Its not being an arsehole wearing your heart on your sleeve mate . You do your thing buddy . I"ll say it again , it would be a dull old world if we were all the same . And besides , I quite enjoy yourself and Bondi bouncing off each other . Always good stuff from both of you . Both devoted to our great Club and there aint anything wrong with that .

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To be clear (something I've always had trouble with) I'm not against having our faults pointed out. It just gets a bit depressing when the same points are repeated, sometimes in a 'told you so' manner, without some sugary positives chucked in, when we're already going through a low.

I generally leave the analysis to others and mostly enjoy the banter (except when the knives are out) but in the end none of us know, however much we convince ourselves, what's around the corner. I would just like a little optimism at this stage of the season - it doesn't mean we're accepting of mediocrity, it's just that we don't know, never know, if all is lost.

Although we don't have to resort to such a credit-debit ledger system (no offence intended), Stefchook's post-game posts, for example, are quietly joyful to read. Pros. Cons. Agree or not. Is the sh*t part of the sandwich the filling or the bread? At least it's not all doom and gloom.

Go Blues.

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That cats game was the high water mark under voss. The last game we played with a healthy tdk and without pittonet. First game we put Williams forward. Somehow McGovern and weitering were the only talls we needed down back … and (mostly due to injury/ unavailability) we used a small and much more mobile team across the park

We ran and ran. And ran some more. Played on at all costs and used the corridor all night long.


That’s my biggest criticism of Voss. When he has everyone available… he goes big, slow and contested. The total opposite of the modern template for success.

The cats game is what I defer to in my mind - that’s the game where I know the personnel here on the list is good enough to give the comp a jolt. But we need a new coach and a new gameplan

Some of our best wins and best winning streaks have come about due to necessity and injury. Not actually Voss deciding

Yeah, I sadly agree with this. Can we not move our training ground to Curnow Farms?

What really stood out to me was most of the time, Hawk players instantly knew where to be for the next possession in the chain. And the guy with the ball in turn knew his teammate would be there. Whether that's instinct or strategy or a combination of both, they were streets ahead of us.

Our blokes would get the ball & either dump kick & hope, or wait for options.

They made us look like we were playing schoolboy footy

Having said that they looked absolutely hopeless in the first month of last year. My hawk mate was distraught at where their next win could come from. So it can be turned around pretty quickly.

I don't support sacking Voss but we're screaming out for some senior support for him.

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Love it. Stefchooks pros and cons hit the spot every time.

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AGREE

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Haha. Finally, we agree old mate!

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I love it when (Vossy) takes the foot off the brake frees up the players and play running footy at full pace. We can do it. I miss Cincotta.

You keep using the word Finally when I agree with you.
I agree with a lot you post. Not all.

I pull up anyone who distorts the facts to make an argument. You and keogh are guilty of that when referring to the past.
I don't like fans outside the 4 walls talking in absolutes, and not seeing both sides of the story and say why you take your position.

I admire your thoughts and take them onboard.

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There’s no need to distort facts old bean.

We aren’t a good footy team right now. We haven’t been for the last 25 years. One prelim final since 1999 is not a distortion.

We might disagree bcos I see a lot of plumb average footballers on our list and you seem to see potential here and there. I see a top heavy salary structure where 7 or 8 guys have the bulk of our cap, leaving us thin all over the park. I see a coach with one gear and no idea how to get out of said one gear.

But you see things entirely different.

One thing is certain. This year is make or break for Voss and many of our players. I wanted Harry gone for Houston and a pick or two this last summer.

That looks like we hung on to Harry for one year too long - which is what I feared. His peak had come and passed.

Time reveals all…

Good onya.

Don't go down that warren.

I quote facts, and when you've been wrong I've proved it. Other posters have recently alluded your ability to get your facts wrong. I will call them mistakes to make you feel better.

Nothing to do with seeing things entirely different. I'm not talking about 2 rucks vs one ruck. I'm talking about dates you quoted, rounds you quoted, number of weeks in a row you quoted, the actual weeks you quoted. Those sort of things. That was last year. I pulled you up every time, because like the "rascal "you were , you thought you'd get away with it, and you haven't done that this year, till now.

Your posts are indelible. It wouldn't take me long to pull up a few of the "facts" you have lets say, got wrong. Could you find any of mine?

Lets move on.

My blinkers are on looking forward. Lets see where Vossy takes us, and hope for the best ... and lets hope any good results don't mask issues we still have. Its no good for our team to stop things mid stream...hang on, after 2 rounds. Theres a season ahead for us to enjoy. Its fascinating.

I think we are top heavy and didnt cover ourselves like for like for those we discarded last year, and I am so sad SOS got 6 high darft picks, all mids so wrong.

Like you, its list things that fix things and they haven't. They're my issues. ...AND a good side kick for Vossy.

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Ahhh don’t hang onto my “facts” as anything. I work solely off memory. And type fast.

The gist I’ve always been on about is we are not a good club. We’re not well run, unless it’s money making and finances. Our list isn’t up to it and our coaching imo is a league worst collectively.



As for draft picks… it’s interesting. My hot take is we draft just fine. We don’t and can’t develop and never have been.

But when our history is steeped in buying premium players at premium prices - that priced other clubs out of it - of course we wouldn’t know how to develop.

I’m developing a migraine thinking about our developing.

I know your heart is in the right place, and you want the best for your club.

You could be right about the Football Dept and the development program. You could be wrong.

Injury may have something to do with game plan. If its injury then we don't have the depth to cover the injured. It looks to me we have a salary cap issue, we don't bat deep enough, but I strongly believe there is a long term plan.

Drafting Smith and not trading for Houston had nothing to do with salary cap. That looks to most a strategic move for the long game with the advent of Tassie.

I'm sure the club knew we had a depth issue when they didn't replace experienced quality delisted players with the same, that's if injury hit us hard, and it has. Well, for the first 2 rounds we have lost on the Roulette table. I just hope, it hasn't derailed our season, and we are luckier on the injury front, but I wont know till the season is done and dusted and see what we do with those 14 out of contract players and our salary cap. Hopefully against all odds we do a Bradbury and win a Flag, or play in a GF or end up Top 4 after the H&A season. Wins give me joy.

I really hope you're wrong, but I do take on board what you say, because some of it is worth putting a spotlight on and keep in the back of my mind.

Onya. You're a good sport, and lots of fun. Can't wait to meet you sometime this year for a ber and a feed. Bring your own gloves.

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Ha! A beer and a feed sounds perfect!