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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2025 7:44 pm 
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keogh wrote:
The guy on my blue heaven despite cracking eggs on his face is very good at explaining the problems the club has
In relation to to our VFL team it’s a basket case
The players who arnt AfL listed players playing in the VFL prefer to play at a stand alone club
This is because they want to feel like they are at a proper footy club
Case in point
Some guy he mentioned played really well for us in the ruck a few weeks ago
Hudson O’Keefe comes back and this guy goes back to play Montmorency
So players who are decent and mature age would rather play for stand alone clubs like Werribee Southport Port Melbourne
Therefore guys like Wilson and Lemmey play with blokes their age so they get pumped

Has the club addressed this
No
It needs to but as usual it focuses on on the star product


Unless we're going to field 45 players, or leave out Carlton listed players, it's inevitable that non AFL listed players miss out. Ridiculous point.
It's a development side and rightly so. Besides, we're recruited plenty of quality talent for our VFL program. It's just a matter of prioritising.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2025 8:13 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
The guy on my blue heaven despite cracking eggs on his face is very good at explaining the problems the club has
In relation to to our VFL team it’s a basket case
The players who arnt AfL listed players playing in the VFL prefer to play at a stand alone club
This is because they want to feel like they are at a proper footy club
Case in point
Some guy he mentioned played really well for us in the ruck a few weeks ago
Hudson O’Keefe comes back and this guy goes back to play Montmorency
So players who are decent and mature age would rather play for stand alone clubs like Werribee Southport Port Melbourne
Therefore guys like Wilson and Lemmey play with blokes their age so they get pumped

Has the club addressed this
No
It needs to but as usual it focuses on on the star product


Unless we're going to field 45 players, or leave out Carlton listed players, it's inevitable that non AFL listed players miss out. Ridiculous point.
It's a development side and rightly so. Besides, we're recruited plenty of quality talent for our VFL program. It's just a matter of prioritising.

Yes , AFL listed blokes will always get first dibs and rightly so . My problem is our kids stagnate . Barely any improvement whatsoever . I like Luke Power and Ash Hansen but for some unknown reason the young ones are not showing anything . That talk about Southport being a mature side is a copout for mine . A good young kid should have been chafing at the bit to show his mettle . Nah , as all I can see is insipid half-hearted token efforts .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2025 8:24 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
The guy on my blue heaven despite cracking eggs on his face is very good at explaining the problems the club has
In relation to to our VFL team it’s a basket case
The players who arnt AfL listed players playing in the VFL prefer to play at a stand alone club
This is because they want to feel like they are at a proper footy club
Case in point
Some guy he mentioned played really well for us in the ruck a few weeks ago
Hudson O’Keefe comes back and this guy goes back to play Montmorency
So players who are decent and mature age would rather play for stand alone clubs like Werribee Southport Port Melbourne
Therefore guys like Wilson and Lemmey play with blokes their age so they get pumped

Has the club addressed this
No
It needs to but as usual it focuses on on the star product


Unless we're going to field 45 players, or leave out Carlton listed players, it's inevitable that non AFL listed players miss out. Ridiculous point.
It's a development side and rightly so. Besides, we're recruited plenty of quality talent for our VFL program. It's just a matter of prioritising.

Yes , AFL listed blokes will always get first dibs and rightly so . My problem is our kids stagnate . Barely any improvement whatsoever . I like Luke Power and Ash Hansen but for some unknown reason the young ones are not showing anything . That talk about Southport being a mature side is a copout for mine . A good young kid should have been chafing at the bit to show his mettle . Nah , as all I can see is insipid half-hearted token efforts .

I've always been an advocate for a strong seconds side.
Winning is contagious and having players step up to the seniors with that mindset is invaluable.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 8:40 am 
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carntheblues wrote:
I sometimes think we have recruited for a style of play that has passed by whereas other teams seem to recruit for where the game is going. Our midfielders are just too slow on the spread compared to other teams.
Couldn't agree more ctb, well said.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:20 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
The guy on my blue heaven despite cracking eggs on his face is very good at explaining the problems the club has
In relation to to our VFL team it’s a basket case
The players who arnt AfL listed players playing in the VFL prefer to play at a stand alone club
This is because they want to feel like they are at a proper footy club
Case in point
Some guy he mentioned played really well for us in the ruck a few weeks ago
Hudson O’Keefe comes back and this guy goes back to play Montmorency
So players who are decent and mature age would rather play for stand alone clubs like Werribee Southport Port Melbourne
Therefore guys like Wilson and Lemmey play with blokes their age so they get pumped

Has the club addressed this
No
It needs to but as usual it focuses on on the star product


Unless we're going to field 45 players, or leave out Carlton listed players, it's inevitable that non AFL listed players miss out. Ridiculous point.
It's a development side and rightly so. Besides, we're recruited plenty of quality talent for our VFL program. It's just a matter of prioritising.

Obviously but it’s important we field a competitive VFL side


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 11:11 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
The guy on my blue heaven despite cracking eggs on his face is very good at explaining the problems the club has
In relation to to our VFL team it’s a basket case
The players who arnt AfL listed players playing in the VFL prefer to play at a stand alone club
This is because they want to feel like they are at a proper footy club
Case in point
Some guy he mentioned played really well for us in the ruck a few weeks ago
Hudson O’Keefe comes back and this guy goes back to play Montmorency
So players who are decent and mature age would rather play for stand alone clubs like Werribee Southport Port Melbourne
Therefore guys like Wilson and Lemmey play with blokes their age so they get pumped

Has the club addressed this
No
It needs to but as usual it focuses on on the star product


Unless we're going to field 45 players, or leave out Carlton listed players, it's inevitable that non AFL listed players miss out. Ridiculous point.
It's a development side and rightly so. Besides, we're recruited plenty of quality talent for our VFL program. It's just a matter of prioritising.

Yes , AFL listed blokes will always get first dibs and rightly so . My problem is our kids stagnate . Barely any improvement whatsoever . I like Luke Power and Ash Hansen but for some unknown reason the young ones are not showing anything . That talk about Southport being a mature side is a copout for mine . A good young kid should have been chafing at the bit to show his mettle . Nah , as all I can see is insipid half-hearted token efforts .

Too right Mick. Absolutely critical to get it sorted now that we’re bringing them through the Academy on a conveyor belt.

The Carlton Academy is our best-funded football asset. The transition from 17yo to 21yo is our worst.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 11:26 am 
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We’re going to have to start paying the coaching staff under the table.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 11:45 am 
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keogh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
The guy on my blue heaven despite cracking eggs on his face is very good at explaining the problems the club has
In relation to to our VFL team it’s a basket case
The players who arnt AfL listed players playing in the VFL prefer to play at a stand alone club
This is because they want to feel like they are at a proper footy club
Case in point
Some guy he mentioned played really well for us in the ruck a few weeks ago
Hudson O’Keefe comes back and this guy goes back to play Montmorency
So players who are decent and mature age would rather play for stand alone clubs like Werribee Southport Port Melbourne
Therefore guys like Wilson and Lemmey play with blokes their age so they get pumped

Has the club addressed this
No
It needs to but as usual it focuses on on the star product


Unless we're going to field 45 players, or leave out Carlton listed players, it's inevitable that non AFL listed players miss out. Ridiculous point.
It's a development side and rightly so. Besides, we're recruited plenty of quality talent for our VFL program. It's just a matter of prioritising.


Obviously but it’s important we field a competitive VFL side


Obviously we need to develop what we have on our list.
The VFL is our only option to develop the kids.

I think we too many kids, too many small forwards (7 of them) and 2 Irish experiments (and not enough depth/ experience and developing midfield players).

Regardless, we can't match the fire power a stand alone VFL team brings to the table. Blame the AFL for that and all the Byes in this unbalanced adhoc comp.

Its easy to see why players wanting to pursue an AFL career have a better chance to show their wares in a Stand alone team than a development squad. I'm afraid that is not a Carlton generated issue.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 11:53 am 
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Crusader wrote:
We’re going to have to start paying the coaching staff under the table.


Its a disgrace the AFL like to think it has its footy factories in order, but like any business, you need a marketing department to oversee R &D. The AFL, asleep at the wheel as usual, have forgotten the austerity measures they put in place to survive the covid crisis, are still in place.

The AFLPA recently made public for the first time in footy history most players do not want to stay in the football industry as a career choice, given the lack of money and the heavy loads expected from all coaches. All this whilst the AFL Commissioners all stick their hand out for over $1M pa to stay asleep at the wheel and pay consultants to tell them how to suck eggs. Suck they do.

The AFL Commission is a disgrace.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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As per usual they put the caps in place to support teams who cannot afford to pay what others can.
We all know who they are…….pathetic.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 4:37 pm 
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keogh wrote:
The guy on my blue heaven despite cracking eggs on his face is very good at explaining the problems the club has
In relation to to our VFL team it’s a basket case
The players who arnt AfL listed players playing in the VFL prefer to play at a stand alone club
This is because they want to feel like they are at a proper footy club
Case in point
Some guy he mentioned played really well for us in the ruck a few weeks ago
Hudson O’Keefe comes back and this guy goes back to play Montmorency
So players who are decent and mature age would rather play for stand alone clubs like Werribee Southport Port Melbourne
Therefore guys like Wilson and Lemmey play with blokes their age so they get pumped

Has the club addressed this
No
It needs to but as usual it focuses on on the star product

Keogh, how about you, Bondiblue, and Sydney Blue start a YouTube channel to review our games and analyse our Club?
I think that would be fantastic :thumbsup: .
Go Blues!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
We’re going to have to start paying the coaching staff under the table.


Its a disgrace the AFL like to think it has its footy factories in order, but like any business, you need a marketing department to oversee R &D. The AFL, asleep at the wheel as usual, have forgotten the austerity measures they put in place to survive the covid crisis, are still in place.

The AFLPA recently made public for the first time in footy history most players do not want to stay in the football industry as a career choice, given the lack of money and the heavy loads expected from all coaches. All this whilst the AFL Commissioners all stick their hand out for over $1M pa to stay asleep at the wheel and pay consultants to tell them how to suck eggs. Suck they do.

The AFL Commission is a disgrace.

100 % . No wonder we struggle to get decent back up staff . The money is shit .

PS .......... as far as assistant coaches go I would like to see us make a play for Boris Enright and Mickey Barlow .

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 Post subject: List Management 2025
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Remove list sizes. Introduce loans.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2025 11:35 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
We’re going to have to start paying the coaching staff under the table.


Its a disgrace the AFL like to think it has its footy factories in order, but like any business, you need a marketing department to oversee R &D. The AFL, asleep at the wheel as usual, have forgotten the austerity measures they put in place to survive the covid crisis, are still in place.

The AFLPA recently made public for the first time in footy history most players do not want to stay in the football industry as a career choice, given the lack of money and the heavy loads expected from all coaches. All this whilst the AFL Commissioners all stick their hand out for over $1M pa to stay asleep at the wheel and pay consultants to tell them how to suck eggs. Suck they do.

The AFL Commission is a disgrace.

100 % . No wonder we struggle to get decent back up staff . The money is shit .

PS .......... as far as assistant coaches go I would like to see us make a play for Boris Enright and Mickey Barlow .

We absolutely need to rebuild the off field list.

It’s structured like the playing list - top heavy.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2025 9:22 am 
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CFC8795 wrote:
keogh wrote:
The guy on my blue heaven despite cracking eggs on his face is very good at explaining the problems the club has
In relation to to our VFL team it’s a basket case
The players who arnt AfL listed players playing in the VFL prefer to play at a stand alone club
This is because they want to feel like they are at a proper footy club
Case in point
Some guy he mentioned played really well for us in the ruck a few weeks ago
Hudson O’Keefe comes back and this guy goes back to play Montmorency
So players who are decent and mature age would rather play for stand alone clubs like Werribee Southport Port Melbourne
Therefore guys like Wilson and Lemmey play with blokes their age so they get pumped

Has the club addressed this
No
It needs to but as usual it focuses on on the star product

Keogh, how about you, Bondiblue, and Sydney Blue start a YouTube channel to review our games and analyse our Club?
I think that would be fantastic :thumbsup: .
Go Blues!


That’s actually a great idea!

It’d be like “The Rest is Politics” where former British Labour Minister Alastair Campbell and and Former Tory Minister Rory Stewart go head to head.

We could call this one “The Rest are Successful”.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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GWS wrote:
CFC8795 wrote:
keogh wrote:
The guy on my blue heaven despite cracking eggs on his face is very good at explaining the problems the club has
In relation to to our VFL team it’s a basket case
The players who arnt AfL listed players playing in the VFL prefer to play at a stand alone club
This is because they want to feel like they are at a proper footy club
Case in point
Some guy he mentioned played really well for us in the ruck a few weeks ago
Hudson O’Keefe comes back and this guy goes back to play Montmorency
So players who are decent and mature age would rather play for stand alone clubs like Werribee Southport Port Melbourne
Therefore guys like Wilson and Lemmey play with blokes their age so they get pumped

Has the club addressed this
No
It needs to but as usual it focuses on on the star product

Keogh, how about you, Bondiblue, and Sydney Blue start a YouTube channel to review our games and analyse our Club?
I think that would be fantastic :thumbsup: .
Go Blues!


That’s actually a great idea!

It’d be like “The Rest is Politics” where former British Labour Minister Alastair Campbell and and Former Tory Minister Rory Stewart go head to head.

We could call this one “The Rest are Successful”.


Too right its a great idea . I would pay money to watch those hard arses go head to head . Make Cazz mediator with BV and ABNS providing special comments .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Mickstar wrote:
GWS wrote:
CFC8795 wrote:
keogh wrote:
The guy on my blue heaven despite cracking eggs on his face is very good at explaining the problems the club has
In relation to to our VFL team it’s a basket case
The players who arnt AfL listed players playing in the VFL prefer to play at a stand alone club
This is because they want to feel like they are at a proper footy club
Case in point
Some guy he mentioned played really well for us in the ruck a few weeks ago
Hudson O’Keefe comes back and this guy goes back to play Montmorency
So players who are decent and mature age would rather play for stand alone clubs like Werribee Southport Port Melbourne
Therefore guys like Wilson and Lemmey play with blokes their age so they get pumped

Has the club addressed this
No
It needs to but as usual it focuses on on the star product

Keogh, how about you, Bondiblue, and Sydney Blue start a YouTube channel to review our games and analyse our Club?
I think that would be fantastic :thumbsup: .
Go Blues!


That’s actually a great idea!

It’d be like “The Rest is Politics” where former British Labour Minister Alastair Campbell and and Former Tory Minister Rory Stewart go head to head.

We could call this one “The Rest are Successful”.


Too right its a great idea . I would pay money to watch those hard arses go head to head . Make Cazz mediator with BV and ABNS providing special comments .



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bluehammer wrote:
Remove list sizes. Introduce loans.



:eek: No there's a novel idea!
How far into debt can clubs go?


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Now that would be be fun


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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carntheblues wrote:
How far into debt can clubs go?



Well St Kilda dialed it right back to the 70s, so there's that :lol:

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