Our seconds have been poor for a long time

Always a good indicator that the club is not in good shape

It’s my biggest concern. There is not much coming through to put pressure on under performing players.

Agree that our game style is ordinary and it should be changed. However, how do you do this when we haven’t got the list to execute this. Our dearth of dynamic midfielders is quite telling.

The good clubs regenerate on the run. We throw all our eggs into one basket and hope for the best.

Anyone else watch port devour the tigers and feel nauseous?

Port were mollested round one and looked nearly as bad as us. Then they go do that. Meanwhile we slow play the wings look for contests and predictably fall short by 3 goals against the hawks.

This could be the longest season ever

I love our contest game but we should use it only at stoppages.

It feels like we deliberately create congestion and 50/50 balls because we think that's our only style that can work.

Clearance and stoppage to me is 60/40 for us at best. We have the upper hand, but only just.

Richmond killed us 2nd half at stoppage.

Ball movement and handball is a 90/10 proposition for the teams that are good at it.

We are dumb.

We don't play the situation, we try to manufacture the situation.

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As a club we seem out of form. There’s a handful of players that are holding us together, and our playing style is ratshit.

I don’t know what we spent the offseason doing but, right now, it’s not working.

Who’s accountable?

We'll recover somewhat and depending on other clubs, finish mid table.

...but we're also a Charlie, Cripps and Wieters LTI away from a bottom 4 finish. That's the game plan... relies way too much on too few... especially those three.

In a social media clip, Voss laments key contests the Hawks won in the last qtr and that we have to get better. Contested football is great when it works but you can't expect to win every one of them, especially against decent opposition.

We changed things up a bit in 2023 due to injuries and it was the most enjoyable period to watch under Voss.

I don't want to change the coach again... I'm sick of it. I would like to see the coach to change his ways.

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I’m back. It’s Joel.

I’ve been appearing on Terry’s Blue Abroad.

All that I’ve predicted has come to fruition.

It’s apparent that Voss cannot coach. If Hanson is coaching us then he too can’t coach.

Our two big boys are fruit loops and don’t have what it takes when the going gets tough.

Brad Lloyd is clueless and our administration still lacks leadership stability and accountability.

Gut the place and thank god that the saviour finally rears their head and gets this club going again like it was last century.

100% disagree with this approach.
This hasn't worked in the past and it will not work again.
Cook is the best in the business and I'm sure he'd disagree also.
We need to add more senior support for Voss and we need to start recruiting for the way the game is evolving.
Big trades at the end of the year, reduce salary cap, bring in more speed and skills in the middle, an electric small forward, a second mobile ruck for TDK (if he stays) and a key defender and we will be in much better shape.
Replace some of our line coaches and we will be back up there if we drop this year.

Refresh, build on, not rebuild.
We owe it to Crippa and some others.

I don’t wish to be negative but we have hired a lot of “best people in the business” before and they have not suited this clubs machinations. This is cooks last year. So his impact is minimal. A new prez is needed, new coach, new assistants, new players. New football manager…..sounds like a gutting to me. Don’t let the past mistakes determine our next course of action. We just need to make the right decisions. If that means new blood, so be it. I’m so f$&@ing sick of the mess. We have lost 9 of our last 11 with the 2 wins being west coast and north.

This club is seriously f$&@ked up.

I feel like the "blow it up and start again" approach is the easy way out, though, as counter intuitive as it might seem. It gives a short term emotional relief and saves you the bother of taking an honest, detailed look at what's working and what isn't. It kicks the can down the road in terms of delivering real results. And as we've seen in our own last two efforts - or as can be seen frequently in the many perennial failure franchises in US sport - it's a method that fails more often than it succeeds. When it does work, it's usually that the club has already established itself as a winning organisation, so the knock-down rebuild is done with clear purpose and an easy sell to potential recruits. We are obviously nowhere near this. So while my favoured approach may still end up with a completely rebuilt playing and coaching staff, I want it done in a measured, clear-headed approach. In short, I want to see what Graham Wright can do with what he's given, rather than immediately decide his arrival is the time to hit the self destruct button.

Where do you start? Our football sides suck, AFL, VFL AFLW. This is our core business.

I’m convinced Voss can’t coach, Austin can’t recruit and Llyod can’t manage budgets.

Measured response. Thanks GE. Some sanity after 2 rounds of footy in a very even competition where injury is the one thing that can derail any of the top 12 teams season. That’s what everyone says.

We can’t change the list during the year other than put Newman on LTI and hope we pick up a CHB or 2nd ruck….good omens.

It’s either injury or Voss who is the issue? Am I reading this right?

We all know injury derailed our season in 2023 after 10 wins in a row.
We all know after 5 wins in a row in 2024 we were flat faves only to have injury derail our season. We had 17 out injured the week before Finals.
We have started the season with Newman Smith Boyd Pitto Hollands Durdin missing from best 23 and playing 3 stars who already underdone and gaining fitness on the ground when played Curnow Harry Walsh

We have obviously bitten the bullet to relieve our list of injury prone: Cunningham, Martin, Marchbank.

The Vossy contested style of footy is the blame for our injury woes? Tell me which of these injured can be attributed to the game plan? Newman Smith McKay, Curnow Durdin, Boyd, Hollands, Carroll, Pittonet?

We wanted to change our so called one paced midfield and traded out Kennedy for pace of Smith. Smith does an ACL. The footy gods haven’t been nice to us.

We have lost 2 games by 5 goals despite more contested clrearances and F50 entries.

It’s only round 2. It’s a rough start. Who cares about Port Tigers result. A different set of circumstances to Carlton Richmond game. Not relevant unless you like to suffer and make up stuff to self administer suffering.

It’s become our DNA to change coaches. Geelong are glad they didn’t sack Thompson. Lions are glad they didn’t sack Fagan. Tigers are glad they didn’t sack Hardwick. demons are glad they didn’t sack Goodwin. Etc etc

Hot heads don’t think deep enough, they react. They react like a volcano. Uncontrollable.

Vossy is great at what he does well. He needs support. What have we given him for his last 3 years.
? Same same. Maybe get some new brains in there and forget blowing up the joint.

It’s time for measured responses. We have assets. It’s not 2002 or 2015, We have a one wood. We have gaps. We have injuries. Let’s work our way out of this.

The current list is built for a contested brand. We should have beaten the flashy holllywood hawks playing our brand with predictable forward entry, they got 5 chains from the backline and a ride from the umps and only beat us by 3 goals! Flag faves

Cellar dweller eagles nearly beat last years premiership Lions today
Cellar dweller NM beat 2020 Premiers Dees
cellar dweller Tigers beat finals contender Carlton
Port got thrashed. Pies got thrashed.
saints killed flag faves Geelong

Do you understand what Voss means by taking your moments?
SOS 1.3
Motlop 1.3
Chop 3.1

We lost to flag faves 8.12 v 12,8

And some want to blow up the joint after 2 rounds into another even season, rather than finding a way through this season to play finals.

I’m sure the hotheads who want to blow up our club wouldn’t do the same to their livelihood . Hotheads speak through their arse and are the last people you want in the trenches without their ADHD medication.

We have a foootybseason to play. It’s only 2 rounds in. I waited all summer for footy to start. I want us to try and win our way to Finals. I’m not listening to those who write off the season after 2 rounds. History tells me a season isn’t over after round 2. What a ridiculous thought.

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Great stuff sides. Some common sense.

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Your first sentence is spot on. A moment in time.

The next 3 sentences don’t attribute anything to form, and looking for heads to roll instead of looking at why the form issue.

Here’s a clue:

These players have had a disrupted preseason or injured

Curnow McKay Newman Smith Walsh … our superstars … Boyd Durdin Pittonet Camporeale Cincotta O’Keefe Carroll, fantasia

You reckon that may have attributed to current form… and against that backdrop…we lost to flag faves by 3 goals. Umpires gave them 3, took 2 away from us and we missed 4 sitters hence 8.12 to 12.8

Come on…stick up for your team and be reasonable

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What a pathetic answer! Are you serious?! This club is miles off the pace.

None of these conversations would be happening if we had got Papley and Houston.
Fancy having 2 stars of the competition nominate they want to come to us and we don't make it happen.
Name another club that doesn't get these deals done.


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I don’t think you read my response. I didn’t say anything controversial did I?
I’m asking a question … reckon that may ha be contributed to form?
Phoning a friend.

I value your opinion over mine any day.
I’m trying to be reasobale but not sure how to take your response.
Can you help? Injury isn’t an excuse anymore?

I bet Pies hope Nick Daicos doesn’t get injured? Watch a reckon big boy?

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Sadly I think Vossy may be a good people manager but he's got no idea how to coach with the cattle he has.

Our game plan is known to everyone. He has no plan B. We never initiate change, we always respond.

We seem stuck on a plan that needs players we don't have. We need a plan that works with the players we have. It's obvious we don't have a good small forward yet we play like we do.

I'm so sad that after all we've been through, we are still back at the stage where, we have no brand other than insipid.

As per the great strategist van Mohlke said, "No plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first encounter with the main enemy forces.".

Yet we seem to have a coach and coaching staff that don't understand that.

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Let’s start with we both want the same thing, Carlton to be successful.

Yes, we have injuries, but we haven’t developed depth. We also don’t have a game style that stands up unless those superstars fire. That’s a combination of failures for the 3 I named. I’d ask you to be reasonable and consider how I see it.

As for losing to the flag favourites, as you point out, it’s round 2, that’ll change half a dozen times before the season finishes.

I don’t wan to see another generation of players lost. Someone on here said if you can’t change the people, then change the people.

Sadly I think Vossy may be a good people manager but he's got no idea how to coach with the cattle he has.

Our game plan is known to everyone. He has no plan B. We never initiate change, we always respond.

We seem stuck on a plan that needs players we don't have. We need a plan that works with the players we have. It's obvious we don't have a good small forward yet we play like we do.

I'm so sad that after all we've been through, we are still back at the stage where, we have no brand other than insipid.

As per the great strategist van Mohlke said, "No plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first encounter with the main enemy forces.".

Yet we seem to have a coach and coaching staff that don't understand that.

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You can say that again!