Hawks and Cats are the template for modern football

Fast and skilful movement of the ball

We have spent 10 years building a team that plays stagnated football. We are too slow with the ball.

Will remain middle of the road for awhile yet

So depressing

i think we have built a team around a specific game plan that has become outdated very quickly from about halfway through 2022

i cant help but think we have some quick players on the list, but the game plan is to slow it down and cause stoppages, which negates any speed we may have

we could have drafted / traded for speed, but we chose not to, so yes, we have built that team, but it is for the coaches game plan

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can't disagree with any of this.

it's a sinking feeling watching the speed on the ball the hawks (and cats, giants & swans) apply, and watching all those hawks small forwards lock in the ball and make you defend until you can't anymore and turn it over and concede.

another really simple thing the hawks do is spread to all corners of the ground, and force the oppo to run. we could do the same, but we don't have that system and mindset.

we mark it, and our go-to is to slow it down and allow lumbering rucks to head down field or key forwards to sprint up the flanks to the contest. by that time the defense has reset and any afl team that's allowed to reset, will be hard to break down - as we've proven this year barely winning a game since june.

It's simple.

They can run.

They can kick.

They work hard

Everything else is window dressing. They are elite.

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It’s just not about leg speed

They open up play with their kicking ability. Scrimshaw is a perfect example.

They change angles, kick to the other side etc

All about getting the right mix of players and game plan right

We play plodding football once our clearance game is found out

It is so stark that Voss really needs to adjust as it’s embarrassing that our rebuild has taken so much longer than other teams

Winning breeds confidence. We have the players to change angles and hit the kicks IMHO. The difference is we don't have the players there to kick to. When you lose multiple games, you tend to play safe footy. Don't run to space anticipating your team mate winning the ball because you don't expect him to. There's a fine line between being proactive and downhill skiing. That line is a lot easier to walk when you're playing with belief.

Hopefully with conditioned, senior players returning to the team, we'll gain the belief to play attacking football.
We need our mojo back quickly. The past 5 games we've gone from the best scoring team in the AFL to the 2nd worst but most importantly, the arse has fallen out of our turnover game, where Hawthorns has gone through the roof. Easily best in the AFL by a fair margin. We had the best turnover game in the AFL for a large portion of the season so it can't be that we don't have the personnel.
We just need the hunger, confidence and overall mindset back to implement it. Fast.

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Yeah , confidence can do wonders . Its above the shoulders and if things fall into place confidence can return very quickly ......................... speaking of Scrimshaw I reckon that kid Trevaglia is a cross between him and Weddle . Hope we pick him ........................ and I would have a crack at Seamus Mitchell from the Hawks . An excellent accumulating small running defender in the Jordan Boyd mould . A real modern day sort of player . For some reason he hasn't been able to cement his place in there side .

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i'm with you BV ... we need to find it fast. my worry is we haven't picked the personal to really tap into our turnover game, rather we're going into this game hoping to play slow and bludgeon them at the coalface. but the lions are 2nd in contest, behind us. they're not the team you're going to bludgeon. the hawks might be though.


sidenote: i was shocked last night when the graphic came up. since rnd 11 Hawks are the #1 scoring and #1 defensive team in the league. and on the numbers, daylight is second. that's a rich vein of form, and it's come from a patchwork quilt of kids and players from other clubs. what mitchell has built in 2 seasons, is astonishing.

he's coach of the year imo...

By some distance.

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Congratulations CK95

Agree. What the Hawks have done well is targeted players for need and played them.

I tend to think we just scatter recruit what we think is best available and play them in our positions. Or not play them.

Case in point we could have taken McMahon or a KPP in the mid season draft but we went the midfielder. Luckily for us Lord looks like a good prospect, but McMahon would have been handy as well and fills a need for a medium forward we lack.

We also recruit players and play them out of position and wait for them to learn it. Meanwhile the player looks the confidence they had in the U18’s.

We need to be solid this year. We need a KPP back. Medium forward. And a good quick midfielder.

No more of these half back running backs. That’s all we seem to recruit.

a really electric small forward would be grand too! if we let owies go, we'll need maybe even two.

i miss eddie so much.

how many years has this club recruited slow players and it did not work watching sides going coast to coast kicking easy goals . So for us to improve in 25 we need to add inject some speed (players) into the side not f....k Nick haynes at the age of 32.

New fitness guru, check
New coaching staff, please
But also I reckon it may be time to gut the team, due to the ticking clock before Tasmania compromises our ability to rebuild.
Trade everyone with decent currency for picks or players under 23 who have shown they have what it takes.
Yes, I include Cripps, Weiters and TDK. @#$%&! it, we need to see which way the wind is blowing. The AFL doesn't want contested footy, it wants speed and high scores. So recruit for speed and kicking skills. Forget big bodies. Height is OK, but make sure they're more Usain Bolt than, well, Marc Pittonet.

If we go through this offseason and all we do is add a kid, campo’s runts and maybe Nick Haynes then next year is going to be horrendous and very little to get excited about.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Who needs to lift to improve our list?
How do we become a Geelong?
Does the recruitment team need to improve its strategy?
Or do Voss and Lloyd need to listen to new ideas?

We need to be a bit more ruthless this year.

I would like to see at least 3 of these 4 out
- Marchbank
- Cunningham
- Martin
- Akuei

Mirkov I'm not sure

If we can keep owies at a decent price then I think we should.

If we could somehow engineer trades for Williams and Young I wouldn't be against that

My worry is Marchbank Martin Carroll and Martin will go as they should and we will go to the draft and not trade in any one good.
So the same group will front up next year.

We need to bring in experience preferably with leg speed and foot skills

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Hawthorn have done so well with D'Ambrosio from the cheats and the second round pick Connor MacDonald (amongst others).....players with leg speed, skill and smarts who can get out the back and hit targets inside 50.

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