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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:15 pm 
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keogh wrote:
We are rooted
Simply not good enough
The effort was there but not the class
Hawthorn has passed us in a year
Saad simply doesn’t do enough
Mc Govern soft again
Acres cooked
Docherty cooked
Haynes another afl reject
Curnow not fit enough
Hollands vanilla
Cerra ok but not worth a first and third rounder
Williams showed something but didn’t touch it when it really mattered
Fogarty just so average
Walsh vanilla
Voss no faith in the youngsters
DeKoning Hewett and Cripps carried us
Don’t be sucked in to the honourable loss syndrome
This club needs to make some big decisions
But guess what
They won’t
Simply put
This list ain’t good enough
That’s the best we can play and we are 20 points off



As always K, predictable!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:15 pm 
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F50 Entries.
Too many from the centre of the ground.
The first one from Ollie was as bad as Doc dropping the mark.
Kemp was out the back.



https://x.com/CarltonFCBlues/status/1902855762923360714


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:18 pm 
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Jono182 wrote:
Just watched the press conference.

He looks like a man feeling the pressure and is clearly not happy with the media.

He seemed relatively pleased with our performance - which is crazy.

We kicked 2 goals in a half.. we did not look a threat at all in then second half.

We don’t have a system.


And yet if Docherty takes the mark (which he should have) 40m out directly in front and converts we would have been in front at 3/4 time!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:23 pm 
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WE are TO SLOW,been case for years so Austin brings in who ????? we need players that breakaway SPEED but Nick cant see this .


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:23 pm 
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Juanita Jones wrote:
Random question - how did Sicily the defender end up kicking a goal?



Answer, he was moved from defence to attack because Cottrell was playing a negating role on him and was winning. This change was forced because Siciliy was having no impact at half back. A win for Carlton. The issue of the goal was that all our defenders and TDK tried to mark when Sicily was in front - basic skill error that cost a goal.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:25 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Yeah/Nah......most of the posters, I'm tipping, were not there tonight and, as usual, give their critique from the armchair. If you were there, as most of you would not have been as you are armchairers, you would have seen how much we cracked in. First bounce- mystery free to Hawthorn. Chol goal. No one at the ground knew what that was for. TDK kicks the next and mystery free to them. That's 12 points. Second quarter both TDK and SOS miss sodas. 3rd quarter two goal reviews for SOS and Jesse. All those things go our ways and we win. Yeah, 4th quarter we were not good but , hey, take some good.


Modern afl, most teams have a crack mate. And if that’s our metric we’re hanging our hat on on here… it’ll be another 30 years before we win a flag

Cold, hard truth is we’ve now lost 9 from the past 11. Our list has holes & deficiencies all thru it and we’re so shallow, we are one injury away from utter devastation- that being a top 3 or draft pick which we don’t even own.

Our coach is not up to it, his gameplan the afl’s worst and he seems too stubborn/ bereft of ideas to steer us right.

We have peaked… so, now what?



Were you at the game?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:34 pm 
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keogh wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Yeah/Nah......most of the posters, I'm tipping, were not there tonight and, as usual, give their critique from the armchair. If you were there, as most of you would not have been as you are armchairers, you would have seen how much we cracked in. First bounce- mystery free to Hawthorn. Chol goal. No one at the ground knew what that was for. TDK kicks the next and mystery free to them. That's 12 points. Second quarter both TDK and SOS miss sodas. 3rd quarter two goal reviews for SOS and Jesse. All those things go our ways and we win. Yeah, 4th quarter we were not good but , hey, take some good.

And on top of all that we never really looked or felt like we were hitting our straps. A lot of upside still if we can find the mojo


You guys are in dreamland
The game is always evolving
In the small sample size this year clearances contested possession have reduced in importance
It’s what you do when you get the ball and spread and how efficient you are with it that matters more
We have recruited for the former and it shows
Effort was there I can see that from my couch. I can also see the execution isn’t.
Effort should be a given but execution for a team that should be ready after a so called 10 year rebuild isn’t
So many bad recruiting decisions
Saad for a first rounder. You don’t pay overs for a HBF
Cerra for a first and third rounder. Cerra was the fifth best mid at Freo after Serong Brayshaw Fyfe and Mundy
Cerra are Saad are good players but what we gave up for them was too much
The leadership out there is shit
McGovern and Willamsshow zero of it yet are senior players
Williams came to our club on a huge 6 year contract and now plays as a small forward. He was ok in patches but where was he in the last
Then you get the Alex Fasolo pick
The pick when you need to top up your list
Haynes is cooked.
How many blokes have we recruited of this nature
It’s a joke
Meanwhile Jacob Blight gets picked up from Peel Thunder in his early 20s
How does Weitering feel with McGovern Young and Haynes supporting him
Lewis Young was insipid but we gave this guy a 4 year contract
Another spud from another club
But don’t worry
Our denying coach said he went ok
And then there is Curnow’s selection
The guy clearly shouldn’t of played
The messiah approach is still alive and well at Royal Parade
Make no mistake we are in a world of pain
The club has always had a level of denial
Until that changes stick a fork in us
We have an average list
We have a coach who has one plan that is outdated
We have no first rounder in 2025 with Tassie coming in soon after that
Clubs like Hawthorn have scooted past us
We have won 2 of our last 12
Those two West Coast and North

Unless the club trades some big names to relieve salary cap pressure gets some decent picks gets a modern thinking coach which doesn’t have to be big name nails some draft pick and stop picking up recycled trash that’s it’s being doing for 25 years we are treading water
I can see that from my armchair



I'm not sure why you post Keogh. You don't go to games and all you ever are is negative. You must really be craving attention.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:37 pm 
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Effes wrote:
https://x.com/JamesIves17/status/1902856631534358652

Look at Young's attempt to tackle Dylan Moore!



I am certainly not a Young fan, but to be honest after the first 5 minutes last night he played OK.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:40 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
F50 Entries.
Too many from the centre of the ground.
The first one from Ollie was as bad as Doc dropping the mark.
Kemp was out the back.



https://x.com/CarltonFCBlues/status/1902855762923360714



I agree there was not a lot of composure when we went into F50 but that is often the result of pressure and maybe the forwards were asking too much. In some of those instances the forwards were running to the wrong spot.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 12:59 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
keogh wrote:
We are rooted
Simply not good enough
The effort was there but not the class
Hawthorn has passed us in a year
Saad simply doesn’t do enough
Mc Govern soft again
Acres cooked
Docherty cooked
Haynes another afl reject
Curnow not fit enough
Hollands vanilla
Cerra ok but not worth a first and third rounder
Williams showed something but didn’t touch it when it really mattered
Fogarty just so average
Walsh vanilla
Voss no faith in the youngsters
DeKoning Hewett and Cripps carried us
Don’t be sucked in to the honourable loss syndrome
This club needs to make some big decisions
But guess what
They won’t
Simply put
This list ain’t good enough
That’s the best we can play and we are 20 points off



As always K, predictable!

Anything you disagree with?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:04 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Effes wrote:
https://x.com/JamesIves17/status/1902856631534358652

Look at Young's attempt to tackle Dylan Moore!



I am certainly not a Young fan, but to be honest after the first 5 minutes last night he played OK.

Here is your problem
If you think Young was ok for 115 minutes last night you clearly need to watch other teams defenders and see what they do
Like Jack Buckley
If you know who he is
Plays with intensity
Doesn’t squib it
Isn’t just a defender but provides rebound
Plays on smalls and talls
Number 44 for the Giants if you don’t know him
Young was putrid last night
Watch the replay again
And he is signed till next year
For a guy who. Is 200 cm plays with zero mongrel and presence


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:13 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
keogh wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Yeah/Nah......most of the posters, I'm tipping, were not there tonight and, as usual, give their critique from the armchair. If you were there, as most of you would not have been as you are armchairers, you would have seen how much we cracked in. First bounce- mystery free to Hawthorn. Chol goal. No one at the ground knew what that was for. TDK kicks the next and mystery free to them. That's 12 points. Second quarter both TDK and SOS miss sodas. 3rd quarter two goal reviews for SOS and Jesse. All those things go our ways and we win. Yeah, 4th quarter we were not good but , hey, take some good.

And on top of all that we never really looked or felt like we were hitting our straps. A lot of upside still if we can find the mojo


You guys are in dreamland
The game is always evolving
In the small sample size this year clearances contested possession have reduced in importance
It’s what you do when you get the ball and spread and how efficient you are with it that matters more
We have recruited for the former and it shows
Effort was there I can see that from my couch. I can also see the execution isn’t.
Effort should be a given but execution for a team that should be ready after a so called 10 year rebuild isn’t
So many bad recruiting decisions
Saad for a first rounder. You don’t pay overs for a HBF
Cerra for a first and third rounder. Cerra was the fifth best mid at Freo after Serong Brayshaw Fyfe and Mundy
Cerra are Saad are good players but what we gave up for them was too much
The leadership out there is shit
McGovern and Willamsshow zero of it yet are senior players
Williams came to our club on a huge 6 year contract and now plays as a small forward. He was ok in patches but where was he in the last
Then you get the Alex Fasolo pick
The pick when you need to top up your list
Haynes is cooked.
How many blokes have we recruited of this nature
It’s a joke
Meanwhile Jacob Blight gets picked up from Peel Thunder in his early 20s
How does Weitering feel with McGovern Young and Haynes supporting him
Lewis Young was insipid but we gave this guy a 4 year contract
Another spud from another club
But don’t worry
Our denying coach said he went ok
And then there is Curnow’s selection
The guy clearly shouldn’t of played
The messiah approach is still alive and well at Royal Parade
Make no mistake we are in a world of pain
The club has always had a level of denial
Until that changes stick a fork in us
We have an average list
We have a coach who has one plan that is outdated
We have no first rounder in 2025 with Tassie coming in soon after that
Clubs like Hawthorn have scooted past us
We have won 2 of our last 12
Those two West Coast and North

Unless the club trades some big names to relieve salary cap pressure gets some decent picks gets a modern thinking coach which doesn’t have to be big name nails some draft pick and stop picking up recycled trash that’s it’s being doing for 25 years we are treading water
I can see that from my armchair



I'm not sure why you post Keogh. You don't go to games and all you ever are is negative. You must really be craving attention.


I want the club to be successful
But you can’t be successful if you don’t own the problems
Essentially that is the problem of the club
Melbourne have realised that their game style has to change
The crash and bash footy style is not sustainable
Other clubs have picked it apart
Look at the Essendon* Hawthorn game last week
Essendon* had 21 more clearances and smashed Hawthorn at contested footy
And never looked like winning
Actually one thing I love is following the game and how it continues to change
Hawthorn will have players sitting off 20 m or so and are happy to lose the stoppage but make sure the opposition earn it
They regain the pill and are then in motion

Mitchell is a very smart coach
Voss has time to change things but he appears so @#$%&! stubborn
I would play Wilson because he has genuine speed
Moir because he is a pure forward
Binns can run all day
Acres looks like he is really labouring
He has to try different things and play different players
The status quo doesn’t work


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:16 pm 
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GWS wrote:
Booked dinner at Akiba for 7:30pm Thursday early in the week. Only realised yesterday morning that’s when the game was on.

Didn’t feel a hint of disappointment I’d miss the game when I realised. I don’t remember that happening before.

kingfish, coconut, nam jim, coriander
pork belly bun, char siu, asian slaw, pickles
japanese fried chicken, lemon braised onions, parmesan, sriracha mayo
cone bay barramundi, miso lemon butter, pickled enoki, pickled chilli
charred chinese broccoli, house made oyster sauce, sesame seed
wombok salad, bean shoots, peanuts, chilli, lime

Then went to the cinema and saw David Wenham in Spit having rewatched Gettin’ Square the night before.

Superb dinner, great film, happy beautiful partner.

Terrific night! :smile:


Is this your team for next week??
kingfish, coconut, nam jim, coriander
pork belly bun, char siu, asian slaw, pickles
japanese fried chicken, lemon braised onions, parmesan, sriracha mayo
cone bay barramundi, miso lemon butter, pickled enoki, pickled chilli
charred chinese broccoli, house made oyster sauce, sesame seed
wombok salad, bean shoots, peanuts, chilli, lime


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 1:30 pm 
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keogh wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
keogh wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Yeah/Nah......most of the posters, I'm tipping, were not there tonight and, as usual, give their critique from the armchair. If you were there, as most of you would not have been as you are armchairers, you would have seen how much we cracked in. First bounce- mystery free to Hawthorn. Chol goal. No one at the ground knew what that was for. TDK kicks the next and mystery free to them. That's 12 points. Second quarter both TDK and SOS miss sodas. 3rd quarter two goal reviews for SOS and Jesse. All those things go our ways and we win. Yeah, 4th quarter we were not good but , hey, take some good.

And on top of all that we never really looked or felt like we were hitting our straps. A lot of upside still if we can find the mojo


You guys are in dreamland
The game is always evolving
In the small sample size this year clearances contested possession have reduced in importance
It’s what you do when you get the ball and spread and how efficient you are with it that matters more
We have recruited for the former and it shows
Effort was there I can see that from my couch. I can also see the execution isn’t.
Effort should be a given but execution for a team that should be ready after a so called 10 year rebuild isn’t
So many bad recruiting decisions
Saad for a first rounder. You don’t pay overs for a HBF
Cerra for a first and third rounder. Cerra was the fifth best mid at Freo after Serong Brayshaw Fyfe and Mundy
Cerra are Saad are good players but what we gave up for them was too much
The leadership out there is shit
McGovern and Willamsshow zero of it yet are senior players
Williams came to our club on a huge 6 year contract and now plays as a small forward. He was ok in patches but where was he in the last
Then you get the Alex Fasolo pick
The pick when you need to top up your list
Haynes is cooked.
How many blokes have we recruited of this nature
It’s a joke
Meanwhile Jacob Blight gets picked up from Peel Thunder in his early 20s
How does Weitering feel with McGovern Young and Haynes supporting him
Lewis Young was insipid but we gave this guy a 4 year contract
Another spud from another club
But don’t worry
Our denying coach said he went ok
And then there is Curnow’s selection
The guy clearly shouldn’t of played
The messiah approach is still alive and well at Royal Parade
Make no mistake we are in a world of pain
The club has always had a level of denial
Until that changes stick a fork in us
We have an average list
We have a coach who has one plan that is outdated
We have no first rounder in 2025 with Tassie coming in soon after that
Clubs like Hawthorn have scooted past us
We have won 2 of our last 12
Those two West Coast and North

Unless the club trades some big names to relieve salary cap pressure gets some decent picks gets a modern thinking coach which doesn’t have to be big name nails some draft pick and stop picking up recycled trash that’s it’s being doing for 25 years we are treading water
I can see that from my armchair



I'm not sure why you post Keogh. You don't go to games and all you ever are is negative. You must really be craving attention.


I want the club to be successful
But you can’t be successful if you don’t own the problems
Essentially that is the problem of the club
Melbourne have realised that their game style has to change
The crash and bash footy style is not sustainable
Other clubs have picked it apart
Look at the Essendon** Hawthorn game last week
Essendon** had 21 more clearances and smashed Hawthorn at contested footy
And never looked like winning
Actually one thing I love is following the game and how it continues to change
Hawthorn will have players sitting off 20 m or so and are happy to lose the stoppage but make sure the opposition earn it
They regain the pill and are then in motion

Mitchell is a very smart coach
Voss has time to change things but he appears so @#$%&! stubborn
I would play Wilson because he has genuine speed
Moir because he is a pure forward
Binns can run all day
Acres looks like he is really labouring
He has to try different things and play different players
The status quo doesn’t work


I do think our no.1 problem is the game style. I suspect a several of our fumbly players would look a lot better if they get released by a couple of quick handballs (which is what freed up Saad for his run/kick to Williams) and there’s little pressure on the kick. And also, if we are kicking to moving targets leading out to space.
I love our crash/bash at stoppage but we need to be good at dishing off to a player or two to enable the burst into space.
I love Vossy as a leader but I suspect this wont change unless we at least get a new assistant coach or two (I was v surprised this didn’t happen over the summer) and probably until we get a new coach.

The problem we have is how/when to make the call. The key question is how we would go if the team was executing Voss’s game plan perfectly? And I suspect we could be 3-3 or even possibly 4-2 in a few weeks and we’ll probably win enough to keep the answer to that question arguable until late into the season.

However, if the bottom does fall out, I’d be torn between big coaching changes asap to salvage a crack at a flag under a new game plan (if it is indeed true that the players are looking a lot less skilful because of the game plan). Or… revamp the list and start again with Walsh leading the new brigade. In which case, I’d happily give up a few of our premium players who could attract multiple first round picks.
Oh, and we might need a revamp of the recruiting team to ensure we don’t stuff that up too.

ON THE OTHER HAND… the teams that finished most strongly last season hadn’t registered a win yet and not for another few weeks (Hawks, Lions…) so i live in equal doses of hope and fear!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:00 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
keogh wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Yeah/Nah......most of the posters, I'm tipping, were not there tonight and, as usual, give their critique from the armchair. If you were there, as most of you would not have been as you are armchairers, you would have seen how much we cracked in. First bounce- mystery free to Hawthorn. Chol goal. No one at the ground knew what that was for. TDK kicks the next and mystery free to them. That's 12 points. Second quarter both TDK and SOS miss sodas. 3rd quarter two goal reviews for SOS and Jesse. All those things go our ways and we win. Yeah, 4th quarter we were not good but , hey, take some good.

And on top of all that we never really looked or felt like we were hitting our straps. A lot of upside still if we can find the mojo


You guys are in dreamland
The game is always evolving
In the small sample size this year clearances contested possession have reduced in importance
It’s what you do when you get the ball and spread and how efficient you are with it that matters more
We have recruited for the former and it shows
Effort was there I can see that from my couch. I can also see the execution isn’t.
Effort should be a given but execution for a team that should be ready after a so called 10 year rebuild isn’t
So many bad recruiting decisions
Saad for a first rounder. You don’t pay overs for a HBF
Cerra for a first and third rounder. Cerra was the fifth best mid at Freo after Serong Brayshaw Fyfe and Mundy
Cerra are Saad are good players but what we gave up for them was too much
The leadership out there is shit
McGovern and Willamsshow zero of it yet are senior players
Williams came to our club on a huge 6 year contract and now plays as a small forward. He was ok in patches but where was he in the last
Then you get the Alex Fasolo pick
The pick when you need to top up your list
Haynes is cooked.
How many blokes have we recruited of this nature
It’s a joke
Meanwhile Jacob Blight gets picked up from Peel Thunder in his early 20s
How does Weitering feel with McGovern Young and Haynes supporting him
Lewis Young was insipid but we gave this guy a 4 year contract
Another spud from another club
But don’t worry
Our denying coach said he went ok
And then there is Curnow’s selection
The guy clearly shouldn’t of played
The messiah approach is still alive and well at Royal Parade
Make no mistake we are in a world of pain
The club has always had a level of denial
Until that changes stick a fork in us
We have an average list
We have a coach who has one plan that is outdated
We have no first rounder in 2025 with Tassie coming in soon after that
Clubs like Hawthorn have scooted past us
We have won 2 of our last 12
Those two West Coast and North

Unless the club trades some big names to relieve salary cap pressure gets some decent picks gets a modern thinking coach which doesn’t have to be big name nails some draft pick and stop picking up recycled trash that’s it’s being doing for 25 years we are treading water
I can see that from my armchair



I'm not sure why you post Keogh. You don't go to games and all you ever are is negative. You must really be craving attention.


Truth hurts. He's spot on.

Isn't Keogh from WA? You expect him to go to every game?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:04 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Braithy wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Yeah/Nah......most of the posters, I'm tipping, were not there tonight and, as usual, give their critique from the armchair. If you were there, as most of you would not have been as you are armchairers, you would have seen how much we cracked in. First bounce- mystery free to Hawthorn. Chol goal. No one at the ground knew what that was for. TDK kicks the next and mystery free to them. That's 12 points. Second quarter both TDK and SOS miss sodas. 3rd quarter two goal reviews for SOS and Jesse. All those things go our ways and we win. Yeah, 4th quarter we were not good but , hey, take some good.


Modern afl, most teams have a crack mate. And if that’s our metric we’re hanging our hat on on here… it’ll be another 30 years before we win a flag

Cold, hard truth is we’ve now lost 9 from the past 11. Our list has holes & deficiencies all thru it and we’re so shallow, we are one injury away from utter devastation- that being a top 3 or draft pick which we don’t even own.

Our coach is not up to it, his gameplan the afl’s worst and he seems too stubborn/ bereft of ideas to steer us right.

We have peaked… so, now what?



Were you at the game?



Yeah. But I fail to see the relevance.


Anyone with eyes, either there or at home on the Tele can tell we are way behind the power curve of the elite teams. And coaching is really, really poor. And our chances of finals is really quite slim under the current construction of gameplan and list


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:25 pm 
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BACKDROP

Missing from our best 23

CHF: McKay ........ replaced by Young
HBF: Newman .... Gov keeps his spot
BP: Boyd ... small defender
Mid: Cincotta ... lose our best tagger
Mid: Smith .......lose our outside speed
HFF: Hollands....lose our goal kicking HF, and good kick
FP: Fantasia .... inform small forward replaced by Motlop

FF: Curnow......was definitely not match ready

SOS moves from CHB to support Curnow
Young goes to CHB on Chol, and ruck to give TDK a chop out

GAME LOWLIGHTS

Carlton hard done by umpires.
Hardwick goal was a charity in the first
Frees in the middle for ??? end up 2 goals for Hawks
Free against SOS after TDKs goal was ridiculous
Hawks caught with 19 on the ground. No auto free or 50m penalty. Ball up :screwy:
Manhandling of Cripps at contests no free. Touch a Hawk and its a "Freekick Hawthorn" call.
Chol pushes Young in the number 33 (back) and marks and goals. No free given to Young.
Hands over Charlies shoulders no frees
Meek had more hit outs to advantage against a tiring TDK.
A couple easy shots at goal hit post
Acres terribly out of form in preseason and continues poor form, yet selected
Wings failed us.
Lost Saad's drive whilst he is a lockdown defender. Miss Boyd.

SOS kicks 1.3
Chol kicks 3.1
Motlop 1.3

Williams 2.0 only 65% game time again. WTF?

Bottom 6 for me were Acres, Kemp, Fogarty, Motlop, Cowan, Young, Gov, Haines, Charlie. That's 7 too many.

HIGHLIGHTS

Intensity great
Contested ball great
TDK, Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Hollands, Weitering great.
Walsh, Cottrell, SOS, good.
That running goal from TDK (not paid)
That run from the backline by Saad to goal
That running long kick by Doc to Williams.
2 quick goals in a row
Lucas Campo not disgraced and another game under his belt.
Hollands blanketing AA Dylan Moore
TDK's desperation to get us over the line. Was huge.
Young in the ruck actually won when in there.
Docherty's defensive work, stopped a lot of potential Hawks passages.

SUMMARY

If Hawks are the best team in the comp, and we lost by 3 goals with all the above going on, we are not too far off.

Obviously depth is an issue when needing to cover injury. That's next year.

Hopefully Curnow and McKay find form. Hoping for 2 to play together next week, to start their season.

Appreciate the never say die effort, and winning the contested ball and clearances.

Keep up the energy and intensity, and form will come, on the back of that. Saw some glimpses of what could be.

The one that got away....again.

Next, Dogs. Hopefully Boydy and Harry will be back.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:30 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:

I do think our no.1 problem is the game style. I suspect a several of our fumbly players would look a lot better if they get released by a couple of quick handballs (which is what freed up Saad for his run/kick to Williams) and there’s little pressure on the kick. And also, if we are kicking to moving targets leading out to space.
I love our crash/bash at stoppage but we need to be good at dishing off to a player or two to enable the burst into space.
I love Vossy as a leader but I suspect this wont change unless we at least get a new assistant coach or two (I was v surprised this didn’t happen over the summer) and probably until we get a new coach.

The problem we have is how/when to make the call. The key question is how we would go if the team was executing Voss’s game plan perfectly? And I suspect we could be 3-3 or even possibly 4-2 in a few weeks and we’ll probably win enough to keep the answer to that question arguable until late into the season.

However, if the bottom does fall out, I’d be torn between big coaching changes asap to salvage a crack at a flag under a new game plan (if it is indeed true that the players are looking a lot less skilful because of the game plan). Or… revamp the list and start again with Walsh leading the new brigade. In which case, I’d happily give up a few of our premium players who could attract multiple first round picks.
Oh, and we might need a revamp of the recruiting team to ensure we don’t stuff that up too.

ON THE OTHER HAND… the teams that finished most strongly last season hadn’t registered a win yet and not for another few weeks (Hawks, Lions…) so i live in equal doses of hope and fear!


:thumbsup:

No coaching sackings till after TDK decision please.

We don't have the personnel for a different game plan.
SOS recruited for a contested brand of footy.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:54 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
keogh wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
Yeah/Nah......most of the posters, I'm tipping, were not there tonight and, as usual, give their critique from the armchair. If you were there, as most of you would not have been as you are armchairers, you would have seen how much we cracked in. First bounce- mystery free to Hawthorn. Chol goal. No one at the ground knew what that was for. TDK kicks the next and mystery free to them. That's 12 points. Second quarter both TDK and SOS miss sodas. 3rd quarter two goal reviews for SOS and Jesse. All those things go our ways and we win. Yeah, 4th quarter we were not good but , hey, take some good.

And on top of all that we never really looked or felt like we were hitting our straps. A lot of upside still if we can find the mojo


You guys are in dreamland
The game is always evolving
In the small sample size this year clearances contested possession have reduced in importance
It’s what you do when you get the ball and spread and how efficient you are with it that matters more
We have recruited for the former and it shows
Effort was there I can see that from my couch. I can also see the execution isn’t.
Effort should be a given but execution for a team that should be ready after a so called 10 year rebuild isn’t
So many bad recruiting decisions
Saad for a first rounder. You don’t pay overs for a HBF
Cerra for a first and third rounder. Cerra was the fifth best mid at Freo after Serong Brayshaw Fyfe and Mundy
Cerra are Saad are good players but what we gave up for them was too much
The leadership out there is shit
McGovern and Willamsshow zero of it yet are senior players
Williams came to our club on a huge 6 year contract and now plays as a small forward. He was ok in patches but where was he in the last
Then you get the Alex Fasolo pick
The pick when you need to top up your list
Haynes is cooked.
How many blokes have we recruited of this nature
It’s a joke
Meanwhile Jacob Blight gets picked up from Peel Thunder in his early 20s
How does Weitering feel with McGovern Young and Haynes supporting him
Lewis Young was insipid but we gave this guy a 4 year contract
Another spud from another club
But don’t worry
Our denying coach said he went ok
And then there is Curnow’s selection
The guy clearly shouldn’t of played
The messiah approach is still alive and well at Royal Parade
Make no mistake we are in a world of pain
The club has always had a level of denial
Until that changes stick a fork in us
We have an average list
We have a coach who has one plan that is outdated
We have no first rounder in 2025 with Tassie coming in soon after that
Clubs like Hawthorn have scooted past us
We have won 2 of our last 12
Those two West Coast and North

Unless the club trades some big names to relieve salary cap pressure gets some decent picks gets a modern thinking coach which doesn’t have to be big name nails some draft pick and stop picking up recycled trash that’s it’s being doing for 25 years we are treading water
I can see that from my armchair



I'm not sure why you post Keogh. You don't go to games and all you ever are is negative. You must really be craving attention.


Truth hurts. He's spot on.

Isn't Keogh from WA? You expect him to go to every game?



The thing is the warning signs were there at the end of 2024
The injuries were a distraction
We limped into the Finals last year
Only Freo’s pathetic performance against Port got us in
Then Voss put in the worst coaching effort against Brisbane

I advocated to get an experienced tactician with coaching experience to help
A Roos
A Longmire
Someone who could help Voss tactically and have a greater understanding of of the modern game
That person doesn’t have to be at the club all the time
One day a week even
Whether the club tried to do this over the summer it hasn’t happened
I’m not an advocate for sacking coaches but Voss has to change the game style
That doesn’t seemed to have happened over summer
He simply can’t keep giving players games if they fail to produce
There are replacements
As for recruiting Haynes only dumb organizations make the same mistakes over and over again
He couldn’t get a game at GWS for a reason and they had just as many injuries as Carlton did

Whether we like it or not the game changes almost at an instant
Whether game styles become redundant or players wear out you have to change
Stay stagnant and you get left behind


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[quote="keogh]


The thing is the warning signs were there at the end of 2024
The injuries were a distraction
We limped into the Finals last year
Only Freo’s pathetic performance against Port got us in
Then Voss put in the worst coaching effort against Brisbane

I advocated to get an experienced tactician with coaching experience to help
A Roos
A Longmire
Someone who could help Voss tactically and have a greater understanding of of the modern game
That person doesn’t have to be at the club all the time
One day a week even
Whether the club tried to do this over the summer it hasn’t happened
I’m not an advocate for sacking coaches but Voss has to change the game style
That doesn’t seemed to have happened over summer
He simply can’t keep giving players games if they fail to produce
There are replacements
As for recruiting Haynes only dumb organizations make the same mistakes over and over again
He couldn’t get a game at GWS for a reason and they had just as many injuries as Carlton did

Whether we like it or not the game changes almost at an instant
Whether game styles become redundant or players wear out you have to change
Stay stagnant and you get left behind[/quote]

Get Simpson

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