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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:12 pm 
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There is no way we trade 3 and Cerra for Petracca

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:14 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
By the way, anyone feeling a bit flat but excited at the same time.

Excited we are getting a good mid at 3. Hoping the Campo twins will be amazing.

But at the same time sad as we are losing depth. And having added anyone to contribute next year and stressing about injuries and not being able to cover them. Especially in the KPP area.

And then sad about having to see Collingwood and the Media parading Houston around like he is Judd or something. And the fact they have improved enough to challenge again next year with Perryman, Houston and possibly Membrey. Yes in the future they are possibly in trouble but they will challenge next year now.

Colllingwood has the knack to make things happen even without draft picks. They could hyperthetically take Cox and turn him into a 1st rounder for example.



i'm totally into houston and what he does and what he could have done for our team

... and the pies backline was already pretty good, and their ball movement excellent from D50 to F50. So they're going to be good. my bet is they're going to be better than us.

we needed to address some big needs for our D50 to forward movement, and we've not done that. need some defensive stoppage power too. saad can't do the defensive side, cowan isn't a ball mover and newman is 33 yrs old. mcgovern is mailing it in, playing some kind of flag footy out there and weiters can't do it all.

getting a rolls royce for the middle from the draft is really nice - but it doesn't put us over the top in 2025. and with the same coaching on hand, and basically the same list - next season is going to be hectic if we can't get out of third gear or suffer another big patch where we fall off (like end of seasons '2022 or '24)


would have loved to see a bit of actual list turnover this trade period. my gut says we needed it to compete.


"McGovern is mailing it in, playing some kind of flag footy" :lol: :lol:

Yeah, I was sitting behind the goals in the Hawthorn game. He was playing 10 metres off his man when Hawthorn had the ball. Weird.

I agree with your general point. Our defence looks a bit weak. Hence why it is important to keep Kemp. Maybe Zac Williams will improve ?? highly unlikely and get back to being a running defender?
He looks a bit banged up to me.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:29 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Arnhem blues wrote:
Have I got this right:
Owies 12 and 14 become pick 3
Then pick 3 and Cerra get us petracca

So 12,14, Owies and Cerra for Petracca.
Please tell me I am missing something (apart from some junk picks)

Or is the Petracca thing a rumour I can ignore?

You can ignore the Petracca thing.


Thank you!!


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 Post subject: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:50 pm 
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tommi wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
I really like Kennedy but he is surplus to needs.
Kemp is not at the moment. We need KPDs and he plays that role well in certain circumstances. I would trade him but only if the offer is too good to refuse - top 20.

I’m not buying the BF rumour about Petracca.

And, I was taken aback by Tommi’s post - never seen that angry side of you, Tommi. Only the hysterically funny side…


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OH….

Oh I’ve got another side 17th…!

Especially when it comes to SOS and Jo…
i was witness to some horrible behaviour with
supporters…!

Sad…!


kindest regards tommi






Having said that…I’m not having a great day…dealing
with building surveyors and permits…doing my head in…!


All good Tommi, you have so many credits in the bank that I just assumed something really bad must have happened to prompt your response.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:53 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Heavs wrote:
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Ben Silvagni bagging the club etc .... .


Oh, it's the OTHER brother that is in the spot of bother then?


I understand Ben is disappointed as Houston is a good family friend. Plus he wanted to come to us but Austin is looking to protect our future. Unlike Ben's old man who is more interested in his own legacy.


Yep. Now he deleted the tweet. After people including myself gave him a piece of our minds.

Good Post Bluevain. Someone with a level head. I dont get SOS. Was one of my favs growing up. But he thought he was bigger than the club always sooking for one reason or another.

Its a wonder he was welcome back to the club after dobbing on us with the salary cap scandal.

He had some good pics and some not so good. We needed to move on. And now he is angry as anything.

Even going after our players as a deliberate move.

He never looks happy this guy. Would ruin his sons and fathers clubs chances by trying to sabotage us.

I will bet 80% he will bid on the Camporeale twins out of spite. Lets hope they trade their second rounder as that is what they will do.

If he happens to bid in the 1st round call his bluff and let him have Ben - that will fix him.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:36 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
By the way, anyone feeling a bit flat but excited at the same time.

Excited we are getting a good mid at 3. Hoping the Campo twins will be amazing.

But at the same time sad as we are losing depth. And having added anyone to contribute next year and stressing about injuries and not being able to cover them. Especially in the KPP area.

And then sad about having to see Collingwood and the Media parading Houston around like he is Judd or something. And the fact they have improved enough to challenge again next year with Perryman, Houston and possibly Membrey. Yes in the future they are possibly in trouble but they will challenge next year now.

Colllingwood has the knack to make things happen even without draft picks. They could hyperthetically take Cox and turn him into a 1st rounder for example.



i'm totally into houston and what he does and what he could have done for our team

... and the pies backline was already pretty good, and their ball movement excellent from D50 to F50. So they're going to be good. my bet is they're going to be better than us.

we needed to address some big needs for our D50 to forward movement, and we've not done that. need some defensive stoppage power too. saad can't do the defensive side, cowan isn't a ball mover and newman is 33 yrs old. mcgovern is mailing it in, playing some kind of flag footy out there and weiters can't do it all.

getting a rolls royce for the middle from the draft is really nice - but it doesn't put us over the top in 2025. and with the same coaching on hand, and basically the same list - next season is going to be hectic if we can't get out of third gear or suffer another big patch where we fall off (like end of seasons '2022 or '24)


would have loved to see a bit of actual list turnover this trade period. my gut says we needed it to compete.


Newman is 31.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:15 pm 
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Austin and co must be supremely confident in what they'll get at Pick 3 considering there will be no first rounder next year.

Can't help but feel this was all about cap space and with TdK and Walsh needing contracts, we couldn't afford Houston.

We're top-heavy and I can't see how we compete next year with basically one more 18 y/o mid - albeit a good one (we hope).

I think Ben Camporeale will surprise, may play sooner than we think. But gee it could go pear shaped quickly and be a long season if C**wood get a run on. If they leap ahead of us and * in the flag stakes next year I will straight up retch.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:29 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
Austin and co must be supremely confident in what they'll get at Pick 3 considering there will be no first rounder next year.

Can't help but feel this was all about cap space and with TdK and Walsh needing contracts, we couldn't afford Houston.

We're top-heavy and I can't see how we compete next year with basically one more 18 y/o mid - albeit a good one (we hope).

I think Ben Camporeale will surprise, may play sooner than we think. But gee it could go pear shaped quickly and be a long season if C**wood get a run on. If they leap ahead of us and * in the flag stakes next year I will straight up retch.
I think it comes down to whether or not Doc can stay healthy. He's our key to exiting the back half with any sort of effectiveness.

If Doc can't stay on the park next year, we may wish we had gone for Houston.

But long term, I think we made the right call. Collingwood have sold the farm to have one last run at a flag, but once Tassie come in, they could be in for a long rebuild.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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I think 2025 is about getting more out of what we already have, rather than bringing in a big fish to improve us.

The strategy has been about trading our way to the pointy end of the draft (tick), making sure we have enough points for the Campo boys (tick), and retaining key players coming out of contract (Weitering = tick, TDK = we should have the cap space to get it done soon).

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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aboynamedsue wrote:
I think 2025 is about getting more out of what we already have, rather than bringing in a big fish to improve us.

The strategy has been about trading our way to the pointy end of the draft (tick), making sure we have enough points for the Campo boys (tick), and retaining key players coming out of contract (Weitering = tick, TDK = we should have the cap space to get it done soon).


We barely scored in a half of footy against the eventual premiers. We were lucky (or unlucky) to even be there. We're barking up the wrong tree if we think getting more out of our list will bridge the very, very wide gap. We overrate our list.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:07 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
We're top-heavy and I can't see how we compete next year with basically one more 18 y/o mid - albeit a good one (we hope).

Cerra will effectively be a new recruit if he gets over his hamstring problems. There will be natural improvement in the Hollands brothers, Cowan and I'm confident Moir can provide a much needed spark to our forward line. Our 'top 6' of Cripps, Walsh, Weiters, TDK, Charlie and Harry is pretty damn good. Three of those (Walsh, TDK and Charlie) were either missing or playing sore at the business end of the season and a bit more luck with injuries could make a big difference.

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 Post subject: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:09 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I think 2025 is about getting more out of what we already have, rather than bringing in a big fish to improve us.

The strategy has been about trading our way to the pointy end of the draft (tick), making sure we have enough points for the Campo boys (tick), and retaining key players coming out of contract (Weitering = tick, TDK = we should have the cap space to get it done soon).


We barely scored in a half of footy against the eventual premiers. We were lucky (or unlucky) to even be there. We're barking up the wrong tree if we think getting more out of our list will bridge the very, very wide gap. We overrate our list.


And Houston would be the difference?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Humpers wrote:
Cerra will effectively be a new recruit if he gets over his hamstring problems.


Kinda hard to take the club seriously if they don't send him to Germany to fix his problems.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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He's been to the Aspetar Orthopaedic and Sports Medicine Hospital in Doha.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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17th Premiership wrote:
robertbb wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I think 2025 is about getting more out of what we already have, rather than bringing in a big fish to improve us.

The strategy has been about trading our way to the pointy end of the draft (tick), making sure we have enough points for the Campo boys (tick), and retaining key players coming out of contract (Weitering = tick, TDK = we should have the cap space to get it done soon).


We barely scored in a half of footy against the eventual premiers. We were lucky (or unlucky) to even be there. We're barking up the wrong tree if we think getting more out of our list will bridge the very, very wide gap. We overrate our list.


And Houston would be the difference?


I vehemently did not want Houston. I wanted to take both 12 and 14 to the draft. The only player I'd have parted with either of those picks for (maybe even both) is SdK. I'd part with 3 for him. To think he coulda been ours but that arrogant so-and-so picked Philp. (am I getting dementia, that is what happened is it not?)

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Nah my bad. It was Brodie Kemp we traded in for. Picked just before SdK. We got Philp the pick after SdK.

So who would you rather running around the half back line now, SdK or Kemp? We lose TdK next year to the cats and that will be an even bigger fuckup. SOS still going for Kemp :lol: blokes unhinged.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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robertbb wrote:
Nah my bad. It was Brodie Kemp we traded in for. Picked just before SdK. We got Philp the pick after SdK.

So who would you rather running around the half back line now, SdK or Kemp? We lose TdK next year to the cats and that will be an even bigger fuckup. SOS still going for Kemp :lol: blokes unhinged.


The priority now is to work on TDK's new contract and try to get his brother over for 2026 and beyond. Piece pf cake.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Navy One wrote:
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Nah my bad. It was Brodie Kemp we traded in for. Picked just before SdK. We got Philp the pick after SdK.

So who would you rather running around the half back line now, SdK or Kemp? We lose TdK next year to the cats and that will be an even bigger fuckup. SOS still going for Kemp :lol: blokes unhinged.


The priority now is to work on TDK's new contract and try to get his brother over for 2026 and beyond. Piece pf cake.


Yeah Nav , top of the list priority is signing Tom and Sam ( Walsh ) and going all out getting the other Sam ( DK ) to us .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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DocSherrin III wrote:
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Cerra will effectively be a new recruit if he gets over his hamstring problems.


Kinda hard to take the club seriously if they don't send him to Germany to fix his problems.

He went to Qatar and according to an ITK on bigfooty came back feeling confident that his hamstring problems are behind him.

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He went to Qatar and according to an ITK on bigfooty came back feeling confident that his hamstring problems are behind him.


That’s all he learnt?

I could have told him that!

If they were in front of him they’d be quadriceps problems.

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