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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:59 am 
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Rod Ashman

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Mentioned the word "consistency" in his press conference numerous times. So during the year he dropped Hewett who is our most consistent player. He sends strange messages to his players.


Agree, should not have been dropped but Hewitt is not our most consistent player. It is Cripps by a fair margin to the rest.

Part of our issues are due to a one paced midfield.

Can't have both Kennedy and Hewitt in your top 4 midfielders. They should be part of the support cast. Desperately need to find another 1 - 2 dynamic midfielders with pace and good kicking skills. Hopefully, this year was an aberration for Cerra.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:02 am 
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the most frustrating bit is, we can play. down 60 in an elim final, and players started running, and handball chains and going straight thru the middle. and we outscore them 71-39 playing with dare and dash.


the rank conservatism from voss boils my piss. he gets eilijah off a forward flank, and plays him goalside behind the ball. every single time we tried to move the ball from our D50, it was cut off. why? bcos lions had the extra man, bcos elijah was playing this super conservative role behind the ball.

old birdballs never gave us a chance with that set up.

won 5 in a row, 1.5 games clear in second spot. we'd gone 9-1 with one ruck. and then the rot set in, with the old pittonet and tdk duo. two flat out rucks, one who can't play forward very well and the other, not at all.

he needs to abandon his long bombs to contest, his glacial ball movement from the D50 and he needs to grow a set and play modern footy. he needs to draft for modern footy - the 2000's are over. you can't bludgeon teams to death with big bodies anymore, Michael. they'll run circles around you on the outside if you try.

2024 could have been so much more.


Agree with all of that.

And add in garbage team selection.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:04 am 
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Voss was asked in the presser if 6 changes was too much... his response, "nah! if you look at the individuals, they all got through the game OK"

They were OK in a final... and that's OK for the MC and coaches?

I would've liked to hear a 'maybe we [REDACTED] up a little', but he always seems to put it all back on the players.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:11 am 
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Ran into a certain high profile legend in the lounge just now at Brisbane airport and they tried very very hard not to say that Voss has NFI and also remarked how confused the players are.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:11 am 
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i'm watching his presser now. he's pretty much full of shit.

gaslighting bullshit about, "cultivating winning behaviours" ...


glowing on doc and what he did? he was slow and outrun and outbodied and just bombed it long under duress for 95% of the night. he was beaten by his direct man all night long. are we even watching the same game, as what voss is?

this is the problem for 2025, i have. voss seems arrogant and clueless and can't be honest with where some players are actually at, and that his gameplan doesn't stand up. 2025 will be another wasted year of cripps and the "generational spine" if we maintain this course.


sidenote: someone mentioned in the game thread. Sam Mitchell built the hawks on the midfield, and speed all over the ground. Voss (and those before him) built us on a spine, and lumbering, big bodies.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:16 am 
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"Got through the game OK", wow, standards!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:20 am 
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Sam Mitchell was quoted as saying he always wanted to be a coach even as a kid more than being a player. He obviously has the smarts, because he’s cleared out his list, with everyone thinking the Hawks will be bottom dwellers for years before they come up. And look at them now.

I don’t even know who half of their players are. I don’t think many of them are world beaters, but they have two things, speed and system. And obviously now extreme confidence.

I was in the UK last week and was watching Tottenham vs Newcastle. I don’t know much about the EPL but one of my English mates said one of the Tottenham players who scored was a former Olympic sprinter and that they had recruited him specifically because of this.

I know the old argument is athlete vs footballer, but in the modern game speed and outside run and overlap IS king, especially when it’s combined with a great system of ball movement that the young hawks seem to have picked up on rather quickly. Kudos to Sam Mitchell


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:21 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:31 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
Get Gout Gout!


1-2 weeks (Gout).


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:10 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:47 am 
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Vossy ..... you fk'd up big time this weekend
Own it ......

Even Scott had the balls not to give Dyson Heppell a home farewell game in Melbourne. No favourites .... play the best.

You played guys last night that didn't deserve to be there ..... Your fault Voss. You and the MC.
What a waste of a year.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:07 am 
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He and the rest of the coaches have to own their short comings over the pre season or we’re in for more pain next year. Only play 1 ruck and it’s TDK unless he’s not fit and then it’s Pitto. Inject some speed into the midfield. Stop playing favourites going for the name over the output - eg Doc over Cincotta and Cerra over Lord last night. Got to be more open minded around changing up the personnel and structures. An emphatically bad coaching display last night that needs to be fixed.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:45 am 
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Great lessons to be learnt from a hawthorn side that arguably doesn’t have the ready talent that we do. They maximise what they have and play with dare


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:46 am 
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Agree, we need to go back to roles and systems over names, and who is available and in form.
6 changes is too many at any time of year let alone an EF, especially when it's at the expense of players who deserved it.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:57 am 
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missnaut wrote:
Agree, we need to go back to roles and systems over names, and who is available and in form.
6 changes is too many at any time of year let alone an EF, especially when it's at the expense of players who deserved it.



6 changes reeks of a coach who doesn't trust his system, but rather, relies on individual performance.


individual performance stopped winning flags in the 90's...


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 1:11 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
missnaut wrote:
Agree, we need to go back to roles and systems over names, and who is available and in form.
6 changes is too many at any time of year let alone an EF, especially when it's at the expense of players who deserved it.



6 changes reeks of a coach who doesn't trust his system, but rather, relies on individual performance.


individual performance stopped winning flags in the 90's...
Roles are ok but you still have to have your best out there.
Pies lost 4 or 5 players supposedly every knows their role at Collingwood they struggled and dropped games.
Swans lost 6 of 7 when they lost 3 to 4 players.
Port couldn't cope with losing 2 defenders
Geelong lost Danger and Hawkins and dropped 4 to 5
Brisbane struggled early in the year with players missing
GWS were missing Kelly and Cogs and went through a slump
Saints lost heaps
Tigers lost heaps
West Coast lost heaps

To get any where near what we did is a minor miracle when you look at what affect injuries had on other teams


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 1:28 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
missnaut wrote:
Agree, we need to go back to roles and systems over names, and who is available and in form.
6 changes is too many at any time of year let alone an EF, especially when it's at the expense of players who deserved it.



6 changes reeks of a coach who doesn't trust his system, but rather, relies on individual performance.


individual performance stopped winning flags in the 90's...
Roles are ok but you still have to have your best out there.
Pies lost 4 or 5 players supposedly every knows their role at Collingwood they struggled and dropped games.
Swans lost 6 of 7 when they lost 3 to 4 players.
Port couldn't cope with losing 2 defenders
Geelong lost Danger and Hawkins and dropped 4 to 5
Brisbane struggled early in the year with players missing
GWS were missing Kelly and Cogs and went through a slump
Saints lost heaps
Tigers lost heaps
West Coast lost heaps

To get any where near what we did is a minor miracle when you look at what affect injuries had on other teams


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Yes , good effort to make the finals . Trouble is that first half left a bitter taste . I reckon the first half destroyed all the positives of "24 .

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 1:37 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
missnaut wrote:
Agree, we need to go back to roles and systems over names, and who is available and in form.
6 changes is too many at any time of year let alone an EF, especially when it's at the expense of players who deserved it.



6 changes reeks of a coach who doesn't trust his system, but rather, relies on individual performance.


individual performance stopped winning flags in the 90's...
Roles are ok but you still have to have your best out there.
Pies lost 4 or 5 players supposedly every knows their role at Collingwood they struggled and dropped games.
Swans lost 6 of 7 when they lost 3 to 4 players.
Port couldn't cope with losing 2 defenders
Geelong lost Danger and Hawkins and dropped 4 to 5
Brisbane struggled early in the year with players missing
GWS were missing Kelly and Cogs and went through a slump
Saints lost heaps
Tigers lost heaps
West Coast lost heaps

To get any where near what we did is a minor miracle when you look at what affect injuries had on other teams


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I agree, you do need as many of your best out there and some players just are less replaceable than others.


We were as bad as Richmond in terms of injury toll and they finished last.
We had only 3 players who played every single game this year inc the final. We got 11 games out of Martin/Marchbank/Cunningham. Etc.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 1:42 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
missnaut wrote:
Agree, we need to go back to roles and systems over names, and who is available and in form.
6 changes is too many at any time of year let alone an EF, especially when it's at the expense of players who deserved it.



6 changes reeks of a coach who doesn't trust his system, but rather, relies on individual performance.


individual performance stopped winning flags in the 90's...
Roles are ok but you still have to have your best out there.
Pies lost 4 or 5 players supposedly every knows their role at Collingwood they struggled and dropped games.
Swans lost 6 of 7 when they lost 3 to 4 players.
Port couldn't cope with losing 2 defenders
Geelong lost Danger and Hawkins and dropped 4 to 5
Brisbane struggled early in the year with players missing
GWS were missing Kelly and Cogs and went through a slump
Saints lost heaps
Tigers lost heaps
West Coast lost heaps

To get any where near what we did is a minor miracle when you look at what affect injuries had on other teams


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Or that West Coast won the 2018 flag with 6 of their best out. Have a good system and others blend in. That has been proven many times. Many a side has had a couple out and done very well. A good side should survive a couple out. We had more than a few but you can't play underdone, out of form players in a final. History has been very big on that.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 3:39 pm 
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Have we got to the stage where we start mocking the expressions he has used in his time at carlton?

I dont mind Voss but think we might have missed his moment. We had a good 25 game period but it was out of sync with the 25 game good period to win a flag. Too banged up last finals series.
Building a team in his and Crippa's image of contest football beasts has proven to be unsustainable and probably not a great idea due to the lack of leg speed and elite skills. Time to change the MO and it will mean trading out the odd favourite.


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