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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:57 am 
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tommi wrote:
Yup….

but i can somehow see Kennedy staying…!

what do you guys think…?

I’d be happy for him to stay…!


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I think he stays… I think it was a 98% certainty that he was staying as soon as he left the exit meeting.

I think he was given the honest truth, that there are no guarantees beyond his current contract - and the days of ‘give him one more, see if he turns it around’ are gone.

I think it’s reinvent yourself, or it’s over.

I hope he takes the advice. He’s got a good 3-5 years left in him. More, probably, as a forward… $2million big ones, left on the table.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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tommi wrote:
Yup….

but i can somehow see Kennedy staying…!

what do you guys think…?

I’d be happy for him to stay…!


kindest regards tommi

I think he stays… I think it was a 98% certainty that he was staying as soon as he left the exit meeting.

I think he was given the honest truth, that there are no guarantees beyond his current contract - and the days of ‘give him one more, see if he turns it around’ are gone.

I think it’s reinvent yourself, or it’s over.

I hope he takes the advice. He’s got a good 3-5 years left in him. More, probably, as a forward… $2million big ones, left on the table.


98%? I think it's closer to 50/50. He'll have potential suitors and we'll facilitate the right deal.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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People carrying on like other clubs knowing what Carlton's intentions are is a calamity :lol:
Any player manager worth their salt would already be sounding out other clubs for their players who are on the outer. List managers from other clubs would already know who is and isn't contracted and who doesn't have an offer on the table.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Wojee wrote:
People carrying on like other clubs knowing what Carlton's intentions are is a calamity :lol:
Any player manager worth their salt would already be sounding out other clubs for their players who are on the outer. List managers from other clubs would already know who is and isn't contracted and who doesn't have an offer on the table.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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We're not playing Poker, and trade 'week' is 10 days long.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Yes there are generally no surprises amongst the Recruitment teams during trade week. It has all been discussed well beforehand. I am guessing Austin knew prior to the start of the Trade period that Collingwood were in the box seat to land Houston.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:20 am 
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Wojee wrote:
People carrying on like other clubs knowing what Carlton's intentions are is a calamity :lol:
Any player manager worth their salt would already be sounding out other clubs for their players who are on the outer. List managers from other clubs would already know who is and isn't contracted and who doesn't have an offer on the table.

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 Post subject: List Management 2024
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Edmund and Whately are saying that Houston wants to go to Carlton. We should just give them Pick 12 and be done with it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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malbi wrote:
Edmund and Whately are saying that Houston wants to go to Carlton. We should just give them Pick 12 and be done with it.

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Or at least say we are giving it so we can still deal with GC to get pick 13 to use this year before they give it to the Pies.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:59 am 
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Agreed with sidefx and malbi.
Weitering & Cripps deserve to finish their career with some chance of finals success.after all they have done, let’s repay the faith.

Getting Houston is a better option for that aim than getting a player in a strong draft.

If you become a destination club such as Geelong then you might pick up players from this draft a few years later anyway

Brisbane has advantages we don’t get like the father-son (getting 2 number 1 picks for the price of a pack of chips) and the academy but one thing they did do well was pick up players like ah chee from trading.
What a player that bloke is. Getting players to fill a need from trading is important. Carlton have been a bit hit and miss on this. Cerra I consider a miss.

How about recruiting just Ben Camporeale this draft and getting Lucas next year?
Is that an option.

Nick Austin says he has faith in Durdin and Motlop over Owies. Weird. Maybe kicking goals isn’t important anymore?
Weird.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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What about Sam Weideman (197cm) with either a late 4th rounder or rookie spot if the cheats* don't re-sign him?

And tell him he will play in defence next year in the VFL until he is either required or can step it up.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/31/positional-change-floated-to-resurrect-bomber-forwards-career/


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Sidefx wrote:
What about Sam Weideman (197cm) with either a late 4th rounder or rookie spot if the cheats* don't re-sign him?

And tell him he will play in defence next year in the VFL until he is either required or can step it up.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/31/positional-change-floated-to-resurrect-bomber-forwards-career/
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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ahhhh no.....

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:08 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Wojee wrote:
People carrying on like other clubs knowing what Carlton's intentions are is a calamity :lol:
Any player manager worth their salt would already be sounding out other clubs for their players who are on the outer. List managers from other clubs would already know who is and isn't contracted and who doesn't have an offer on the table.


Yep , no secrets in the footy industry .


Ofcourse that's the case.

Player Managers talk to each other in good faith.

List Managers have their club secrets and Player Managers have theirs.

Eventually all the info is leaked and shared.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:37 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
What a player that bloke is. Getting players to fill a need from trading is important. Carlton have been a bit hit and miss on this. Cerra I consider a miss.

How about recruiting just Ben Camporeale this draft and getting Lucas next year?
Is that an option.

Nick Austin says he has faith in Durdin and Motlop over Owies. Weird. Maybe kicking goals isn’t important anymore?
Weird.


Are you suggesting take pick 12, use pick 31 for Ben, and elevate Boyd, and be happy with Haynes to fill a need, and that's it for this years Trade and Draft period?
If so, moving on Marchbank, Cuningham and Martin gives us the 12, 31 and Ben selections, Haynes and Boyd's spot is made by moving on who? Carroll, Owies are the only ones out of contract and Kennedy and Young have contracts and don't have to go anywhere.

If we don't take Lucas this year some other team will take him as a rookie, knowing he may be used as trade bait in the future, let alone he played good footy this year, and has scored quite well in the combine.

Did you think Cerra was a good players when he was at Freo?
Did you think Cerra was a good player in his first year, 2022 when he played 18 games at Carlton? 10th in BnF
Did you think Cerra was a good players in his 2nd year, 2023, when he played 22 games at Carlton? 4th in our BnF

Did you write off Charlie when he did his knee?
Did you write off Crippa when he had his busted back in 2018 and King publicly wrote him off as a broken down player?
Did you write off Walshy after he first did his back?

Have you written off Cerra at 25yo because he only played 13 games this year?

I find it weird some posters have written off Cerra, the player, because of ONE disrupted year as a result of bad fitness management. Cerra looked slower than usual when he prematurely was selected, but he's not a slow midfielder because of this year's showing. He was our quickest mid pre 2024. Which mid have we got whose quicker than Cerra?

Aussie rules is a tough game. Injuries happen and players come back from them. You don't write off players who have been ravaged by soft tissue injury management, or lack of. You change the regime who are responsible for the soft tissue injuries.

I bet Cerra is a revelation for you next year, and he'll be back to his pre 2024 form as a result of the Dubai trip to get his hamstrings right. Like other footballers who've gone to Dubai for treatment, there's plenty of reason to be optimistic for Cerra to make a full recovery. Charlie was never going to be the same...and won 2 Coleman's, ditto Crippa the wins 2 Browlows, then Walshy wins Ayres medal after being written off by some Posters.

As for small forwards: Austin was clear Williams was going to train with forwards this preseason for the first time. Maybe Austin have taken into consideration Durdin and Motlop have had a severely injury interupted year? Is that weird? They're only 21yo and 22yo. Unless Fre want to pay us overs for Motts, I can't see the reason. Owies was our lead tackler 3 and 4 years ago and has dropped off significantly. We need small forwards to put on pressure. Owies has been the lead up 3rd forward. SOS is back for that role next year. Where would Owies fit in next year, and don't tell me as a pressure forward, because he failed in that area this year and last year. Yes I know he kicked 30 goals, but we didnt get further than 8th. ie we went backwards this year.

I'd love to see your preferred Forward line for 2024, with SOS back, and Williams playing forward...oh yeah...Austin explained the need to make a path for developing players who've showed some good signs too, like Moir.

Austin has calmly made his case for the small forwards. Owies is the only one out of contract, and I doubt if Owies 28yo next year is retained, and Fantasia who will be 30yo wont be on our list beyond 2025.

We need to make list spots. Its that simple. I'm all for it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 2:44 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
What about Sam Weideman (197cm) with either a late 4th rounder or rookie spot if the cheats* don't re-sign him?

And tell him he will play in defence next year in the VFL until he is either required or can step it up.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/08/31/positional-change-floated-to-resurrect-bomber-forwards-career/
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I know Dees fans were glad to see the back of him. They are spewing they took Weideman before Harry and Charlie. Really weak one on one.

No thanks. Keep Young.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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If Walsh and Cerra get over there injuries they will be our best recruits in " 25 .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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bondiblue wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
What a player that bloke is. Getting players to fill a need from trading is important. Carlton have been a bit hit and miss on this. Cerra I consider a miss.

How about recruiting just Ben Camporeale this draft and getting Lucas next year?
Is that an option.

Nick Austin says he has faith in Durdin and Motlop over Owies. Weird. Maybe kicking goals isn’t important anymore?
Weird.


Are you suggesting take pick 12, use pick 31 for Ben, and elevate Boyd, and be happy with Haynes to fill a need, and that's it for this years Trade and Draft period?
If so, moving on Marchbank, Cuningham and Martin gives us the 12, 31 and Ben selections, Haynes and Boyd's spot is made by moving on who? Carroll, Owies are the only ones out of contract and Kennedy and Young have contracts and don't have to go anywhere.

If we don't take Lucas this year some other team will take him as a rookie, knowing he may be used as trade bait in the future, let alone he played good footy this year, and has scored quite well in the combine.

Did you think Cerra was a good players when he was at Freo?
Did you think Cerra was a good player in his first year, 2022 when he played 18 games at Carlton? 10th in BnF
Did you think Cerra was a good players in his 2nd year, 2023, when he played 22 games at Carlton? 4th in our BnF

Have you written off Cerra at 25yo because he only played 13 games this year?

I find it weird some posters have written off Cerra, the player, because of ONE disrupted year as a result of bad fitness management. Cerra looked slower than usual when he prematurely was selected, but he's not a slow midfielder because of this year's showing. He was our quickest mid pre 2024. Which mid have we got whose quicker than Cerra?

Aussie rules is a tough game. Injuries happen and players come back from them. You don't write off players who have been ravaged by soft tissue injury management, or lack of. You change the regime who are responsible for the soft tissue

As for small forwards: Austin was clear Williams was going to train with forwards this preseason for the first time. Maybe Austin have taken into consideration Durdin and Motlop have had a severely injury interupted year? Is that weird? They're only 21yo and 22yo. Unless Fre want to pay us overs for Motts, I can't see the reason. Owies was our lead tackler 3 and 4 years ago and has dropped off significantly. We need small forwards to put on pressure. Owies has been the lead up 3rd forward. SOS is back for that role next year. Where would Owies fit in next year, and don't tell me as a pressure forward, because he failed in that area this year and last year. Yes I know he kicked 30 goals, but we didnt get further than 8th. ie we went backwards this year.

I'd love to see your preferred Forward line for 2024, with SOS back, and Williams playing forward...oh yeah...Austin explained the need to make a path for developing players who've showed some good signs too, like Moir.

Austin has calmly made his case for the small forwards. Owies is the only one out of contract, and I doubt if Owies 28yo next year is retained, and Fantasia who will be 30yo wont be on our list beyond 2025.

We need to make list spots. Its that simple. I'm all for it.


You make some fair points about injuries, yet if Cerra is really going to repay the investment in him he has to beat/rival Cripps and Walsh for best on ground status in a few more matches in a season.
Being just a distant 3rd banana doesn’t do it for me. I want to see more than 30 possessions in winning teams… then you’re making the opposition take notice. Sorry if that is asking too much of him.

Re: forwards. I’m sorry, but I differ to you on this one. Durdin I don’t rate highly for various reasons.

Motlop might develop. Worth retaining.

Re:Fantasia … I don’t rate his 2024 output at all. Sorry. If he improves in 2025, congrats. I’ll be the first to shine his boots.

Re: Silvagni had a lot of 2023 as a lead up forward. Had time at full forward. A fair enough time to kick a few bags. Yes I know he had ruck duties as well. He kicked 14. Owies kicked 27.
Goals matter in my opinion. They both had time in the forward line, marks, tackles similar.. goals differ.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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https://apple.news/ALFjRI7rJRb2A5v68uE6Wzg

According to this article Owies is asking for $700K - $800K


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2024
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Jez1966 wrote:
https://apple.news/ALFjRI7rJRb2A5v68uE6Wzg

According to this article Owies is asking for $700K - $800K


Wow. Makes a little more sense why we haven't resigned him now. That would make him one of the highest paid small forwards in the league

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