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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 11:19 am 
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I'm curious, what would you have done to help us beat Crows instead of picking Doc?




pick a kid. 1 of the campo's preferrably. and wear the lumps of developing a kid at afl level, over choosing doc - a guy who's given it his all over the journey, but the game has passed him by by a couple of years, and he's too selfish/ stubborn to pull the pin on his career himself. take the option out of his hands.

developing a kid right now is the play, over choosing doc and playing a man down in a crucial running role.


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 11:40 am 
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

I'm curious, what would you have done to help us beat Crows instead of picking Doc?




pick a kid. 1 of the campo's preferrably. and wear the lumps of developing a kid at afl level, over choosing doc -

developing a kid right now is the play, over choosing doc and playing a man down in a crucial running role.



I have high hopes for Lucas. He's struggling a bit in the VFL imo. I don't think Lucas would have helped us get over Crows though. That's the point we are discussing.

Our biggest development flaw imo has been the fact that ever since the Marc Murphy draft we have not developed kids in the reserves, like say, Swans, GWS, Dogs, Pies or Cats do. Instead we throw the kids into the fire out of Desperation, and call it development.

I was hoping after SOS' declared 66 game rebuild, around 2020 we would have a great mature team and developed our quality kids with mature players around them (like Doc) to help with their development in the VFL. Now the kids are learning from 26yo Boyd, 24yo Evans and 28yo Pittonet. Thats the big issue imo.

As long as we keep playing kids who aren't ready we will be middle of the road imo.

We don't bat deep my friend. Injury is not our friend.

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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 11:47 am 
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Pitto can handle the bash and crash . That's why Voss plays him . Pitto takes the heat away from TDK .

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And until TDK can beat that type of ruck, he's not worth 1.7m IMO.


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 12:04 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

I'm curious, what would you have done to help us beat Crows instead of picking Doc?




pick a kid. 1 of the campo's preferrably. and wear the lumps of developing a kid at afl level, over choosing doc -

developing a kid right now is the play, over choosing doc and playing a man down in a crucial running role.



I have high hopes for Lucas. He's struggling a bit in the VFL imo. I don't think Lucas would have helped us get over Crows though. That's the point we are discussing.

Our biggest development flaw imo has been the fact that ever since the Marc Murphy draft we have not developed kids in the reserves, like say, Swans, GWS, Dogs, Pies or Cats do. Instead we throw the kids into the fire out of Desperation, and call it development.

I was hoping after SOS' declared 66 game rebuild, around 2020 we would have a great mature team and developed our quality kids with mature players around them (like Doc) to help with their development in the VFL. Now the kids are learning from 26yo Boyd, 24yo Evans and 28yo Pittonet. Thats the big issue imo.

As long as we keep playing kids who aren't ready we will be middle of the road imo.

We don't bat deep my friend. Injury is not our friend.


doc isn't helping... i think it's the last 8 or maybe 9 games doc has played we've lost. and somewhat brutally


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 12:06 pm 
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makes you wonder wtaf our development team is doing. we don't have one single kid who can step up and play wing in the entire club.

with acres looking like he's now too old and slow we don't have one bonafide winger in the club. so add the list manager to the "wtaf are they doing" profile, too.


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 12:40 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
makes you wonder wtaf our development team is doing. we don't have one single kid who can step up and play wing in the entire club.

with acres looking like he's now too old and slow we don't have one bonafide winger in the club. so add the list manager to the "wtaf are they doing" profile, too.



Hit nail on head braithy.

We are forced to play old players past their peak: Doc, Acres, Haines, Gov, Williams, Fantasia. Our list would be better placed if they were 6 25yo's.

The kids aren't ready, and we lack depth. As a result we are forced to protect the kids a bit by playing oldies with hardened bodies and experience, but lack edge and with that form. Lucas got a go and started to fade after a couple games with the big boys. Its OK to give them one or two games IF we think they can stand up. If they stand up, like Cowan did, then they get rewarded with more games.

O'Farrell, Wilson, Charleson, Campo.B, Campo.L, Binns, Moir, Lemmey, O'Keefe, Duffy, Monohan ... that's half of our reserves team, AFL listed and under 21yo. They are not ready to take Carlton to the next level yet.

SOS drafting in rebuild had too many misses: High pick draftees who should be playing instead of the oldies: Dow, OBrien, SPS, Fisher, Cuningham, Philp, Stocker, Setterfield, Kennedy, Marchbank, Plowman, Jaksch....just 6 to replace the above 6 oldies would have made a huge difference.

Imagine those 6 oldies in the VFL protecting and teaching the kids as well as giving us depth to play a role if needed instead of auto selection.

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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 1:54 pm 
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The coach was a bit grumpy in his presser this morning. Good to see. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 2:31 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Pitto can handle the bash and crash . That's why Voss plays him . Pitto takes the heat away from TDK .

100%
And until TDK can beat that type of ruck, he's not worth 1.7m IMO.


I thought we'd need Pitto against Xerri but TDK had a great game as first ruck. I'm not sure the horses-for-courses rule still applies to TDK, it could just be a consistency issue.


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 9:58 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Pitto can handle the bash and crash . That's why Voss plays him . Pitto takes the heat away from TDK .

100%
And until TDK can beat that type of ruck, he's not worth 1.7m IMO.


I thought we'd need Pitto against Xerri but TDK had a great game as first ruck. I'm not sure the horses-for-courses rule still applies to TDK, it could just be a consistency issue.

Fingers, crossed.


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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 10:03 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
makes you wonder wtaf our development team is doing. we don't have one single kid who can step up and play wing in the entire club.

with acres looking like he's now too old and slow we don't have one bonafide winger in the club. so add the list manager to the "wtaf are they doing" profile, too.


Been asking this for a long, long time.....

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