With the change of rules re NGA, we might keep Akueii. We need a another genuine ruck option. O'Keefe has year to go before he's ready. I don't think Mirkov will make it.

Matt Carroll is an interesting one as a first year rookie. Easy to dispose. Easy to keep. Great raps on the kid, but OP impacted his year.

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Good point, but McMahon seems to have height and marking as his weapons...then there's accurate kicking for goal. Can SOS give us that? Is Lemmey a better option as a KPF than McMahon? No one knows, but McMahon looks miles ahead of Lemmey. Can McMahon be considered for an Intercept role?

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When other parts of his game get anywhere near the level of Cripps or Walsh, he can be in the same conversation. When fit, they're light years ahead of Jack Carroll.
The kicking efficiency stats are interesting. Statistically Jack Carroll may be a better kick but it comes down to where and how you're kicking the ball. Statistically Lewis Young has a higher disposal efficiency than Alex Cincotta this year but I doubt anyone really believes he is a better kick.

Time will tell. I suspect he won't be with us next year but it's all guess work for now.

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Not sure about Kennedy.

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I agree with you mate. The high level stats aren’t the be all to end all.

At the end of the day, I think he’s the player we’ll want in 12 months time & I’ll be playing every trick in hand to keep him. On the flip side, however, I don’t think we keep him for less than a three year offer & I can see why that’s not a hill the club is willing to die on.

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Filth drafted him as a forward, threw him back, then threw him out.

Time has done him the world of good, but I think he’s going to get offers as a forward.

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Liam was pick 31 in 2020. He's 22yo. Lemmey is 20. Both still young. Liam looks much better. Lemmey was pick 47, and 2cm taller than Liam.

Picked as a high jumping 194cm tall mobile KPF who has grown to 198cm player.
He looks light, maybe because of his growth spurt. I dunno. Maybe he could be better than Gov or Kemp in backline? Not too hard to do imo.

What I do see is a player who marks the ball at the highest point, who makes Mirkov look feeble with his efforts from 210cm standing, and Lemmey is not doing anything near McMahon's output imo. Obviously in the clubs opinion in the BnF, if that counts for anything. Doull won one of those.

He's under our nose. I'm sure Austin knows what needs to be known.

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If it were the other way around, and we were looking at Jack Martin, media would have us giving up a 2nd rnd. Sure everyone gets Carltons spoils for nothing.

Isn’t this hugely disrespectful by Martin given we are still playing finals?

Well, they did say he would be a test to play… and it’s not like there’s anyone at our joint to test him.

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No more disrespectful than the players we're talking to from finals teams.

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I find the "former number one pick for nothing" interesting. Are we that dumb to delist the guy?

Sorry - what am I saying. History SB, history....

i think it's the right move surrey. as a club we need to move on from martin's potential, and accept his body hasn't enabled him to play enough footy for us. maybe somewhere else he plays more, and if that's the case - it's more evidence the club made the wrong choice hanging onto russell as long as they did.

Whose to say we wont replace him with someone as good.
All they have to do is get selected when fit and they are ahead.

He's had 5 years and his body continues to fail him more and more...its a trend. The end is near.

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If a player is not offered a contract, Martin has not at this stage, then they can delist themselves and become a free agent.

Are you sure? I think he delisted himself before coming to us and wasn't a free agent. But you'd think if we weren't offering a deal we'd just delist him ourselves or trade for peanuts

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So what do clubs do if they want something for a player?

So he’s already delisted himself? Someone must have told him we’d never select him again even if we made the GF. Or maybe his injury is so bad it’s season ending.