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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 8:37 pm 
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Maintain the sensible F50 entries we have used recently, as in ''no bombing''.
In other words don't kick it to Tom Stewart.


Or as they said in my day , "lower your eyes" .

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 10:22 pm 
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If they have 80 plus tackles again they should beat Geelong.

Next 5 weeks is a tough run.


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I feel like we have had a couple of pre-season-like games to get our system in order but under very little pressure (just like pre-season).
Thankfully, we have done that. Just like we did against GWS pre-season, absent pressure.

Now we get a bit of a do-over for the proper season under pressure (in the case of Geelong, intense pressure).

But for the first time in a while, I could clearly see Voss’s desired game plan:

1) Make it hard for opposition to score (through contest and pressure)
2) Move the ball quickly into the forward line
3) Keep the ball in the forward line to create multiple scoring opportunities.

But to make this work, everyone has to work really hard and those kicking into the forward line need to lower their eyes and pick the right option.

Hopefully, with a couple of easy kills, we are able to maintain this game plan under the pressure coming our way!


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bluechampion wrote:
Interesting to see wht they do with selection. Obviously it depends on fitness, but how do you fit Harry into this side?


Logic would suggest he comes in for Young. Whether he should or not is a matter of opinion. I think Young deserves to hold his spot. Harry isn’t exactly banging the door down in the 2s. If you take a mental health break you should have to earn your spot back


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 9:38 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
murraycray wrote:
Maintain the sensible F50 entries we have used recently, as in ''no bombing''.
In other words don't kick it to Tom Stewart.


Or as they said in my day , "lower your eyes" .


They still say that today


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 9:43 am 
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bluechampion wrote:
Interesting to see wht they do with selection. Obviously it depends on fitness, but how do you fit Harry into this side?



you just don't ... you have to reward the same players?

young played with a hunger and intensity for 1%'ers that harry isn't capable of.
He might be playing at the other end of the ground next week

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Never thought about that. Which cats tall forwards will give Weiters and SOS trouble? or Haynes for that matter?

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17th Premiership wrote:
I feel like we have had a couple of pre-season-like games to get our system in order but under very little pressure (just like pre-season).
Thankfully, we have done that. Just like we did against GWS pre-season, absent pressure.

Now we get a bit of a do-over for the proper season under pressure (in the case of Geelong, intense pressure).

But for the first time in a while, I could clearly see Voss’s desired game plan:

1) Make it hard for opposition to score (through contest and pressure)
2) Move the ball quickly into the forward line
3) Keep the ball in the forward line to create multiple scoring opportunities.

But to make this work, everyone has to work really hard and those kicking into the forward line need to lower their eyes and pick the right option.

Hopefully, with a couple of easy kills, we are able to maintain this game plan under the pressure coming our way!


That's "our way" given the list we have. Without Smith coming on this season in the midfield rotations, we continue the same plan as our last 3 years.

Given the list we have, I am an unabashed fan of this game plan. We have no other choice.

Its our small forwards who have not been good for us. In the last 2 games against weak opposition our small forwards (except Durdin and Williams) have been missing in the first halves when the game is at its hottest. That warns me some of the small forwards are flat track bullies. I must say I did enjoy the frenzied tackling regardless of the tiring opponent, or, an opponent who gave up the fight, but I am suss on a few of our smalls.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 10:11 am 
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There's no doubt Harry will be coming into the team.

Cats have a very good tall and mobile marking defense: Stewart 190 De Koning,204 O'Sullivan 198 Blicavs 198.

If Young is dropped for Harry, and when TDK is rested on the bench 20% GT, its going to be Harry who gives TDK the chop out.

That leaves Charlie one out marking target. No doubt he will be double teamed, and the pressure Cats will put on us in the middle will encourage us to bomb it into the forward line, because that's what happens against good teams.

If the above is the scenario, our forward line will look like for 20% of game time, something like this?

HF Fogarty Cripps Hollands
F: Durdin Curnow Williams

IC: White Motlop

Midfield group McKay, Hewett Cerra Walsh

Midfield rotations Williams, Motlop, Hollands, Lord (if not sub)

Looks OK with Crippa down there. I hope they coordinate rotations to avoid Curnow being left one out against Cats tall defenders.

That works for me. I still feel uneasy with our vulnerability if any one our 3 talls or Cripps is injured, or doesn't compete (like Charlie and Harry have been know to do this year, and Cripps playing injured when he shouldnt be).

That's why I'll always want

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:08 am 
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No changes this week except for injuries... Weitering???

Cats tall backs are a problem if we bomb... with Harry in the team, we bomb... play a mobile fwd 6 and expose their defence.

McKay needs to earn his spot...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:25 am 
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Hornet wrote:
No changes this week except for injuries... Weitering???

Cats tall backs are a problem if we bomb... with Harry in the team, we bomb... play a mobile fwd 6 and expose their defence.

McKay needs to earn his spot...


I'd like to see Harry earn his spot by dominating in the VFL.

There's no one who really demanded a recall from last week's VFL match, although Boyd and the Campo boys did enough to warrant coming in as replacements for injured players. Pittonet was VERY fumbly.

Overall I'd prefer Boyd in the team than McGovern, he can play that rebounding role just as well and he is tougher than McGovern. But I doubt they'll drop McGovern at this stage.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:35 am 
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Hornet wrote:
No changes this week except for injuries... Weitering???

Cats tall backs are a problem if we bomb... with Harry in the team, we bomb... play a mobile fwd 6 and expose their defence.

McKay needs to earn his spot...
I'm with you on the possibility of "no changes". Assuming Weitering's hardware is undamaged and his software up to date, I'd be tempted to go in unchanged against the Cats. An extra week out for McKay, given he's been prone to concussion, and roll with Young again.

If our usual Tuesday night shenanigans continue and Weitering "surprisingly" appears on the injury list, I guess Young might have to go back to cover him and hopefully McKay would be well enough to come back into the forward group.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 4:14 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Hornet wrote:
No changes this week except for injuries... Weitering???

Cats tall backs are a problem if we bomb... with Harry in the team, we bomb... play a mobile fwd 6 and expose their defence.

McKay needs to earn his spot...


I'd like to see Harry earn his spot by dominating in the VFL.

There's no one who really demanded a recall from last week's VFL match, although Boyd and the Campo boys did enough to warrant coming in as replacements for injured .


Good argument for Harry earning his spot, with Young playing a useful role.
..but if you expect Harry to dominate in our under 21 team who haven’t kicked a winning score this year., you’re a hard task master.

Harry has credits, is an elite specimen, and doubt many coaches would bring him through the VFL.

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bondiblue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Hornet wrote:
No changes this week except for injuries... Weitering???

Cats tall backs are a problem if we bomb... with Harry in the team, we bomb... play a mobile fwd 6 and expose their defence.

McKay needs to earn his spot...


I'd like to see Harry earn his spot by dominating in the VFL.

There's no one who really demanded a recall from last week's VFL match, although Boyd and the Campo boys did enough to warrant coming in as replacements for injured .


Good argument for Harry earning his spot, with Young playing a useful role.
..but if you expect Harry to dominate in our under 21 team who haven’t kicked a winning score this year., you’re a hard task master.

Harry has credits, is an elite specimen, and doubt many coaches would bring him through the VFL.


If Hayes can manage 35 disposals and a goal in our losing VFL team, Harry can kick 4-5 and get 20 disposals surely?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 4:24 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
No changes this week except for injuries... Weitering???

Cats tall backs are a problem if we bomb... with Harry in the team, we bomb... play a mobile fwd 6 and expose their defence.

McKay needs to earn his spot...


I think you’re right that we tend to bomb it by instruction when Harry and Charlie are forward.

I’m watching the Swans Port game. Papley types are freaks. Rioli is flashy. I think our small forwards are as good as any of the peripheral smalls forwards of swans and port…imo. I would love Hayward, but he goes missing and I still prefer Williams Durdin including Motlop. Whites quicker than Rioli and Hayward.

Maybe our small forwards have clicked. Just need to keep bringing the pressure and contest with physicality.

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sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Hornet wrote:
No changes this week except for injuries... Weitering???

Cats tall backs are a problem if we bomb... with Harry in the team, we bomb... play a mobile fwd 6 and expose their defence.

McKay needs to earn his spot...


I'd like to see Harry earn his spot by dominating in the VFL.

There's no one who really demanded a recall from last week's VFL match, although Boyd and the Campo boys did enough to warrant coming in as replacements for injured .


Good argument for Harry earning his spot, with Young playing a useful role.
..but if you expect Harry to dominate in our under 21 team who haven’t kicked a winning score this year., you’re a hard task master.

Harry has credits, is an elite specimen, and doubt many coaches would bring him through the VFL.


If Hayes can manage 35 disposals and a goal in our losing VFL team, Harry can kick 4-5 and get 20 disposals surely?


Shit sinners. Hard task master. I really rate Hayes. He wins his ball, moves his ball, collects the Ball back and even had to kick it himself, once. That’s just one play.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 4:30 pm 
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Would Chris Scott prefer Harry or Young?
I think Young did really well but he is nowhere near as good a player as Harry.
If we can direct the ball with more purpose like we did on Fri, I think Harry will be of greater value if he’s fit.


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bondiblue wrote:
Hornet wrote:
No changes this week except for injuries... Weitering???

Cats tall backs are a problem if we bomb... with Harry in the team, we bomb... play a mobile fwd 6 and expose their defence.

McKay needs to earn his spot...


I think you’re right that we tend to bomb it by instruction when Harry and Charlie are forward.

I’m watching the Swans Port game. Papley types are freaks. Rioli is flashy. I think our small forwards are as good as any of the peripheral smalls forwards of swans and port…imo. I would love Hayward, but he goes missing and I still prefer Williams Durdin including Motlop. Whites quicker than Rioli and Hayward.

Maybe our small forwards have clicked. Just need to keep bringing the pressure and contest with physicality.


You've been very critical of our small forwards even after Norf, why the generous change? When you said they've let us down, did you mean they weren't good enough, or that they could be good enough but weren't doing themselves justice.

I, too, have cooled on Hayward. Perhaps that's just because the Swans have looked less convincing and are working things out with a new coach. Small forwards tend to be at the mercy of team form. Hayward looked great in a purring outfit. So did Motlop and White when we put Norf to the sword. He's probably not one we should be pushing the boat out for.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 5:26 pm 
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Fogarty is on shaky ground.
His form has not been the best.
He is a terrible set shot at goal and doesn't hit the scoreboard often enough.
He doesn't appear to be the same player he was last year
Unless he is playing a game where he sacrifices his game that is not obvious watching on TV

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J Cameron frequently pushes up the ground, even into defensive 50. Hopefully if Weitering plays he stays back and maybe takes Neale. Wonder if Haynes is a better match up when Cameron gets on his bike.

SDK, Stanley and Blicavs all chances to take on TDK in the ruck.

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17th Premiership wrote:
Would Chris Scott prefer Harry or Young?
I think Young did really well but he is nowhere near as good a player as Harry.
If we can direct the ball with more purpose like we did on Fri, I think Harry will be of greater value if he’s fit.

Scott would prefer McKay imo... it's the way we play when he's in the team that makes us way too predictable.

Harry's leads are lumbering, gets in Charlies way, very few 1%ers and lacks any physical presence, despite the size of him.

I know we're beaten nothing so far but we have found a formula that seems to be working.

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