yes to all of this. yes in capital letters!

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/sea ... 5k8qz.html

Only four teams – the bottom three and Essendon* – conceded more points in 2024. But they were top four overall for points scored.

In their final nine games, they conceded more than 100 points against GWS, Western Bulldogs and the Hawks, and 99 points to the Lions in the final, laying bare their inability to defend the best, while their defensive 50 stoppages were the worst in the competition all season.

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Sad but true

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Apparently the players loved Teague too, didn't want him sacked. Rats was a real players coach, was loved. Make what you will of that.

You could tell with Teague that he'd lost the players tho.
I don't get that vibe with Voss.

This times 1000.

If we don’t rebuild our game plan around speed, handball chains and run, and ditch the “kick long down the wing” game plan over the off season we will never succeed.

Although it helps, you don’t have to have quickest runners to do this, you just need courage, dare, quick thinking and fast execution. We can do this with our current list and build from there.

In retrospect, I don’t think it was the six changes, it was the outdated game plan to kick long to a contest combined with TDK (who is essential to that game plan) as sub. Also the players weren’t switched on, they were just happy to fall into the finals, and it showed.

The game was lost well before we took the field. In hindsight missing finals may have been a blessing, although I’m still happier we made the 8 than miss. Unfortunately, the reality of how we’ve handled the season blew up in our faces in the most extreme and ill timed manner possible last night.

Voss has the best winning % since Parkin - there’s something there. However, the pressure meter is red-hot for 2025.

For what it promised and what we were in actual position to deliver, 2024 has to be viewed as an utter failure.

If we are serious about legitimately contending, imo Cook has to be given full licence to be ruthless with ALL roles in the football department. Simply not up to standard.

Serious questions marks on our coaching group and the head coach. Has this coaching group even once outcoached an opposition? Do we truly have a sustainable modern style that will win when it counts? Have we ever made in game adjustments as early as required and that worked? How is team selection? Player development? Do we even try and play a style that maximises the strengths of our key personnel? Did we ever improve on obvious weaknesses and shortcomings?

The club should not overestimate the patience of the rusted on. Frankly they are lucky to still have us and I daresay many, like me, will not stand for the ineptitude delivered in the back half of this year.

Significant change required otherwise we won’t see finals again for a long time.

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I agree but disagree. Running speed is now paramount as when you do not have the ball speed enables you to close space more quickly hence putting pressure on the ball carrier. The longer the opposition has to dispose of it the more precise their ball delivery/execution. It also enables a player to take opponents on eg Holmes from Geelong on Thursday night.

I’m not saying speed isn’t required, my point is that we can’t just turnover the entire list in one go. We need to inject speed with a few players, and I am not talking about speed messiahs like Trac, Smith or Butters. Just good average players who have speed.

A couple of speedy players plus a speedy game plan will make the entire team look fast.

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As fantasy coaches, we feared Alex Cincotta weekly. He conceded more than 15 disposals to his direct opponent just once (18 vs Touk Miller) in 13 defensive jobs.

Interesting call from the Blues.

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criminal to leave him out. criminal to risk tdk.

and the club and voss don't seem keen on accountability.

don't seem keen on accountability?

would love to know the facts behind that call

So would I . It was just a few weeks back when Voss stated than Cinc was the first one picked . Massive turnaround . What caused him to suddenly lose faith in a bloke that was " first picked ".

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Voss in his press conferences did not even seem mildly interested in owning anything after saturday night. espesh the selections, or keeping a half forward behind the ball in the back half which never gave us a chance to clear the ball from our D50. we were dead men walking into this final.

then he calls it a win bcos the 6 players that came into the team "got thru the game ok".

i was pretty angry watching it, and looking at his confused face, and lack of accountability from that result and his decisions, made me even angrier.

perspective is everything isn't it

Vossy was no different from most of his press conferences. im a fan, yet believe he can be like a smooth politician at times.

however, that doesn't lead to me believing he isn't accountable. perhaps you didn't watch him play. the guy would be ripping himself apart while challenging himself to improve.

then again that is my story and not fact......perhaps like your story that he doesn't seem keen on accountability..

what I would like from Vossy and the club at some point is an understanding of what they have learned and what steps are being taken to remedy the ship.

I was a fan of Voss until Sat night
Dropping Cincotta
Playing Docherty
Dropping Binns Moir and Lord
Playing TDK as the sub bringing him when it was too late and subbing off Kennedy whilst Motlop Fantasia and Durdin stayed on the ground
Team selection morality for what of a better word this year
Put individuals before team is a recipe for disaster in team sports
Clearly there are issues
I won’t listen to what the club says because they sugar coat everything
And even though we arnt good enough and had a pile of injuries it is safe to say our coaching staff lost the plot last week
There is more of me now that doesn’t give a shit about it because of our last 25 years of general shit
Part of me cares
That’s why I’m on my phone now
I’m sure I am not on my Pat Malone when it comes to this feeling

this is really necessary, but i don't think they'll ever give it to us. they seem more amped up taking our money and sending us marketing emails, than giving us anything by the way of substance & accountability.


i think you're right. the loss would be eating at him and boring a hole right thru his soul for the next 5 months. which is good. i would have loved to see him in his presser own it. say what he got wrong, rather then defer to the players as inconsistent. maybe talk about how the inclusions of so many guys backfired, bcos we started off the pace and by the time we were up to speed they had 60 on us and the game was over.


essentially voss and his team delivered the worst performance possibly in our history (considering it was an elim final) and he just glossed over it in the presser with his clever turn of phrase and politic speak.

it absolutely pisstyfied me.

Well said keogh...and I'd say 90% of the Carlton family would endorse everything you wrote
My mates and I would've had pretty much the EXACT conversation after the game as we were drowning our sorrows Sat night

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