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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:25 pm 
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. I blame Weiters for the running the backline press, ie when to, as he did in first half, and when not to, which he didnt chnage in the 2nd half when Richmond changed their entry into the forwardline. Hence ball over his head and we saw 5 walk in goals ... and Haynes and Gov get all the blame for not being set up to support. SOS alluded to that in his post game interview.
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Interesting point. I gave Weiters 5 votes because he intercepted plenty and held his marks. But the more I reflected on it, the more I doubted his leadership and teamwork in the game. Ian from Navy Blue Corner gave all the votes (3, 2 and 1) to JSOS because he was the only one who showed any heart. I would add that he was the only one who understood, respected AND executed his role within the team.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:30 pm 
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It was mentioned on one of the review shows that the more time the ball spent in our f50, the more players soaked up to our end and the more open space there was when Richmond got a fast break

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bondiblue wrote:
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. I blame Weiters for the running the backline press, ie when to, as he did in first half, and when not to, which he didnt chnage in the 2nd half when Richmond changed their entry into the forwardline. Hence ball over his head and we saw 5 walk in goals ... and Haynes and Gov get all the blame for not being set up to support. SOS alluded to that in his post game interview.
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Interesting point. I gave Weiters 5 votes because he intercepted plenty and held his marks. But the more I reflected on it, the more I doubted his leadership and teamwork in the game. Ian from Navy Blue Corner gave all the votes (3, 2 and 1) to JSOS because he was the only one who showed any heart. I would add that he was the only one who understood, respected AND executed his role within the team.


I gave my MVP to lion hearted Patrick Cripps and one vote to Weitering for an amazing first half show of his ability to play CHB.

SOS was great imo. He positioned himself well, and I felt assured he'd do the right thing as opposed to Young.

I don't want us to get sucked into how good SOS was forward.
I'd love him forward as part of a Fwd Ruck Rotation between TDK, SOS and Harry, to keep them all fresh in the ruck, and be a dangerous target, sometimes a 3 headed monster when TDK is down there.

But, we need a CHB. For now SOS it is, until we play Weitering CHB, and dare I say, the other full back's name......

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:50 pm 
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It was mentioned on one of the review shows that the more time the ball spent in our f50, the more players soaked up to our end and the more open space there was when Richmond got a fast break


Interesting take.

I think you can easily read that or into the rope a dope, or create the vice versa Pagans paddock. It looked that way.

Bottom line is when the ball was in our forward line what was happening during that soak?

Our smalls were not dangerous: not in strength (Fog the exception), not in speed (Williams in a small burst).
We just couldn't get the nut in our control forward of centre.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:52 pm 
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Yes it wouldn't have been an issue if we'd been hitting the scoreboard

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:53 pm 
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And the bee under my bonnet..... Mr nice guy, Harry McKay, Vossy'd pet.

Harry was swatted aside like a fly by a 20yo kid, with only 2 preseasons under his belt.
That's what was embarrassing, moreso, for me, than the Haines and Gov Comedy Capers.

If he's playing injured, warn us from weeks ago he is working hard to get up for round 1, and we could blame that instead of his heart.
But we haven't been told he was injured and until it is the case, time to turn the spot light onto our hand out Harry.

I know its not nice to say that, but FFS show a bit strength, fight for your line, for your position in the contest... the fans saw it. Got brushed aside without a fight: autumn leaf like.

Can't unsee that meek effort.

FFS motivate him Vossy. He isn't playing for you.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:54 pm 
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Yes it wouldn't have been an issue if we'd been hitting the scoreboard


True.

Wasted opportunity again.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 3:32 pm 
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It all starts with halfback. We can’t put speed on the ball and go attacking from there bcos we don’t have the cattle to orchestrate such things.



We need to get Boyd back into form & into the team. But I think for now he probably needs a bit more of a run in the 2s.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2025 11:34 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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Interesting point. I gave Weiters 5 votes because he intercepted plenty and held his marks. But the more I reflected on it, the more I doubted his leadership and teamwork in the game. Ian from Navy Blue Corner gave all the votes (3, 2 and 1) to JSOS because he was the only one who showed any heart. I would add that he was the only one who understood, respected AND executed his role within the team.


He is so underrated.


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Arc enemy: The damning stats where the 'blaze away Blues' are failing

Riley Beveridge highlights one of Carlton's major areas of concern after last week's horror loss to Richmond

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1282296/arc ... re-failing

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 8:23 am 
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That is horrible reading :yikes:

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 8:33 am 
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Not arguing against the conclusions of the article, but it'd be nice to have some stats from other clubs for comparison.

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On Thursday night, 65 per cent of Carlton's inside-50s – the most of any side in the competition – were from beyond the area defined as 'near the arc'.


This is meaningless without knowing what the average is across the league.
Is it something that just needs a slight adjustment, or is Carlton miles from the rest of the competition?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 8:34 am 
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Yeah. I mean we've been complaining about it for years but some of those statistics are insane.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 9:24 am 
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What makes it worse, all our players either run to that spot and create a tsunami or kick it to a 3 v 1 contest. It’s just rubbish when we have players closer to the deliverer but refuse to lower the eyes or even give off the handball. Just under 10’s footy.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 10:41 am 
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Effes wrote:
Arc enemy: The damning stats where the 'blaze away Blues' are failing

Riley Beveridge highlights one of Carlton's major areas of concern after last week's horror loss to Richmond

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1282296/arc ... re-failing

Horrible reading, but it pretty much sums up what I've seen.
Having a midfield that lacks speed and skill causes panic, confusion and a complete lack of composure, hence the poor execution we've seen - low percentage entries.
Which still blows my mind when you know how good Voss was as a mid.

I hope they start with the team rule I put in the Richmond game thread.
1. Only go into F50 shallow if there is a target you can hit, otherwise chip the ball around until you can find one or get the ball closer to go deep to the square.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 10:43 am 
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Wojee wrote:
Not arguing against the conclusions of the article, but it'd be nice to have some stats from other clubs for comparison.

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On Thursday night, 65 per cent of Carlton's inside-50s – the most of any side in the competition – were from beyond the area defined as 'near the arc'.


This is meaningless without knowing what the average is across the league.
Is it something that just needs a slight adjustment, or is Carlton miles from the rest of the competition?

And also what is the success rate of this v alternatives?

Also sometimes you get your success from the variations not the standard.
Like a bowler sticking to a particular line and then sending one down with the reverse swing or seam.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 10:48 am 
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jezzarules wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Not arguing against the conclusions of the article, but it'd be nice to have some stats from other clubs for comparison.

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On Thursday night, 65 per cent of Carlton's inside-50s – the most of any side in the competition – were from beyond the area defined as 'near the arc'.


This is meaningless without knowing what the average is across the league.
Is it something that just needs a slight adjustment, or is Carlton miles from the rest of the competition?

And also what is the success rate of this v alternatives?

Also sometimes you get your success from the variations not the standard.
Like a bowler sticking to a particular line and then sending one down with the reverse swing or seam.

Both Gold Coast and the Pies kicked 136 points from the same amount of entries, so there is that.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:19 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Not arguing against the conclusions of the article, but it'd be nice to have some stats from other clubs for comparison.

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On Thursday night, 65 per cent of Carlton's inside-50s – the most of any side in the competition – were from beyond the area defined as 'near the arc'.


This is meaningless without knowing what the average is across the league.
Is it something that just needs a slight adjustment, or is Carlton miles from the rest of the competition?

And also what is the success rate of this v alternatives?

Also sometimes you get your success from the variations not the standard.
Like a bowler sticking to a particular line and then sending one down with the reverse swing or seam.

Both Gold Coast and the Pies kicked 136 points from the same amount of entries, so there is that.


:thumbsup:

Its not meaningless as suggested.

Look closely and you will see what it means...and its the antithesis of:

Our midfield is slow, one paced.
Our list is no good
Our defence lacks a CHB
Our defenders are too clow
Our older players are over the hill
It goes on and on...after a loss.

Winge winge winge

Our Coach can't coach ... we had 65 entries.
We lose a lot of games after winning the stats and forward entries.
There lies the MAJOR problem.

How do we make Harry and Charlie work consistently?

I love Healy's opinion "release Curnow". I have always been a fan of him roaming the forwardline and have Harry at FF who is unstoppable on a lead, and presents a contest with the high ball if he's left one on one.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:00 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Not arguing against the conclusions of the article, but it'd be nice to have some stats from other clubs for comparison.

Quote:
On Thursday night, 65 per cent of Carlton's inside-50s – the most of any side in the competition – were from beyond the area defined as 'near the arc'.


This is meaningless without knowing what the average is across the league.
Is it something that just needs a slight adjustment, or is Carlton miles from the rest of the competition?

And also what is the success rate of this v alternatives?

Also sometimes you get your success from the variations not the standard.
Like a bowler sticking to a particular line and then sending one down with the reverse swing or seam.

Both Gold Coast and the Pies kicked 136 points from the same amount of entries, so there is that.


:thumbsup:

Its not meaningless as suggested.

Look closely and you will see what it means...and its the antithesis of:

Our midfield is slow, one paced.
Our list is no good
Our defence lacks a CHB
Our defenders are too clow
Our older players are over the hill
It goes on and on...after a loss.

Winge winge winge

Our Coach can't coach ... we had 65 entries.
We lose a lot of games after winning the stats and forward entries.
There lies the MAJOR problem.

How do we make Harry and Charlie work consistently?

I love Healy's opinion "release Curnow". I have always been a fan of him roaming the forwardline and have Harry at FF who is unstoppable on a lead, and presents a contest with the high ball if he's left one on one.

Harry should be in the square most of the time and Charlie should be playing a Jeremy Cameron role moving up the ground, it has worked for us in the past and it can work again. 100% agree with this.
Either way, a better team approach from the midfield with entries will patch some of the issues until we can speed up our midfield and get mids that can run in waves and kick the goals themselves, especially from centre clearances.
We shouldn't rely so much on the forward line to score, especially when they are put in low percentage positions all the time from hack entries.

Is it bad that I think the term 'Blaze Away Blues' is apt and unfortunately catchy?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 1:12 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Arc enemy: The damning stats where the 'blaze away Blues' are failing

Riley Beveridge highlights one of Carlton's major areas of concern after last week's horror loss to Richmond

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1282296/arc ... re-failing


Oh my lord it’s not a great shock we have been saying that for eons did we really need for confirmation from a journo did we


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