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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 5:59 pm 
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No changes this week except for injuries... Weitering???

Cats tall backs are a problem if we bomb... with Harry in the team, we bomb... play a mobile fwd 6 and expose their defence.

McKay needs to earn his spot...


I think you’re right that we tend to bomb it by instruction when Harry and Charlie are forward.

I’m watching the Swans Port game. Papley types are freaks. Rioli is flashy. I think our small forwards are as good as any of the peripheral smalls forwards of swans and port…imo. I would love Hayward, but he goes missing and I still prefer Williams Durdin including Motlop. Whites quicker than Rioli and Hayward.

Maybe our small forwards have clicked. Just need to keep bringing the pressure and contest with physicality.


You've been very critical of our small forwards even after Norf, why the generous change? When you said they've let us down, did you mean they weren't good enough, or that they could be good enough but weren't doing themselves justice.

I, too, have cooled on Hayward. Perhaps that's just because the Swans have looked less convincing and are working things out with a new coach. Small forwards tend to be at the mercy of team form. Hayward looked great in a purring outfit. So did Motlop and White when we put Norf to the sword. He's probably not one we should be pushing the boat out for.


Fair call. I hate hypocrisy, but I’m just questioning myself, whether my metrics are applied harsher on Carlton players than opposition. Ie grass is greener. Bias against perhaps?

There are not that many amazing small forwards. I believe the Pies have the best fleet of small forwards: not to be confused with mosquito fleet of midfielders. The term was coined by Carlton’s small midfielders who kicked heaps of goals when rotated forward. Pies smalls stay home. They have 3. 3 really good ones. Hill, Schultz Elliot. Everyone else runs through the midfield (not Miihochek)

I hope Motlop gets stronger, lighter and faster. Looking at Rioli and Hayward. They are a level below Palpley and Pies group. Well, we are not getting either so have to be content to have a group of smalls….just not 9 of them and not 5 in the forwardline, especially when they don’t play midfield, let alone what they should do is kick goals.

Very happy with the scoresheet with all their names on them with multiple goals…to shut up the noise.

Back to your other point, supply matters.

Wins have shadowed the AA performances of Cripps and Hewett, and Cerra could be. Walsh will just keep getting better and will earn himself plenty of Brownlow votes. The engine room gives the forwardline plenty of supply. They all thrive with supply. My concern is they go missing. Too many for this pond.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 6:31 pm 
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Would Chris Scott prefer Harry or Young?
I think Young did really well but he is nowhere near as good a player as Harry.
If we can direct the ball with more purpose like we did on Fri, I think Harry will be of greater value if he’s fit.

Scott would prefer McKay imo... it's the way we play when he's in the team that makes us way too predictable.

Harry's leads are lumbering, gets in Charlies way, very few 1%ers and lacks any physical presence, despite the size of him.

I know we're beaten nothing so far but we have found a formula that seems to be working.

Mate… you know that most of us watch the footy, right?

You can’t expect to run with that kind of dribble & not get pulled up on it…

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 6:42 pm 
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Fogarty is on shaky ground.
His form has not been the best.
He is a terrible set shot at goal and doesn't hit the scoreboard often enough.
He doesn't appear to be the same player he was last year
Unless he is playing a game where he sacrifices his game that is not obvious watching on TV

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Agree but who would we swap him for? I'd say Lord or one of the Campo boys are the only options right now.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 6:44 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
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17th Premiership wrote:
Would Chris Scott prefer Harry or Young?
I think Young did really well but he is nowhere near as good a player as Harry.
If we can direct the ball with more purpose like we did on Fri, I think Harry will be of greater value if he’s fit.

Scott would prefer McKay imo... it's the way we play when he's in the team that makes us way too predictable.

Harry's leads are lumbering, gets in Charlies way, very few 1%ers and lacks any physical presence, despite the size of him.

I know we're beaten nothing so far but we have found a formula that seems to be working.

Mate… you know that most of us watch the footy, right?

You can’t expect to run with that kind of dribble & not get pulled up on it…

drivel*

Yeah/nah... let's be serious, the McKay brothers ain't the most physical lads going around.

And whatever is bothering mentally this year means he's a liability.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:40 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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You've been very critical of our small forwards even after Norf, why the generous change? When you said they've let us down, did you mean they weren't good enough, or that they could be good enough but weren't doing themselves justice.

I, too, have cooled on Hayward. Perhaps that's just because the Swans have looked less convincing and are working things out with a new coach. Small forwards tend to be at the mercy of team form. Hayward looked great in a purring outfit. So did Motlop and White when we put Norf to the sword. He's probably not one we should be pushing the boat out for.


Fair call. I hate hypocrisy, but I’m just questioning myself, whether my metrics are applied harsher on Carlton players than opposition. Ie grass is greener. Bias against perhaps?

There are not that many amazing small forwards. I believe the Pies have the best fleet of small forwards: not to be confused with mosquito fleet of midfielders. The term was coined by Carlton’s small midfielders who kicked heaps of goals when rotated forward. Pies smalls stay home. They have 3. 3 really good ones. Hill, Schultz Elliot. Everyone else runs through the midfield (not Miihochek)

I hope Motlop gets stronger, lighter and faster. Looking at Rioli and Hayward. They are a level below Palpley and Pies group. Well, we are not getting either so have to be content to have a group of smalls….just not 9 of them and not 5 in the forwardline, especially when they don’t play midfield, let alone what they should do is kick goals.

Very happy with the scoresheet with all their names on them with multiple goals…to shut up the noise.

Back to your other point, supply matters.

Wins have shadowed the AA performances of Cripps and Hewett, and Cerra could be. Walsh will just keep getting better and will earn himself plenty of Brownlow votes. The engine room gives the forwardline plenty of supply. They all thrive with supply. My concern is they go missing. Too many for this pond.


Good post, and on the highlighted bit, I want to assure you I wasn't trying to call you out for hypocrisy, I was genuinely curious about how your opinion had evolved over the season. It's perfectly reasonable to re-evaluate as the games unfold and some of the woeful inadequacies of the early rounds are mitigated.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:41 pm 
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Underselling Harry.

My Reality is that every coach in the AFL would fit Harry in their best 18. Next week.

We have take every opportunity to have players playing together. It’s an opportunity that can be taken away in a second for any player. Have a look at what just happened to the unicorn, Darcy at the Dogs. Have a look how rare it is having Harry and Charlie on the ground together. Those boys have chemistry.

Every player takes a risk of injury every week. If selected you have to believe they are fit to play.

Also, Harry looks fine. He looks happy.

I expected Harry to be have the upper body of Collingwood Cloke. He was a huge CHF, who could also run all day. Harry just hasn’t developed the upper body. Harry can run. Harry can mark. Harry can take the oppos best defender wherever he wants.

He belongs on our chess board when fit.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:31 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Hornet wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
Would Chris Scott prefer Harry or Young?
I think Young did really well but he is nowhere near as good a player as Harry.
If we can direct the ball with more purpose like we did on Fri, I think Harry will be of greater value if he’s fit.

Scott would prefer McKay imo... it's the way we play when he's in the team that makes us way too predictable.

Harry's leads are lumbering, gets in Charlies way, very few 1%ers and lacks any physical presence, despite the size of him.

I know we're beaten nothing so far but we have found a formula that seems to be working.

Mate… you know that most of us watch the footy, right?

You can’t expect to run with that kind of dribble & not get pulled up on it…

drivel*

I said what I said.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:05 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
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Interesting to see wht they do with selection. Obviously it depends on fitness, but how do you fit Harry into this side?


Logic would suggest he comes in for Young. Whether he should or not is a matter of opinion. I think Young deserves to hold his spot. Harry isn’t exactly banging the door down in the 2s. If you take a mental health break you should have to earn your spot back


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100% Young should hold his spot after that performance.

Yes, H has a higher ceiling when he's at his best, but he's a fair way from that at the moment. There's no need to rush him back, let's see if Young can back up his last game against better opposition.

It's in our best interest to find someone else to play up there, Young showed something last week, give him another crack.

I'm happy for H to play this week, but not at the expense of Young. I honestly wouldn't mind H playing down back from time to time.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:20 pm 
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if young keeps pace with his commitment for the ball and that urgency he played with on friday, he's much better for this team and structure than harry imo. i honestly believe we need more of a defensive tall forward with a commitment to the desperate acts, much more than we need a 2nd banana to charlie.

clear out the forward line, let young do a defensive job on their best/ 2nd best tall, bringing the ball to the deck and let the smalls and mids swarm with defensive pressure.

i don't think harry is gritty enough to do that selfless role of 1%'ers and bringing the ball to the deck? hell, i didn't think young was either until friday night. young can still clunk a mark too, so it's not like we suffer a let down in the only area that harry has been providing..


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:55 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
if young keeps pace with his commitment for the ball and that urgency he played with on friday, he's much better for this team and structure than harry imo. i honestly believe we need more of a defensive tall forward with a commitment to the desperate acts, much more than we need a 2nd banana to charlie.

clear out the forward line, let young do a defensive job on their best/ 2nd best tall, bringing the ball to the deck and let the smalls and mids swarm with defensive pressure.

i don't think harry is gritty enough to do that selfless role of 1%'ers and bringing the ball to the deck? hell, i didn't think young was either until friday night. young can still clunk a mark too, so it's not like we suffer a let down in the only area that harry has been providing..

A proper defensive pack won’t leave the door open for 2nd and 3rd effort knock ons.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:22 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Underselling Harry.

My Reality is that every coach in the AFL would fit Harry in their best 18. Next week.

We have take every opportunity to have players playing together. It’s an opportunity that can be taken away in a second for any player. Have a look at what just happened to the unicorn, Darcy at the Dogs. Have a look how rare it is having Harry and Charlie on the ground together. Those boys have chemistry.

Every player takes a risk of injury every week. If selected you have to believe they are fit to play.

Also, Harry looks fine. He looks happy.

I expected Harry to be have the upper body of Collingwood Cloke. He was a huge CHF, who could also run all day. Harry just hasn’t developed the upper body. Harry can run. Harry can mark. Harry can take the oppos best defender wherever he wants.

He belongs on our chess board when fit.


Reckon every Coach in the league would walk over broken glass to have Harry in there side . Get him in , no muckin" around . Group ! thoroughbreds start at Flemington , not Seymour .

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:10 pm 
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win this game easy NO MORE LONG BOMBS INTO F50 ,been saying this for years a lot of teams start forward thrust from defence eg Collingwood u know when we kick it long only to watch moore mark it.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:06 pm 
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Well, looks like they won’t have Miers…


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:35 pm 
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Well, looks like they won’t have Miers…


And Atkinson will sit with him on the sidelines after dropping a knee on the head of a Hwk

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:36 pm 
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Cincotta on Stewart…any chance?

Stewart learned from that tag and heads to the midfield when tagged….and Cincotta would just follow him in there

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:36 pm 
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I think SOS could keep Danger quiet too.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:47 pm 
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Is it just me or do The Cats key defenders look greatly out of form?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:07 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Well, looks like they won’t have Miers…


And Atkinson will sit with him on the sidelines after dropping a knee on the head of a Hwk


Atkins?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:09 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Cincotta on Stewart…any chance?

Stewart learned from that tag and heads to the midfield when tagged….and Cincotta would just follow him in there


He's still weeks away?


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Still can’t believe the dogs gave up Bailey Smith for pick 17. Worth a top 10 pick minimum


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