carntheblues wrote:
Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
well, well, well ... has anyone heard this?
seems outrageous.
Andrew Russell wrote:
"Unless 2 or 3 guys are going down with injuries at training, you're not training them hard enough. you just hope it's not your top 2 or 3 guys going down (laughs)"
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=896454612515703Russell said this early in the season.
We ran out of puff in last years Prelim.
I think everyone agreed it was obvious we needed to be fitter.
The only way to get fitter is to train a bit harder.He said it as it was. Its not news.
As for the laugh .. there's a fine line between pleasure amd pain.
Its ours and Russell's conundrum with all the injury prone players we have on our list.
I think Russell is an easy target. He's proven himself as a S&C guru with 4 AFL flags.
i don't agree. i don't think the contested, hot ball/ hunt ball, bash teams into submission game plan under voss was sustainable. espesh not over a 24 game season and finals.
we were fit. the gameplan wasn't.
what i will say is;
russell is using archaic methods. there's no secret there. some of our training and recovery protocols were 20 years old. in the afl's effort to make the game faster, and grounds with no mud/ high drainage, playing surfaces have gotten harder than they were 20 years ago. russell's methods didn't adapt to the game and afl direction.
everything is relative. you have to move with the times. russell was a dinosaur and what worked at hawks wasn't necessarily going to work a decade later with us. and history will prove it didn't. this 2024 season is and will be the one that got away due to injuries. that cruelled us and what could have been.
OK you have stated this as a fact. Please provide your source or evidence for this comment. And please don't insult my intelligence with a quoting of injuries. What i want is a detailed list of his archaic methods? A copy of a 20 year old protocol he is currently using would be good evidence.
i won't name the guy, but the ex physio for the brisbane lions (and now with tennis australia) is a good mate who used to play club and rep footy with Voss. we all grew up playing rep footy together & club footy against each other and we're still in contact. so, they all talk. my best mate is a private physio consultant for world surf league, nrl, english premier league and super 12 rugby, and he just happened to be on a plane back from WA last year after we played freo, and he watched the 20 year old protocols being rolled out by our rehab staff on the actual plane on 3 of our players.
there's been red flags for such a long time with HP dept. flogging players until they drop in the offseason, allowing players to overtrain (walsh is a big one here) and in injuries, green lighting them for training before the injury has healed & using protocols two decades old, that have since been proven not helpful.
and like BV suggests ... not only is there a duty of care to our players ... the players themselves lost trust in AR and his methods. players talk, players from other clubs talk even more.
the swans guy they appointed wasn't a fluke. we have guys on our list very close to swans players, and the contrast in the way the swans train and rehab to what we do, is night and day, and that's why we reached out to Inness.
the other guy we were chasing, i know... he was Joseph Coyne. a gun from the UFC, olympics, nrl and english premier league. But he wasn't in our soft cap budget.
Inness though, is a very good appointment and there's a handful of players that helped make it happen, so my guess is the clubhouse will be buzzing at this news and whatever happens saturday night ... they'll be really keen to start the preseason on a fresh slate! no one is happier than walsh, apparently, so take that for what it's worth?
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He had no idea she was even in hospital. Our players deserve better.
