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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:26 pm 
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Hear me out (and I'm just whispering it) but I wouldn't mind having a look at Davey.



me too. although i think it's alwynn who is the decent one with potential, not this one???

The other one did a knee towards the end of his draft year. Played a full season in the VFL this year & got 30+ shots off without starring in any sort of fashion. I guess it’s on him to find the level.

There’s a Waylon Davey-Motlop in the draft pool as well. Seem to recall Eddie being in the news as one of the mentors to open a few doors for the lad.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Without jumping at shadows, I wonder how Walsh’s potential issues change the retention strategy. If there’s genuine concerns around his ability to play long term then surely he won’t be on the million dollar extended contract that’s been expected.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Crusader wrote:
Braithy wrote:
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Hear me out (and I'm just whispering it) but I wouldn't mind having a look at Davey.



me too. although i think it's alwynn who is the decent one with potential, not this one???

The other one did a knee towards the end of his draft year. Played a full season in the VFL this year & got 30+ shots off without starring in any sort of fashion. I guess it’s on him to find the level.

There’s a Waylon Davey-Motlop in the draft pool as well. Seem to recall Eddie being in the news as one of the mentors to open a few doors for the lad.



whatchu reckon? get this kid in on a training deal and see if he's better than the two we have?

bombers are such a basketcase, wouldn't surprise me they'd let a good kid go with some promise.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:26 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Braithy wrote:
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Hear me out (and I'm just whispering it) but I wouldn't mind having a look at Davey.



me too. although i think it's alwynn who is the decent one with potential, not this one???

The other one did a knee towards the end of his draft year. Played a full season in the VFL this year & got 30+ shots off without starring in any sort of fashion. I guess it’s on him to find the level.

There’s a Waylon Davey-Motlop in the draft pool as well. Seem to recall Eddie being in the news as one of the mentors to open a few doors for the lad.



whatchu reckon? get this kid in on a training deal and see if he's better than the two we have?

bombers are such a basketcase, wouldn't surprise me they'd let a good kid go with some promise.

Hard pass.

Given half a chance, I’d replace them all with midfielders.

Two high, four deep. Don’t care what size they are.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Fingers crossed


That’ll be 1-2 weeks…

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Don't waste time on Davey . He aint gonna make it . A mile off . Give an untried kid a go .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Braithy wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Hear me out (and I'm just whispering it) but I wouldn't mind having a look at Davey.



me too. although i think it's alwynn who is the decent one with potential, not this one???

The other one did a knee towards the end of his draft year. Played a full season in the VFL this year & got 30+ shots off without starring in any sort of fashion. I guess it’s on him to find the level.

There’s a Waylon Davey-Motlop in the draft pool as well. Seem to recall Eddie being in the news as one of the mentors to open a few doors for the lad.



whatchu reckon? get this kid in on a training deal and see if he's better than the two we have?

bombers are such a basketcase, wouldn't surprise me they'd let a good kid go with some promise.


Only selected becaue of the FS connection.

Pass. VFL player at best.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:27 am 
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Without jumping at shadows, I wonder how Walsh’s potential issues change the retention strategy. If there’s genuine concerns around his ability to play long term then surely he won’t be on the million dollar extended contract that’s been expected.


Until Walsh is struck off our list, he has just as much chance of playing great footy, for a long time, as Charlie has since his career ending injury was scribed on his epitaph.

Walsh's numbers do not read like a player whose fallen off the earth.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:01 am 
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Calling Crusader...Crusader

RFI

With SOS on LT1 we picked up Lord to fill his spot, and that gave us an extra player we need to upgrade or delist?

With the addition of recent delistings of Carroll, Durdin and Carroll, to previous Marchbank, Martin, Cuningham, Akueii and Mirkov and Trading out Kennedy and Owies we have let go 10 players but need to fill 9 spots, given the Lord situation.

As a result we have

1. Pick 3
2. Pick 38
3. Pick 63,68, 69 Ben Camporeale
4. Pick 72 SSP? (McMahon, DBG, Phillips, McCartin)
5. Lucas Camporeale rookie or pick 72
6. Boyd upgrade
7. Lord upgrade
8. Duffy for Cat B Akueii
9. Haynes

We have 3 more spots to fill outside the knowns (Ben & Lucas)? 3, 38, SSP?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:28 am 
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Calling Crusader...Crusader

RFI

With SOS on LT1 we picked up Lord to fill his spot, and that gave us an extra player we need to upgrade or delist?

With the addition of recent delistings of Carroll, Durdin and Carroll, to previous Marchbank, Martin, Cuningham, Akueii and Mirkov and Trading out Kennedy and Owies we have let go 10 players but need to fill 9 spots, given the Lord situation.

As a result we have

1. Pick 3
2. Pick 38
3. Pick 63,68, 69 Ben Camporeale
4. Pick 72 SSP? (McMahon, DBG, Phillips, McCartin)
5. Lucas Camporeale rookie or pick 72
6. Boyd upgrade
7. Lord upgrade
8. Duffy for Cat B Akueii
9. Haynes

We have 3 more spots to fill outside the knowns (Ben & Lucas)? 3, 38, SSP?

MSD additions are a standard rookie (Cat. A) contract. The Jai Newcombe name-your-terms malarkey ended with him.

So, Lord is Cat. A rookie with at least three years of eligibility (4th & 5th year if under the games cap). Boyd has played too many games to trigger the bonus years. He has to be promoted.

We’ve got five spots left to fill. I think we’ll go with the minimum 36 on the Primary list, to keep some flexibility with the TPP. There are some intriguing DFA options out there though, so we might go to 37 and take one fewer through the subsequent windows.

Virtual list (without DFA):

Primary - 36
Cat. A - 6
Cat. B - 2

Deletions:
P: Marchbank, Cuningham, Martin, Owies, Kennedy, J.Carroll
R(a): Boyd (prom.), Mirkov, S.Durdin, M.Carroll
R(b): Akuei

Additions:
P: Boyd (prom.), Haynes, B.Camporeale, L.Camporeale, Pick 3, Pick 38
R(a): Lord, 3xRD/SSP/MSD
R(b): Duffy

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:20 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Calling Crusader...Crusader

RFI

With SOS on LT1 we picked up Lord to fill his spot, and that gave us an extra player we need to upgrade or delist?

With the addition of recent delistings of Carroll, Durdin and Carroll, to previous Marchbank, Martin, Cuningham, Akueii and Mirkov and Trading out Kennedy and Owies we have let go 10 players but need to fill 9 spots, given the Lord situation.

As a result we have

1. Pick 3
2. Pick 38
3. Pick 63,68, 69 Ben Camporeale
4. Pick 72 SSP? (McMahon, DBG, Phillips, McCartin)
5. Lucas Camporeale rookie or pick 72
6. Boyd upgrade
7. Lord upgrade
8. Duffy for Cat B Akueii
9. Haynes

We have 3 more spots to fill outside the knowns (Ben & Lucas)? 3, 38, SSP?

MSD additions are a standard rookie (Cat. A) contract. The Jai Newcombe name-your-terms malarkey ended with him.

So, Lord is Cat. A rookie with at least three years of eligibility (4th & 5th year if under the games cap). Boyd has played too many games to trigger the bonus years. He has to be promoted.

We’ve got five spots left to fill. I think we’ll go with the minimum 36 on the Primary list, to keep some flexibility with the TPP. There are some intriguing DFA options out there though, so we might go to 37 and take one fewer through the subsequent windows.

Virtual list (without DFA):

Primary - 36
Cat. A - 6
Cat. B - 2

Deletions:
P: Marchbank, Cuningham, Martin, Owies, Kennedy, J.Carroll
R(a): Boyd (prom.), Mirkov, S.Durdin, M.Carroll
R(b): Akuei

Additions:
P: Boyd (prom.), Haynes, B.Camporeale, L.Camporeale, Pick 3, Pick 38
R(a): Lord, 3xRD/SSP/MSD
R(b): Duffy


Thanks Cru :thumbsup:

I thought we had 5 spots left for Pick 3, 38, Ben Campo, Lucas Campo and SSP (McMahon?), and we had an extra player due to MSD pick, Lord.

I'm loving this list improvement. I like having 4 rucks: No 1 ruck (TDK), Fwd-Ruck (SOS?), one back up (Pitto) and one developing (O'Keefe).

I'm expecting 198cm McMahon to be selected as SSP, and possibly a threat to SOS playing as KPD or Fwd-Ruck.

No idea what pick 38 will get us, or if it is upgraded to higher pick than PA's pick 30ish, or a future pick. Exciting.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:38 pm 
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Dont come at me. But do we have to upgrade Boyd. Yes we do as per the rules, but do we want to ? Good as a rookie but i dont think as someone on the main list.

I dont rate this guy as much as you all seem to. What am i missing here with this guy. And yes i watch all games.

He was rubbish this year after he came back from suspension.

Has a good kick. Doesnt get much of the ball. Doesnt defend that well.

My opinion. But spots are at a premium.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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sure woulda been nice to upgrade boyd with houston.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Braithy wrote:
sure woulda been nice to upgrade boyd with houston.


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You gotta let it go.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:46 pm 
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Dont come at me. But do we have to upgrade Boyd. Yes we do as per the rules, but do we want to ? Good as a rookie but i dont think as someone on the main list.

I dont rate this guy as much as you all seem to. What am i missing here with this guy. And yes i watch all games.

He was rubbish this year after he came back from suspension.

Has a good kick. Doesnt get much of the ball. Doesnt defend that well.

My opinion. But spots are at a premium.

We’re through the squeeze. No less than 17 expiring contracts next year.

Regardless, Boyd is contracted through 2026. The upgrade, for all intents and purposes, has already happened.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:55 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Calling Crusader...Crusader

RFI

With SOS on LT1 we picked up Lord to fill his spot, and that gave us an extra player we need to upgrade or delist?

With the addition of recent delistings of Carroll, Durdin and Carroll, to previous Marchbank, Martin, Cuningham, Akueii and Mirkov and Trading out Kennedy and Owies we have let go 10 players but need to fill 9 spots, given the Lord situation.

As a result we have

1. Pick 3
2. Pick 38
3. Pick 63,68, 69 Ben Camporeale
4. Pick 72 SSP? (McMahon, DBG, Phillips, McCartin)
5. Lucas Camporeale rookie or pick 72
6. Boyd upgrade
7. Lord upgrade
8. Duffy for Cat B Akueii
9. Haynes

We have 3 more spots to fill outside the knowns (Ben & Lucas)? 3, 38, SSP?

MSD additions are a standard rookie (Cat. A) contract. The Jai Newcombe name-your-terms malarkey ended with him.

So, Lord is Cat. A rookie with at least three years of eligibility (4th & 5th year if under the games cap). Boyd has played too many games to trigger the bonus years. He has to be promoted.

We’ve got five spots left to fill. I think we’ll go with the minimum 36 on the Primary list, to keep some flexibility with the TPP. There are some intriguing DFA options out there though, so we might go to 37 and take one fewer through the subsequent windows.

Virtual list (without DFA):

Primary - 36
Cat. A - 6
Cat. B - 2

Deletions:
P: Marchbank, Cuningham, Martin, Owies, Kennedy, J.Carroll
R(a): Boyd (prom.), Mirkov, S.Durdin, M.Carroll
R(b): Akuei

Additions:
P: Boyd (prom.), Haynes, B.Camporeale, L.Camporeale, Pick 3, Pick 38
R(a): Lord, 3xRD/SSP/MSD
R(b): Duffy


Thanks Cru :thumbsup:

I thought we had 5 spots left for Pick 3, 38, Ben Campo, Lucas Campo and SSP (McMahon?), and we had an extra player due to MSD pick, Lord.

I'm loving this list improvement. I like having 4 rucks: No 1 ruck (TDK), Fwd-Ruck (SOS?), one back up (Pitto) and one developing (O'Keefe).

I'm expecting 198cm McMahon to be selected as SSP, and possibly a threat to SOS playing as KPD or Fwd-Ruck.

No idea what pick 38 will get us, or if it is upgraded to higher pick than PA's pick 30ish, or a future pick. Exciting.

I think we’ll let McMahon go… at least, I hope we do. He’s not a defender & we have surplus forwards of that type. Put Lemmey - or Jack - in the deep end & have them lead the line for the reserves.

Before any VFL signings, or preseason flyers, I have got our reserves looking something like this:

B: Boyd DFA/SSP ND#38
HB: Wilson Young Duffy
C: Binns Lord L.Camporeale
R: Pittonet B.Camporeale ND#3
HF: C.Durdin Lemmey Fantasia
F: Motlop Silvagni Monahan
I: O’Keeffe RD#11 DFA/SSP

Every single one of those forwards has got the job ahead of them. Another premium signing in that zone couldn’t possibly be good for development.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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bluechampion wrote:
Braithy wrote:
sure woulda been nice to upgrade boyd with houston.


sigh


You gotta let it go.



yeah, i know. i mostly have.

if he carves us up when we play the pies it'll be hard to watch. and if the pies finish above us on the ladder, it'll be harder to watch .


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:02 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Dont come at me. But do we have to upgrade Boyd. Yes we do as per the rules, but do we want to ? Good as a rookie but i dont think as someone on the main list.

I dont rate this guy as much as you all seem to. What am i missing here with this guy. And yes i watch all games.

He was rubbish this year after he came back from suspension.

Has a good kick. Doesnt get much of the ball. Doesnt defend that well.

My opinion. But spots are at a premium.


Voss wanted someone who can kick from the back 50 arc to midfields on the move. Given injury he didn't have anyone, Boyd was it. I'm not as bleak on him as you. Defenders don't need to be Stella they need to get a job done. Having said that, the pies paid unders for Huston and he's on record saying he wanted to come to Blues and Voss wanted him. Annoying. Boyd is no Huston at this point, another is Saad, that's fore sure


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Boyd is the best kick on our list in my opinion. He needs more of the ball - no point being a great kick of something you can't get hold of - but I think that's easier to coach than how to kick well under pressure.

Boyd is best 23 for me, I'm ignoring the 2nd half of the year as an injured HB.

Also got serious courage.

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