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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:11 am 
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Just stand down FFS. Rip the bandaid off



jake_h03 wrote:
Rapt for this bloke. As much as I’d written him off, I really really really want him to succeed and take us to #17. Still a long way to go to get our season back on track but the flame hasn’t gone out just yet. He’s faced a huge amount of pressure this year, hope he enjoys a bit of relief


Sorry to single you out jake, but FMD we (supporters) are hopeless. :lol:


Haha don’t worry that’s fair enough. To be honest I stand by both comments. The way we played in the first 4 weeks is completely unacceptable, and ultimately some of those losses could cost us top 8 or top 4, like they have in previous seasons. The window for success is small and we have to strike soon.

Since then we have had 2 soft kills and one good win. We have proven nothing yet. My last post was expressing my desire for Voss take us to the promise land, not my expectation that he will. I like the guy and I want him to succeed but there is little evidence to support the case that this list with this coach can win a premiership.

But I will always enjoy the wins when they come and give credit where it’s due. And no matter how much I may write someone off, I will always hope to be proven wrong.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:14 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
camel wrote:
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Just stand down FFS. Rip the bandaid off



jake_h03 wrote:
Rapt for this bloke. As much as I’d written him off, I really really really want him to succeed and take us to #17. Still a long way to go to get our season back on track but the flame hasn’t gone out just yet. He’s faced a huge amount of pressure this year, hope he enjoys a bit of relief


Sorry to single you out jake, but FMD we (supporters) are hopeless. :lol:


Haha don’t worry that’s fair enough. To be honest I stand by both comments. The way we played in the first 4 weeks is completely unacceptable, and ultimately some of those losses could cost us top 8 or top 4, like they have in previous seasons. The window for success is small and we have to strike soon.

Since then we have had 2 soft kills and one good win. We have proven nothing yet. My last post was expressing my desire for Voss take us to the promise land, not my expectation that he will. I like the guy and I want him to succeed but there is little evidence to support the case that this list with this coach can win a premiership.

But I will always enjoy the wins when they come and give credit where it’s due. And no matter how much I may write someone off, I will always hope to be proven wrong.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:15 am 
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Might go back and read the last few pages, but just checking if we've unsakced Voss yet, or is he still on the nose?!


In our last 16 games we’ve had 5 wins, 4 of which were against North and West Coast. He’s got a long way to go. But let’s hope we’ve turned the corner


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 6:22 pm 
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Credit when it's due... he out coached Scott today

...and no long bombs


Yes

How does it feel Horny?

A week is a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time for a Carlton supporter...

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 6:35 pm 
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Should be stoked by Freo’s performance.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 6:45 pm 
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Sack him tonight, ride the dead cat bounce and the season is still alive.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 10:42 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
camel wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Just stand down FFS. Rip the bandaid off



jake_h03 wrote:
Rapt for this bloke. As much as I’d written him off, I really really really want him to succeed and take us to #17. Still a long way to go to get our season back on track but the flame hasn’t gone out just yet. He’s faced a huge amount of pressure this year, hope he enjoys a bit of relief


Sorry to single you out jake, but FMD we (supporters) are hopeless. :lol:


Haha don’t worry that’s fair enough. To be honest I stand by both comments. The way we played in the first 4 weeks is completely unacceptable, and ultimately some of those losses could cost us top 8 or top 4, like they have in previous seasons. The window for success is small and we have to strike soon.

Since then we have had 2 soft kills and one good win. We have proven nothing yet. My last post was expressing my desire for Voss take us to the promise land, not my expectation that he will. I like the guy and I want him to succeed but there is little evidence to support the case that this list with this coach can win a premiership.

But I will always enjoy the wins when they come and give credit where it’s due. And no matter how much I may write someone off, I will always hope to be proven wrong.


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As I said, I stand by my comments. I would love for Voss to take us to a premiership, but it just ain’t gonna happen. We are so far off it’s not funny.


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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 10:51 pm 
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What’s the bet Voss says “we’ll look it at strongly and have some tough conversations. We won’t hide from it and we’ll get to work on it”

YOU’LL DO FOOKIN NOTTIN


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2025 10:19 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
What’s the bet Voss says “we’ll look it at strongly and have some tough conversations. We won’t hide from it and we’ll get to work on it”

YOU’LL DO FOOKIN NOTTIN


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there was lots of mumbo-jumbo and blathering. but the usual press speak was all there too. it's become predictable.

"things we need to be better at"

"i haven't seen us beaten like that before"

"but we'll review it and look at a few things before st kilda"


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2025 12:23 pm 
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When is he going to come out and challenge the character of the playing group publicly. Put it on them that every single one of them need to have a long hard look in the mirror and decide what sort of man they want to be. I can't believe how cuddly he is with them. What happened to the ferocious warrior he was as a player

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2025 3:01 pm 
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When is he going to come out and challenge the character of the playing group publicly. Put it on them that every single one of them need to have a long hard look in the mirror and decide what sort of man they want to be. I can't believe how cuddly he is with them. What happened to the ferocious warrior he was as a player

So effectively you want him to lose the trust of the playing group, destroy any cohesion and pretty much stamp his own papers.

F that!
No way in the world would I want our coach to 'publicly' challenge our playing group, that is behind closed doors stuff for me.

This boo hoo Voss stuff needs to stop, there was no way we were winning a home game against a fast team.
People really need to stop overvaluing our list, they are just not fast and skilful enough as a whole.
They have moments, but leg speed is our constant let down every year, with poor foot skills as icing on the cake.
And until this is addressed properly, these fast teams will always be a challenge.
The issue is it has gone from a few teams a couple of years ago to almost half the league.
We have not evolved.


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2025 5:12 pm 
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yday was about effort and application more than about lack of leg speed - and that to a degree was self inflcted. the team had no effort, no talk, and coaching hadn't readied, let alone primed them for any.


so much of yday was coaching and team selections.

young and doc in? sure, lets go slower, that should work out nicely. coaching gets what it deserves, imo.


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2025 5:41 pm 
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We are stuck with him like it or not.

And with this playing group coach doesn’t matter.

There is a stench at this club.

Recruiting group - Agresta has been there too long. Our scouts. Our talent identifiers are shit.

And the match committee. Who signs off putting doc out there. Who doesn’t drop players not putting in. Who selects Evans?

It’s more than the coach. Players are the ones not going in hard.

Against Adelaide we played like the first 4 rounds by pushing back into the our back line. This doesn’t flower work for us. We need to play without shackles like the previous 3 rounds. This is the coaching group.

I don’t flower know anymore!!


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2025 7:49 pm 
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yeah agree for sure drewgirl ... there's a stench here that goes way beyond voss.

at this point, i'd almost keep voss and exterminate all of his line coaches as well as austin and agresta


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2025 7:58 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
yday was about effort and application more than about lack of leg speed - and that to a degree was self inflcted. the team had no effort, no talk, and coaching hadn't readied, let alone primed them for any.


so much of yday was coaching and team selections.

young and doc in? sure, lets go slower, that should work out nicely. coaching gets what it deserves, imo.


C'mon Braithy. So the coach hadn't readied the players, let alone primed them? We've been in front at half time in the previous 7 matches. Does that mean he had primed them too much?
The selections were OK IMO. Young had to come in as insurance as a tall defender and Docherty was BOG in the VFL last week.
I'm the last one to defend Docherty (I was calling for him to hang them up last year) but you can't pick kids for the sake of it. Lucas was the only other real option and he is off the boil a bit at the moment. First pre-season, lots of game time. It's understandable he's feeling the pinch and his performances in the VFL are looking like it.
I'm much happier that they're putting the welfare of the kid ahead of everything else.

The only criticism I've got of selection was Lord on the wing. He's shown previously he's not up to the role. I would have preferred Walsh got out there and give us some outside run. The players weren't up to it on the night. Dropping off too much defensively. Giving away too many uncontested marks early and our mids who have been good were dominated.
Everything for us was starting in the back half because we couldn't win a centre clearance.
It put pressure on our back half and when we got it forward, the opposition were camped there because we had to transition off half back.
No 6,6,6 entries.

I don't blame the forwards or defenders. This is 100% on the mids IMHO. As for the coach priming them. They're all professional athletes. If they need to coach to fire them up, they may as well retire now. Intensity was down, pressure was poor and the players fell back into old habits. Self preservation. Kick down the line instead of taking a risk. That's not coaching. That's scars from years past re-surfacing.

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2025 8:32 pm 
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When we cough up games like we did yesterday you can’t keep blaming Voss. The players especially the midfield were poor. Focus is on next week. But if TDK wants to go to the sinners I say we let him and we may need to also look at trading Harry as well. We are hamstrung with no early draft picks which we will need in the short term with Tassie coming in.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2025 7:59 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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yday was about effort and application more than about lack of leg speed - and that to a degree was self inflcted. the team had no effort, no talk, and coaching hadn't readied, let alone primed them for any.


so much of yday was coaching and team selections.

young and doc in? sure, lets go slower, that should work out nicely. coaching gets what it deserves, imo.


C'mon Braithy. So the coach hadn't readied the players, let alone primed them? We've been in front at half time in the previous 7 matches. Does that mean he had primed them too much?
The selections were OK IMO. Young had to come in as insurance as a tall defender and Docherty was BOG in the VFL last week.
I'm the last one to defend Docherty (I was calling for him to hang them up last year) but you can't pick kids for the sake of it. Lucas was the only other real option and he is off the boil a bit at the moment. First pre-season, lots of game time. It's understandable he's feeling the pinch and his performances in the VFL are looking like it.
I'm much happier that they're putting the welfare of the kid ahead of everything else.

The only criticism I've got of selection was Lord on the wing. He's shown previously he's not up to the role. I would have preferred Walsh got out there and give us some outside run. The players weren't up to it on the night. Dropping off too much defensively. Giving away too many uncontested marks early and our mids who have been good were dominated.
Everything for us was starting in the back half because we couldn't win a centre clearance.
It put pressure on our back half and when we got it forward, the opposition were camped there because we had to transition off half back.
No 6,6,6 entries.

I don't blame the forwards or defenders. This is 100% on the mids IMHO. As for the coach priming them. They're all professional athletes. If they need to coach to fire them up, they may as well retire now. Intensity was down, pressure was poor and the players fell back into old habits. Self preservation. Kick down the line instead of taking a risk. That's not coaching. That's scars from years past re-surfacing.



i hink you're way off, bv. i blame coaching. the elite teams like the cats are up and about every week. they're ready, well coached, well drilled and come out and compete. even when they lose, you don't and can't question their effort. execution, maybe, but never effort.

one week we come out breathing fire, body on the line. the next listless af and can't be bothered. there was no talk in the back 6, the players looked lost - when to go, when seal off space, when to guard their man. lloyd showed some damning vision, of which weitering was the worst offender

for me ... all that is coaching.


players are professional yes. when one or two aren't on their game - that's players. when the collective unit as a whole aren't on their game, look lost and play lazy - that's 100% coaching.

and don't even get me started on docherty. he's gone. you can't pick kids for the sake of it? buddy, you can't pick an old guy who's lost all ability to run, compete, put his body on the line at afl level. we played a man down every time we've selected him.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2025 8:04 am 
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also ... like you say. we were up in every game this year until crows. there's no such thing as too primed, you're just being an ass at that point.

but the opposing coaches have all made adjustments, moved magnets and changed their structure in those games, and effectively shut us out with 1 and 2 and 3 goal havles. you don't win footy scoring 3 goals in a half or 5 in a game.

voss and his inability to match the opposing coaching box has been a them throughout his tenure here.


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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2025 8:30 am 
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‘Don’t get beaten by what you know’ yet we play the same way for the same results against these guys.

How do you not have a plan b after 3 1/2 years.

Is it incompetence or arrogance?


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