie and Harry or Cripps and Weitering.

I'm not saying Voss is a great coach or is 100% devoid of responsibility, but we can't always blame the coach and not be realistic on the team, the contract management of them and us as a club in the greater AFL community.

Like I've said before, our depth is so poor we need an almost 100% fit team to remain competitive, especially against the quick teams like Hawks, Crows and Giants.

It’s the game style and getting embarrassed in the coach again.
GWS showed their hand at selection and we had no counter plan.
No more excuses after this Sidefx - Voss is done.

Game style? Isn't that somewhat dependent on the cattle u have on the park?

Voss did pivot a few times today, shifted the "magnets" on the board so to speak.

Is it Voss fault, the players cannot execute basic skill to hit forward targets?, to execute opportunity when they have clear dominance in all areas of play?, to miss basic set shots at goal only then to allow GWS to take their opportunities on the rebound? to fix the mental fragility mindset of most of if not all of our "team" to be hard, committed, focused and execute?

That was Weiters worst game I have ever seen IMO. He cost us at least 5 goals. There are so many others that didnt step up.

Yes Voss is at fault for part of where we are at, but he is FAR from the main issue here.

So, lets sack him, as is the Carlton way, what does the next coach do with the majority of assets/players at his disposal? They are not suddenly going to improve in all of the areass they need to, no matter what game plan u think we should be playing....

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Our players train to kick it to Charlie and Harry. Everyone plans for that. If you can’t see we don’t run and carry or more importantly ignore the handball to release the next player and kick to a contest, then I can’t convince you.
The players are under instructions, if they weren’t, they wouldn’t be in the side.

I have a cunning plan.
It's so simple when our players have the ball forward of centre I will lead into the pocket deep next to the boundary and rely on those ball butcherers up the ground to pin point the perfect pass.
It's so cunning we will do it again and again

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Yeah the master plan of trying to land a pass on the boundary line 35m out does my head in, presumably we're playing for a throw in and stoppage goal, it's dismal

Are they? Really? I don't think so

most of our players do not have the - skills, ability, mindset, build/athletic ability and numerous other traits to execute - at least consistently, what you have described. I don't need to be convinced about that because its FACT.

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Why play players that ignore your instructions?

Sure, selection integrity has not been great 100% of the time. The other point is - who should come in to fill the gap? Our depth, development and alternative options are horrendous. Maybe, just maybe that MIGHT, point to a super major issue of our far from competent list management - which has been diabolical for many, many years...

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So what type of players are you recruiting to suit the game plan?

As as a coach, you need to address the issues and set the precedent. Everything follows from there. Dump the players not adhering to requirements until all fall in line. Unless you are happy with their output and process.

If we don't play finals then Voss is gone. We sacked Teagueas we thought we had a team capable of finals and that was 4 years ago.

It's attitude. We went from duds to superstars in a week in 2023 after a pow wow at Ed's place. An only be attitude. If we weren't so lazy in the first half of that season we'd have won the flag.

And we played finals, but the team is 4 years older now. We'll be staring down the barrel of a rebuild before we know it.

I wouldn't rush into sacking Voss, I'd rather back him to do a Chris Scott and get us a flag eventually.

Voss hasn’t got nothing on Chris Scott you are talking about a coach who’s game plan changes when needed on the other hand Voss has had only one game plan for the last 4 years and he keeps getting the same result