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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:34 pm 
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@GWS, Vossy explicitly said Moir isn't ready for 4Q. Do you think he's playing mind games, or just being honest? I like him as a sub, I'd keep him in the role. Especially if Martin plays.


Really? I missed that, when did he say this?

I’d also prefer Moir to play a full game as I feel his upside and durability is better than Motlop or Durdin right now.


Yep. Vossy said it.

From what I've seen Moir is not ready for 4 quarters.

Despite being on the field for the game, he goes missing for long periods in the VFL.

I think Sub has suited him. He's been able to go 100% for 100% of the time he's been on.

One quarter; the LAST, has left a lasting impression he can do it for 4 quarters.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:37 pm 
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I can’t quantify it, but it seems to me that teams that win flags take more risks than we do.




my biggest grip is how risk adverse voss and Co are ... no dare. and when have done so (mostly forced upon bcos of injuries or chasing a game) we've looked good (that 9 game win streak last season, the last two games of this season).



Theres 2 sides of this argument. Which one do you agree with?

1. Continuity: Players playing with each other (same positions) on a regular basis (preferable weekly) to gain familiarity and synergy. Injury affects continuity.
2. Move the Magnets: Keep changing up the team in the hope it comes off. When it comes off...keep moving the magnets?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:47 pm 
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[Voss] honestly doesn’t have enough faith in kids or the courage to take an occasional risk with them.



Maybe he and the MC know what they are doing.

Binns, Moir, Lord have played 2 games each. Its not much of a sample size.

If you were Vossy and the MC going into a Final, would you go into a Final with these 3 or Martin, who has played at the highest level for a decade as a medium forward but only 2 games this year, or Williams, who has proven to be a dangerous small forward tis year, but missed last week, or Cerra who has played Finals, rated high in our BnF and had his hammy worked on for 5 weeks?

Its not an easy decision, but I'd go with proven players with experience in a Finals game. Do I lack courage, or am I risk averse in a do or die Final? I don't know, and I am me, so I'm not sure how accurate you are about Vossy's courage.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:49 pm 
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voss and co need to come up with something different may i suggest NO more F>>>>K bombs to the f50 for the 100th time.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 1:56 pm 
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The opposite of risk is safe, reliable, dependable

Based on our form, question marks over injured players, new players with no finals experience….we don’t have a baseline of reliability or dependability.

By definition anything we do is a risk

Vossy is an AFL coach…..as a juggler of balls he is a risk taker


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:47 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
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I can’t quantify it, but it seems to me that teams that win flags take more risks than we do.




my biggest grip is how risk adverse voss and Co are ... no dare. and when have done so (mostly forced upon bcos of injuries or chasing a game) we've looked good (that 9 game win streak last season, the last two games of this season).



Theres 2 sides of this argument. Which one do you agree with?

1. Continuity: Players playing with each other (same positions) on a regular basis (preferable weekly) to gain familiarity and synergy. Injury affects continuity.
2. Move the Magnets: Keep changing up the team in the hope it comes off. When it comes off...keep moving the magnets?



i don't know about any of that broader stuff.

what i see that's risk adverse is:

us using the boundary lines, long bombs to contests and slowing the play down (while all the other successful teams are speeding it up). i see us with a 25 pt lead, and go into our shells, slow playing the wings, rather then the run and dash and taking on the corridor that got us the lead in the first place. i see us having wild momentum shifts where we lost 30pts, 40pts (port and gws games) leads after the 1st qtr and watch them slowly erode for the other 3 qtrs not moving any magnets, not trying any other way of playing and reluctant to pull the trigger and try something. just anything.

for some reason, right or wrong, every time i watch these things within a season, it always reminds of that old saying. i'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.

in 25 years of bland, terrible CFC football; poor development and drafting, and woeful injury management, risk adverse coaching - many times losing the unloseable, or turning up thinking the win is already in the bag etc ... cfc are most definitely living on their knees, old bean.

it'd be great if that could change ... the signs were looking good after the prelim run last season. i guess, we're about to find out who we really are.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:06 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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[Voss] honestly doesn’t have enough faith in kids or the courage to take an occasional risk with them.



Maybe he and the MC know what they are doing.

Binns, Moir, Lord have played 2 games each. Its not much of a sample size.

If you were Vossy and the MC going into a Final, would you go into a Final with these 3 or Martin, who has played at the highest level for a decade as a medium forward but only 2 games this year, or Williams, who has proven to be a dangerous small forward tis year, but missed last week, or Cerra who has played Finals, rated high in our BnF and had his hammy worked on for 5 weeks?

Its not an easy decision, but I'd go with proven players with experience in a Finals game. Do I lack courage, or am I risk averse in a do or die Final? I don't know, and I am me, so I'm not sure how accurate you are about Vossy's courage.


It's not about suddenly dumping them all in for a final.

I'd just like to see them given more of a taste more frequently throughout the season. Some guys are just better at senior level where they're surrounded by better, more experienced players. Instead we leave them hanging out with a bunch of blokes most of whom can't get a senior game and many who never will.

Not all of them will come off and many won't be ready but how often do we have a young player (who wasn't a very high draft pick) come in and impact quickly?

Other clubs seem to do this better.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:08 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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[Voss] honestly doesn’t have enough faith in kids or the courage to take an occasional risk with them.



Maybe he and the MC know what they are doing.

Binns, Moir, Lord have played 2 games each. Its not much of a sample size.

If you were Vossy and the MC going into a Final, would you go into a Final with these 3 or Martin, who has played at the highest level for a decade as a medium forward but only 2 games this year, or Williams, who has proven to be a dangerous small forward tis year, but missed last week, or Cerra who has played Finals, rated high in our BnF and had his hammy worked on for 5 weeks?

Its not an easy decision, but I'd go with proven players with experience in a Finals game. Do I lack courage, or am I risk averse in a do or die Final? I don't know, and I am me, so I'm not sure how accurate you are about Vossy's courage.


It’s not an either/or decision.

If Williams and Martin are fit I’d go with them as they play what is our weakest position, plus our best and most consistent for that position (Owies) is definitely out. Motlop is very out of form and Durdin is injured.

Cerra has been poor all year and fragile so I’d be reluctant to risk him playing, especially as there are question marks over the fitness of Martin, Williams, Harry and Charlie. I’d rather play Lord who is fit and has had impact.

Binns is unlucky but may struggle with the step up in physical pressure of finals.

Moir is the wildcard, I’ve watched a lot of VFL and I haven’t seen him play any quarters of VFL at the same level he played his two at AFL level. Agree he maybe a liability over four quarters but he’s clearly stepped up his output at AFL level.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:03 pm 
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I don't think I've ever felt so uncertain about the selection of our lineup.
There is a strong argument to select Martin, Docherty and TDK however an equally strong argument on why they should be left out.
Do we keep Binns and Lord in the side and should Moir start the game or remain sub?
I really don't know.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:13 pm 
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Is Boyd the forgotten man in this conversation?

From memory his injury was listed as remainder of H&A season

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i think cowan has overtaken him?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 7:27 pm 
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london blue wrote:
The opposite of risk is safe, reliable, dependable

Based on our form, question marks over injured players, new players with no finals experience….we don’t have a baseline of reliability or dependability.

By definition anything we do is a risk

Vossy is an AFL coach…..as a juggler of balls he is a risk taker


When in doubt send out a fully fit side. West Coast had 6 top liners out in the 2018 GF but what they pit out there was fit. Don't go wrong doing that. I leave Lord, Binns and Moir (as sub) in. 4 obvious ones in, Harry, Charlie, Gov and Williams. Kemp as 3rd tall forward. That's enough. Had too long a trip back from Sweden yesterday to look for outs. Do that later. That or maybe just play 27, that'll get us a win...haha.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 7:27 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
Is Martin ready for 4Q?


2Qs and/or 2Hs

That's 2 Quads and 2 Hamstrings

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 7:32 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Winner of this game travels to Sydney to play the loser of Swans vs GWS.
Wrong side of the draw.


They both beat us the last two times we played them

I like that!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:15 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Winner of this game travels to Sydney to play the loser of Swans vs GWS.
Wrong side of the draw.


They both beat us the last two times we played them

I like that!!!


And after Sydney trip, we will probably be in Adelaide for Prelim.
Anyone - Anywhere, right?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:30 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Winner of this game travels to Sydney to play the loser of Swans vs GWS.
Wrong side of the draw.


They both beat us the last two times we played them

I like that!!!


And after Sydney trip, we will probably be in Adelaide for Prelim.
Anyone - Anywhere, right?
That's why I'll be barracking for Geelong on Thursday. But I'm getting way ahead of things there :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:39 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
Have you had 10 continuous years or did you take a year off in covid? I did, reckon that's why I missed out.


Yep, there through covid.

Anyway, function room offerings in the past have been not the most comfy so no big deal to find a good pub, I guess.

Was more looking forward to a repeat of an outdoor large screen mass attendance.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:42 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
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Prelim last year was a night game & they had us in the Legends Stand with multiple screens around the boundary line. Was a really impressive setup actually.

Surprised & more than a touch disappointed they're not doing the same for this. Maybe they will if we progress further into the finals?

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The prelim was a late arvo game - 5pm. Council can be real pricks for the sake of an hour or two.

Plus, it’ll be getting pretty wild this weekend - windy enough to knock cocky off his perch.


Just read this - makes sense. Still not impressed that they've managed to miss some members with the texts and emails.

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Max 29 degrees forecast for the Gabba next Sat. The Lions will be better acclimatised to the heat.

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I'm hoping this time next week we will all be feeling cock-a-hoop.
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