They chose to stick with the head coach but there was a change... line coaches and game plan, and they recruited players to suit the new plan.

We're not going to sakc Voss... but we all want to see a change. What we're currently doing is not sustainable.

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For next year to be any better we need a few of the following to occur:

(1) Better injury run. Even if we just go at the AFL average that’s a seismic improvement on this year and the past however many. Russell out and Inness in is already a good first step. The removal of Martin, Marchbank, Cuningham and S Durdin will be a good second step in the coming weeks.

(2) Bring in some quick players. We’re slow across every line. Especially need a quick midfielder with some explosiveness. These guys don’t grow on trees but we sure as hell shouldn’t be drafting or recruiting any more slow blokes.

(3) Selection integrity. Play blokes on form, not reputation. The management of Cerra is possibly the best case in point. Rushed back into the seniors on multiple occasions for no reward. We dropped Hewett to accomodate this bloke with 8 rounds to go and then dumped Lord for the final for him to have 17 touches. Doc being rushed back another example. We need hungry blokes who will tackle, chase, pressure and get around the ground, regardless of name.

I'm only 47 but reckon there's a fair chance the one I saw at 18 was my last. We have an 18 team comp, soon to be 19, with equalisation that means a flag every 19 years is par. But it's not really equal, because the AFL favours its expansion projects, and picks and chooses when to rescue struggling clubs; then you have free agency, which entrenches the advantage of the clubs that established winning cultures. Even then, it's possible for the unloved to have their turn - Richmond the obvious example, Melbourne fortunate to time their run when COVID plonked a giant asterisk over everything - but even if you do a lot right, who knows when the AFL is going to rewrite the rules because it wants bigger scores or smaller lawsuits. One false or unlucky step and you've missed your turn, and 19 years becomes 38 or 57. Us, Saints, *, GCS, Norf... does anyone really believe we'll win one in the next few decades? We might, but I won't be surprised if we don't.

But, what can you do... support with all you've got, ultimately it's out of your control. Does it matter? I finally saw Liverpool win the EPL after a 30 year drought. It was nice - actually more prolonged than an AFL flag because they had the title in the bag with months to spare - but the next day all my problems were still waiting there for me. You've got to just enjoy the ride and not hang everything on the grand prize.

Agree, but can't we rebuild on the run like the good clubs do? Do we really have to go through this process of all chips in til we're done then start again

Or could we make a tough call on some quality & get into the top of the draft without having to bottom out?



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I posted this in another thread, I agree that quick players will be an improvement but we don’t need to go crazy drafting for “messiahs”, the hawks didn’t.

It wouldn’t matter if we had Harley Reid in our midfield instead of Cerra, we still would have lost with the game plan and desire we took into the final.

We need to rebuild our game plan around speed, handball chains and run, and ditch the “kick long down the wing” game plan.

Although it helps, you don’t have to have quickest runners to do this, you just need courage, dare, quick thinking and fast execution. We can do this with our current list and add players over the next few years organically. We don’t need to panic and trade Harry for Harley, or anything similarly stupid. Judd didn’t make a big enough difference and Harley, or Butters, or any other big name fast midfielder won’t either.

So two things I want to see in 2025 are less injuries (and therefore more continuity in our selected team) and a change to a game plan based on speed and dare.

i think that style of play, the addition of a few fast mids/ and electric small forward and i'd be pretty happy and excited for '25. i'm even happy to see young go around another season to see if he can build on the last 3 games of '24 he had.

... actually, if we got that i'd be elated. i don't have confidence this coaching staff can put ego aside and adapt and change and throw out all of the things that don't work.

time will tell

We need to get more youth in. Extroverts. Little smart Alecs - that are good and energetic.

We just dont play the youth. We love big names, and older guys thinking they are a safe bet.

We need to take more risks.

I think scallywags are going to be the next trend in the AFL.

Our boys dont hurt enough. They just talk the talk. So again we are saying hopefully what happened will make us hungry next year. Ummmmm i thought that this year we would be hungry after losing a prelim last year.

But we just keep on talking. And the guys that talk are the main culprits too. Ie Walsh. He basically said that not everyone was good enough this year, but wont mention the reasons. Dude you were unfortunately one of them.

The midfield was putrid, it was all left to Cripps again. And the backline suffered because of it.

If i had to start somewhere, i think the midfield is the domino effect to everything. A strong midfield is the main engine for a strong team.

We were crap in the midfield and stoppages this year.

And Pitto - please please trade this guy. He is really bad and doesnt offer much. TDK on one leg nearly turned the game, if it wasn’t too far gone when he came on.

And we need to sign TDK for a very long time.

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Whatever you do, STOP Recruiting Recycled Rubbish Players for God's Sake. We been doing that for 21 years and counting. If you want to get a free Agent with no costs involved, Go for it but do not ever give up a Draft pick, especially when its 1st or 2nd for a Recycled hack.


We did get some Quality players. Cerra, Williams, Martin & McGovern are all decent players and above average, Yet their original clubs were happy to let go of them. Of course they knew they were injury prone & our medical staff failed to see that. Poor Management and Poor Medical staff we have. They keep making the same mistakes year after year!

hard to argue with any of this. and considering all assistant coaches are contracted in 2025, it's very real there'll be no more changes off the field.

which leaves 2025, the absolute possibility we dish up more of the same crap. no good.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/09/08/buckleys-tough-assessment-of-carltons-season-and-the-changes-they-must-make/

I want to see an extra running player added to the formula (playing 23). More emphasis on selecting a team and playing a system that allows us to apply pressure for longer. That will come at the expense of taking contested marks but it is the only way forward. Jsos will help there. Bring in some youth to give us a buzz. We are so boring at the moment.

I cant see us moving forward if we play the same system again... even if we had zero injuries.

We need a skinny dashing Wilmot type.

a darcy jones type from giants would be sensational. even tho that kid is a unicorn.

set the all time highest agility score at the combine.

He is great. Opens the whole game up for GWS.

I love what Darcy brings to the GWS.

Super quick and small, but sticks a tackle, and is tough.

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he's probs my fave player to watch not in a carlton jersey. him or heeney.

I was curious all Saturday night, and today, to find out how your son went with his fight in Surfers?

Heeney has been my fave player outside Carlton from the minute he was drafted. Freak in the Academy.

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his fight was cancelled mate. the other kid pulled out after the weigh in. they musn't have like what they saw. my boy was gutted, it was on a pro undercard, so all the exposure under the bright lights was exciting for him.



heeney does it all, hey. i thought walsh would take a similar carrer path to heeney, but then he did his back.

Hey Braithy , does your son do boxing or Mai Tai kickboxing ? reason I ask is my son in law used to do a lot of kick boxing . Used to go to all his fights in the big venues . When you are ringside you see up close how brutal it is . Good luck to your kid . Must be a tough cookie . Chip off the old block perhaps ?

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he's a boxer mick! he's only been doing it for 6 mths and only had 2 fights and won them both, but he's been sparring guys and kids who've been doing it for 1-2 years or more and holding his own. he lives for it & wants to go pro, so we'll see.

it is brutal, but the idea is not to get hit. i had 7 amateur fights 20 years ago, and loved it before i broke my hand really badly, so i'm not surprised he's taken to it like he has.

how good are the fights to watch! it's always a great night out!

Ah , the truth comes out . He is a chip off the old block . Yes , thoroughly enjoyed going to the fights to support my son in law . Funny , felt a lot safer sitting in a crowd at the fights than I do at a footy match . Seems to be an etiquette amongst the fight crowd , a sort of mutual respect thing . Good eggs really .

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