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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:54 am 
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I watched JSOS playing defence in the reserves against Sydney last year.
He was clearly BOG
Not sure how that would translate playing it in the big time as from memory we gave them a bit of a touch up

3rd tall rotating ruck for me.

Maybe the thought of playing him back was made when they were suggested 5 interchange no sub meaning you could play 2 rucks

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True. SOS in that VFL game was the most effective defender. He was the negator and the creator.

A stand out. Whether he can translate that to AFL .... I think he can, but I want him as the Fwd-Ruck.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:06 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
CHB is a fantasy for Jack. Any coach worth his salt will isolate him deep at every opportunity. We saw how it tormented the defence with Weitering being consistently dragged away from the play. The consistent change of match ups creates too much disruption. We need talls and smalls that can stand up on either line and do the job.
It will be either sink or swim for Jack in the goal square. We can't carry players that can't adapt.

Personally I can't see it.
The last thing we need is another slow, poor disposer of the footy in the back half. I hope I'm wrong.

Out of interest, if Jack plays defence, who is our relieving ruckman?


CHB is a fantasy for Carlton since we let go Jones. Too right its a fantasy.

Good point re isolating SOS, against a quick KPF, someone like Freo's Jackson, and reminding us his disposal is hit and miss.

We are short on options if Young is overlooked, or folds, and we don't find a stop gap from the SSP or MSD.

A couple of weeks ago, Diesel said SOS is really strong, like his old man, and his strength is what they are keen on in defense.
That's good when playing shoulder to shoulder with the high ball coming in. Need to pressure the kicker up the ground!!!

Lets hope our midfield doesn't leak like it did in the last 2 months of 2024. I think that was half the problem for the defenders.
We know Kemp and Gov struggle one on one, and Kemps been invited to train with the forwards, so he's not an option in ruck either.

SOS is in my best 23 for 2025 (thus far).
SOS is my pick as 3rd Forward/ Ruck.

TDK is not an option as Fwd Ruck. He will be the AFL star Ruckman in 2025.
In 2023, I didn't have SOS in my best 23. Pitto was No 1 Ruck and TDK was the Fwd Ruck.

Kemp is training with the forwards. Kemp replaces Kennedy as the 2nd marking target when Harry rucks (Im still uncomfortable about that), in the hope Charlie isnt double teamed. The other 3rd marking tall/ non ruckman might be Moir, or even Gov (that wont happen). Liam McMahon? He can ruck, mark around the ground, and kick straight.

Lets hope Austin pulls a rabbit out of his hat with his next 2 picks.


As you say, maybe that is why the interest in McMahon, not as a defender but as a ruck/fwd. I’ve been puzzled by the interest in him as I don’t see a gap for him to fill, despite him being a good forward.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:39 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
CHB is a fantasy for Jack. Any coach worth his salt will isolate him deep at every opportunity. We saw how it tormented the defence with Weitering being consistently dragged away from the play. The consistent change of match ups creates too much disruption. We need talls and smalls that can stand up on either line and do the job.
It will be either sink or swim for Jack in the goal square. We can't carry players that can't adapt.

Personally I can't see it.
The last thing we need is another slow, poor disposer of the footy in the back half. I hope I'm wrong.

Out of interest, if Jack plays defence, who is our relieving ruckman?


CHB is a fantasy for Carlton since we let go Jones. Too right its a fantasy.

Good point re isolating SOS, against a quick KPF, someone like Freo's Jackson, and reminding us his disposal is hit and miss.

We are short on options if Young is overlooked, or folds, and we don't find a stop gap from the SSP or MSD.

Hence… in ya go, HOF. Concave chest and all.

Maybe the interest in McMahon is an indication that Lemmey will be the one? It’s been fairly uninspiring at previous attempts, but the talent & athleticism is there. He can’t even see the carrot as a forward.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Maybe the status quo, plus Haynes, is enough?

A CHB isn’t going to shift the needle when we’re getting blown away in D50 stoppages and defensive transition.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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As you say, maybe that is why the interest in McMahon, not as a defender but as a ruck/fwd. I’ve been puzzled by the interest in him as I don’t see a gap for him to fill, despite him being a good forward.


McMahon would be a good backup if needed. I feel he needs to win more contested footy but having him and Lemmey developing isn’t such a bad thing. I do however see SoS and Kemp as the next 2 up forward but IMO, Kemp isn’t KP.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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SurreyBlue wrote:
sinbagger wrote:

As you say, maybe that is why the interest in McMahon, not as a defender but as a ruck/fwd. I’ve been puzzled by the interest in him as I don’t see a gap for him to fill, despite him being a good forward.


McMahon would be a good backup if needed. I feel he needs to win more contested footy but having him and Lemmey developing isn’t such a bad thing. I do however see SoS and Kemp as the next 2 up forward but IMO, Kemp isn’t KP.


Liam contests for and wins the hardest ball i the game; the highest ball.

My SWOT analysis of the KPD prospects for possible SSP selection based on need for now/ upside, versatility, durability, height, weight, strength, speed, marking, handball, shepherding, kicking and handball has McMahon, ahead of DGB, ahead of Durdin.

I had my eyes on McCartin, and we have a pick before Swans, but haven't heard boo, and then Cooper.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:32 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
CHB is a fantasy for Jack. Any coach worth his salt will isolate him deep at every opportunity. We saw how it tormented the defence with Weitering being consistently dragged away from the play. The consistent change of match ups creates too much disruption. We need talls and smalls that can stand up on either line and do the job.
It will be either sink or swim for Jack in the goal square. We can't carry players that can't adapt.

Personally I can't see it.
The last thing we need is another slow, poor disposer of the footy in the back half. I hope I'm wrong.

Out of interest, if Jack plays defence, who is our relieving ruckman?


CHB is a fantasy for Carlton since we let go Jones. Too right its a fantasy.

Good point re isolating SOS, against a quick KPF, someone like Freo's Jackson, and reminding us his disposal is hit and miss.

We are short on options if Young is overlooked, or folds, and we don't find a stop gap from the SSP or MSD.

Hence… in ya go, HOF. Concave chest and all. :lol:

Maybe the interest in McMahon is an indication that Lemmey will be the one? It’s been fairly uninspiring at previous attempts, but the talent & athleticism is there. He can’t even see the carrot as a forward.


Interesting POV re Lemming.

Lemmey has lost a bit of that puppy fat and reckons he's worked on his speed and endurance...he's coming off a very low base, but look forward to any change for the better.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:33 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Maybe the status quo, plus Haynes, is enough?

A CHB isn’t going to shift the needle when we’re getting blown away in D50 stoppages and defensive transition.


Completely agree.

Mids leaked a lot in last 2 months of 2024, making defenders lives hell.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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One thing is for sure, we are all on watch to see how it plays out and given the game changes so quickly throughout a year, what we start with may not be what we end the year with.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Things I've found interesting recently:

Agresta in that pre-draft conversation, suggesting that the midfield is Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett and the Hollands' boys.

That O. Hollands mentions how Lord has come back from his break in amazing condition and is looking very good.

That Lord apparently has elite endurance, keeping up with Hollands and Binns in the first time trial.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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bluechampion wrote:
Things I've found interesting recently:

Agresta in that pre-draft conversation, suggesting that the midfield is Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett and the Hollands' boys.

That O. Hollands mentions how Lord has come back from his break in amazing condition and is looking very good.

That Lord apparently has elite endurance, keeping up with Hollands and Binns in the first time trial.

Lord’s transformation is incredible. It might be best if we stop talking about it, so he can catch a few opponents napping early. Get some kills.

Tom Atkins was sneaking in to the contest off half back like Keyser Söze for 2-3 years before anyone realised. Sneak in, murder the opposition’s primary, sneak back out.

Lord can be that for us… minus the out of control alcoholism.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Crusader wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
Things I've found interesting recently:

Agresta in that pre-draft conversation, suggesting that the midfield is Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett and the Hollands' boys.

That O. Hollands mentions how Lord has come back from his break in amazing condition and is looking very good.

That Lord apparently has elite endurance, keeping up with Hollands and Binns in the first time trial.

Lord’s transformation is incredible. It might be best if we stop talking about it, so he can catch a few opponents napping early. Get some kills.

Tom Atkins was sneaking in to the contest off half back like Keyser Söze for 2-3 years before anyone realised. Sneak in, murder the opposition’s primary, sneak back out.

Lord can be that for us… minus the out of control alcoholism.


Binns and Hollands can motor . The fact that Lord was hot on there heals is testament to the work he has put in . Well done to him . He sounds like a hungry footballer .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:55 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Crusader wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
Things I've found interesting recently:

Agresta in that pre-draft conversation, suggesting that the midfield is Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett and the Hollands' boys.

That O. Hollands mentions how Lord has come back from his break in amazing condition and is looking very good.

That Lord apparently has elite endurance, keeping up with Hollands and Binns in the first time trial.

Lord’s transformation is incredible. It might be best if we stop talking about it, so he can catch a few opponents napping early. Get some kills.

Tom Atkins was sneaking in to the contest off half back like Keyser Söze for 2-3 years before anyone realised. Sneak in, murder the opposition’s primary, sneak back out.

Lord can be that for us… minus the out of control alcoholism.


Binns and Hollands can motor . The fact that Lord was hot on there heals is testament to the work he has put in . Well done to him . He sounds like a hungry footballer .

Yeah, but Scoop would have 15kg on them both.

He’s out wide, chasing pelagics. Those other boys, you’d be worried about them out western port.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Crusader wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
Things I've found interesting recently:

Agresta in that pre-draft conversation, suggesting that the midfield is Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett and the Hollands' boys.

That O. Hollands mentions how Lord has come back from his break in amazing condition and is looking very good.

That Lord apparently has elite endurance, keeping up with Hollands and Binns in the first time trial.

Lord’s transformation is incredible. It might be best if we stop talking about it, so he can catch a few opponents napping early. Get some kills.

Tom Atkins was sneaking in to the contest off half back like Keyser Söze for 2-3 years before anyone realised. Sneak in, murder the opposition’s primary, sneak back out.

Lord can be that for us… minus the out of control alcoholism.


Just spent the last three days hanging out with Tom’s aunt who’s an old friend.

His wedding sounded like quite the endurance event… :lol:

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I was watching the first week's training highlights reel on the weekend.

There was a bit where Lewis Young marks the ball at full back ……waits…..waits……kicks long down the line.

There were coaches and players yelling out "move it on" - not sure if he is ever going to be the player we want him to be.

As a counter, Jagga looks bloody brilliant and not out-of-place playing against the grown-ups.

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GodisNavyBlue wrote:
I was watching the first week's training highlights reel on the weekend.

There was a bit where Lewis Young marks the ball at full back ……waits…..waits……kicks long down the line.

There were coaches and players yelling out "move it on" - not sure if he is ever going to be the player we want him to be.

As a counter, Jagga looks bloody brilliant and not out-of-place playing against the grown-ups.


Noticed the same thing - he always hesitates so the moment is lost...there are so many kinds of courage.

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GodisNavyBlue wrote:
I was watching the first week's training highlights reel on the weekend.

There was a bit where Lewis Young marks the ball at full back ……waits…..waits……kicks long down the line.

There were coaches and players yelling out "move it on" - not sure if he is ever going to be the player we want him to be.

As a counter, Jagga looks bloody brilliant and not out-of-place playing against the grown-ups.

The umpire yelled “move it on”.

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I also noticed that passage from Young - same old; indecisive


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carntheblues wrote:
I also noticed that passage from Young - same old; indecisive


The MC back in 2022 had a lot of confidence in Young's ability to mark a ball.
Young was programmed to hold the ball till he sees a better option back in 2022. He use to rush it a bit.
He hasn't been able to shake that.

Someone has to get into his head, this preseason. I'm sure theres' drills he can do in the next few months to get him moving. If he doesn't, his name will be on the trade list again come seasons end.

Surely he watches replays with his line coach and they are talking about the problem he has, and the effect it has on the team's ball movement.

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